Frustrated, edited, you may delete this if you want to.
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Ok, I deleted this text.
Yes, I am angry with this crap after wasting 2 days doing a fresh install and still having problems, yes, I am only a small SOHO user but I did donate when the paypal button was still there, I bought the Gold package to support the good cause, and I am frustrated that the crap doesn't work and admins don't respond very well to paying supporters.
Yet I deleted the previous text. I wasn't calling bad names or that, but I was expressing my frustration.
You may delete this whole thread if you want.
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Oh yes….I know the feeling :D
I run a virtual setup for the exact same cause using snapshots when playing around with stuff.
Its a nightmare and there is a lot more maintenance than on windows servers.
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Oh yes….I know the feeling :D
I run a virtual setup for the exact same cause using snapshots when playing around with stuff.
Its a nightmare and there is a lot more maintenance than on windows servers.
Thanks S-Mule :-*
I deleted the original text. Don't want to get banned, even 'though I wasn't bad naming.
I'm very frustrated about pfSense. Nothing works stable. And I have good hardware, advised by the great man on this forum who refuses me buying him a coffee for two years now.
Donated money three times, but it's problems every day. Hope to find something better some day :-[
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Have you tried OPN sense??
PfSense has been forked by some dutch dudes. Looks really sweet.
http://opnsense.org/
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Have you tried OPN sense??
PfSense has been forked by some dutch dudes. Looks really sweet.
I responded to that announcement thread by asking Gonzo if I could change my nick ;D ;D ;D
As 'Hollander' stems from 'Holland', a part of The Netherlands/The Dutch dudes, and I've had the pleasure of not having the pleasure to have been in contact with these guys in my early days of stepping into pfSense. Hence my question to Gonzo if I could change my nick :)
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SO since Holland is Netherlands and youre dutch then you must be Captain Nemo since 26% of the country is submerged :D
Do you know the OPN dudes or what? ;)
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SO since Holland is Netherlands and youre dutch then you must be Captain Nemo since 26% of the country is submerged :D
Do you know the OPN dudes or what? ;)
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Still amazed by the speed pic in your sig; you must be an internet backbone ;D
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Don't understand the bold part in the above, but that is my problem: Dutch, stupid by design ( :P )
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I don't know these guys personally, but I will share my experience: they offer 1 year warranty, more if you pay for it. Whereas EU mandatory laws are: 2 years minimum (and in the case of hardware, 5 years seems more appropriate, according to EU laws).
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When I told them about the EU-laws, they told me to go ….
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Yet they present themselves as 'proudly made in the EU' (with hardware from China, so assembled, as in: put a sticker on the box… in the EU).
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Suck in my next words.
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So that is why I asked Gonzo if I could change my nick: most Dutch are not of this kind, and I would like to keep a relatively good reputation over here ;D
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HAHAHAHAHAHA but arent they selling Netgate hardware in the shop???
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HAHAHAHAHAHA but arent they selling Netgate hardware in the shop???
I wouldn't know. But I do know their documentation is way way way beyond anything pfSense's wiki:
http://wiki.opnsense.org/index.php/Manual:Installation_and_Initial_Configuration
:-X
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HAHAHAHAHAHA but arent they selling Netgate hardware in the shop???
No, they are not. They're selling Alix boards and some Supermicro-based systems, but I anticipate that they'll be concentrating on their own stuff. e.g. https://www.applianceshop.eu/opnsense-a10-dual-core-desktop.html
That's never going to keep up with the new Netgate hardware on a performance basis, and at €399.00, (or €699.00 for this one, https://www.applianceshop.eu/opnsense-a10-quad-core-rack.html) well, I think it's … overpriced.
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I don't like certain kinds of people and 'businesses'.
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@Mr.:
I don't like certain kinds of people and 'businesses'.
Sorry, the minimum two-year guarantee only applies to consumers, see Directive 1999/44/EC. Actually, this minimum period is not even about warranty/guarantee. This minimum period covers conformity of the goods with the sale contract. Other than that, statutory warranties differ vastly among EU member states.
P.S. "As long as you are reasonable expected to use the product" is just nowhere to be found in EU legislation.
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@Mr.:
Oh yes….I know the feeling :D
I run a virtual setup for the exact same cause using snapshots when playing around with stuff.
Its a nightmare and there is a lot more maintenance than on windows servers.
Thanks S-Mule :-*
I deleted the original text. Don't want to get banned, even 'though I wasn't bad naming.
I'm very frustrated about pfSense. Nothing works stable. And I have good hardware, advised by the great man on this forum who refuses me buying him a coffee for two years now.
Donated money three times, but it's problems every day. Hope to find something better some day :-[
[/quote]I didn't see the original text. I doubt anyone has ever been banned that wasn't a response to spamming or being a complete assh***.
I run snapshots all the time. Of course, I know which ones are good. :-)
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Sorry, the minimum two-year guarantee only applies to consumers, see Directive 1999/44/EC.
You'r right ;D
I am a consumer.
Actually, this minimum period is not even about warranty/guarantee. This minimum period covers conformity of the goods with the sale contract.
I think that means warranty ;D
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
Other than that, statutory warranties differ vastly among EU member states.
P.S. "As long as you are reasonable expected to use the product" is just nowhere to be found in EU legislation.
And indeed here I might have mixed up: the rule I mentioned does apply in The Netherlands (so: on top of the EU-directive), and the UK has a same sort of ruling, I believe up to 5 years it was, not sure anymore. But I agree: apparently the 'warranty as long as the product is reasonably expected to work' (with depreciation for aging) is not in the EU-directive. Sorry :-[
Nevertheless: misleading [b]consumers, and, when they ask about the EU-directive, tell them to go … isn't exactly a pleasant business partner.
In the end, btw, if you offer 1 year warranty on hardware it could be an indicator (doesn't have to be, there are always exceptions). BMW offers 4 years on new and used cars (here at least), Pioneer gave me 5 years on their tv, HP and Intel give lifetime warranty on switches and NICs, Hyundai gives 7 years on cars. So 1 year might be an indicator :)
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@gonzopancho:
I run snapshots all the time. Of course, I know which ones are good. :-)
;D ;D ;D
???
That's one thing I wanted to learn too, how to do snapshot-fixes. Couldn't find any tutorial on that, and if it's possible to rollback etc. :-\
I mean, I've been in redmine from time to time to look at bugs, and then you see developers say 'fixed in 609495949594'. And then I move on to get coffee, as I have no idea how to get 609495949594 in my system ;D
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@Mr.:
Actually, this minimum period is not even about warranty/guarantee. This minimum period covers conformity of the goods with the sale contract.
I think that means warranty ;D
Not really.
Article 2/1
The seller must deliver goods to the consumer which are in conformity with the contract of sale.Article 3/1
The seller shall be liable to the consumer for any lack of conformity which exists at the time the goods were delivered.Article 5/1
The seller shall be held liable under Article 3 where the lack of conformity becomes apparent within two years as from delivery of the goods. If, under national legislation, the rights laid down in Article 3(2) are subject to a limitation period, that period shall not expire within a period of two years from the time of delivery.Article 5/3
Unless proved otherwise, any lack of conformity which becomes apparent within six months of delivery of the goods shall be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery unless this presumption is incompatible with the nature of the goods or the nature of the lack of conformity. -
@Mr.:
@gonzopancho:
I run snapshots all the time. Of course, I know which ones are good. :-)
;D ;D ;D
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That's one thing I wanted to learn too, how to do snapshot-fixes. Couldn't find any tutorial on that, and if it's possible to rollback etc. :-\
I mean, I've been in redmine from time to time to look at bugs, and then you see developers say 'fixed in 609495949594'. And then I move on to get coffee, as I have no idea how to get 609495949594 in my system ;D
https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Updating_pfSense_code_between_snapshots
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@Mr.:
In the end, btw, if you offer 1 year warranty on hardware it could be an indicator (doesn't have to be, there are always exceptions). BMW offers 4 years on new and used cars (here at least), Pioneer gave me 5 years on their tv, HP and Intel give lifetime warranty on switches and NICs, Hyundai gives 7 years on cars. So 1 year might be an indicator :)
One way or another, you're paying for that warranty.
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Have you tried OPN sense??
PfSense has been forked by some dutch dudes. Looks really sweet.
http://opnsense.org/
Hah! Wait, you know he was complaining about bugs, right? You know what they're shipping as a stable release right now? Basically 2.2 as of months ago. I haven't evaluated it closely enough to know what all they've changed, but from some brief checks I can tell you for sure they're shipping with bugs we've already fixed and the IPsec ones that are the major hold up preventing 2.2 release right now (though we're nearly through those). Things like multi-WAN IPsec not working, interoperability with Cisco ASA IPsec not working in many circumstances. They apparently don't have nearly the test environment we do internally, and don't have a great, large community helping them along with that. Point being, they've put out a stable release that would have a significant number of people here screaming about broken systems had we put out that release. Release engineering is easy when no one uses the software. When hundreds of thousands of systems are dependent on you to not screw it up, you have to take care. Things really are very well tested, especially on 2.2 at this point. Nothing's perfect, and we appreciate the community's help in tracking down issues.
Other forks have come and gone before, more will come and go in the future. It's hard to keep an open source project sustained, especially something as involved as we're dealing with here. We've proven for over 10 years that we can be successful at it, and continually improve and grow. And we'll keep on doing that.
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@Mr.:
admins don't respond very well to paying supporters.
We try to help as much as we can, especially those we recognize as contributors to the community, like yourself. Your issues tend to be so involved that it's hard to figure it out by back and forth on the forum. I'll PM you to arrange a remote session with me to get your issues taken care of.
Speaking in general, don't confuse professional services and commercial support with gold. Your needs tend to fall well into support territory. Had you been a support customer and opened a ticket, we'd have gotten you sorted out quickly. But you're talking about your home system only IIRC so support is prohibitively expensive. You've been a positive contributor to this community for some time, and I definitely value that. Most I'd have to refer to purchase support, as there just aren't enough hours in the day, but I'll make an exception here.