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      LukeCage last edited by

      i have this bug on getting snmp data from tnsr
      https://prnt.sc/26cwu9w

      i added screenshot

      do not have any problem on getting data from my other devices (juniper, cisco)

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        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate last edited by

        The screenshot just shows a traffic graph. What's the bug?

        What are you expecting to see and what isn't meeting that expectation?

        What is your SNMP configuration in TNSR? (You can omit the community name or anything else private)

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          LukeCage @jimp last edited by

          @jimp i can't get data correctlyfrom tnsr

          i added screenshots of my network all traffic

          all traffic goes from tnsr to Mikrotik device and traffic is the same on both devices

          tnsr: https://prnt.sc/26d0qx4
          mikrotik: https://prnt.sc/26d0r52

          my snmp conf;

          snmp community community-name snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf source x.x.x.0/24 security-name snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf
          snmp group group-name snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf security-name snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf security-model v2c
          snmp view view-name snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf view-type included oid .1
          snmp access group-name snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf prefix exact model any level noauth read snmpcommunitynamexadsfg3425gsdf write none

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            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @LukeCage last edited by

            So your issue/concern is 1 device is showing.

            1470mbps and the other is showing 1154mbps?

            Which is which, how exactly does that have to do with some snmp bug? What is the polling.. Just at a loss to what anyone could do with the info provided to even look at anything?

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              LukeCage @johnpoz last edited by

              @jimp data is corrupted

              not showing the data correctly
              well
              shows a little traffic shows a lot of traffic
              Exactly tnsr showing corrupted data

              All traffic coming from my upstream to tnsr and tnsr send all traffic to mikrotik

              Graph tnsr screenshot
              https://prnt.sc/26d1xzd

              Graph mikrotik screenshot
              https://prnt.sc/26d1xs1

              Note: tnsr sending all traffic to mikrotik both devices running same traffic

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @LukeCage last edited by johnpoz

                @lukecage And who says the mikrotik data is correct, maybe its off and the tnsr data is the correct numbers.

                Just at a loss to understand what you expect someone to do with some graphs? Ok not pulling numbers ok, but different values - which one is correct, or closer to correct. How do they average the data, what is the sample rate, etc.. I could see where you might have something to point out if one was showing gigs of data and the other was showing kbits, but one shows max 809 and other shows 701.. But what is the sample rate, is one doing 30 second average, the other doing 60 seconds, etc. Do you have a 3rd sample that corresponds to one of those, or how do you know they are both not wrong..

                its like you had a watch that said it was 11:59:00, and then you brought in 2nd watch is wrong because it says it 11:59:01 -- Who says the first watch time was correct in the first place?

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                  LukeCage @johnpoz last edited by

                  @johnpoz
                  Scanning interval same on both devices - 30 seconds

                  I can safely say to you, my traffic usage is progressing stability evening rush hour, I'm monitoring the traffic instantly from mikrotik gui(winbox) There is no 1 gbps difference in 30 seconds.

                  Dont have firewall rules or access lists on both device

                  Mikrotik snmp show stable traffic usage
                  https://prnt.sc/26d3muy

                  Tnsr snmp show unstable traffic usage
                  https://prnt.sc/26d3n9o

                  Traffic usage same on both devices
                  Tnsr sending all traffic to mikrotik device

                  Note:
                  I tried update prtg server
                  I tried change snmp community etc and restart service on tnsr side
                  I tried reboot tnsr
                  My problem is unresolved

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                    LukeCage last edited by

                    new screenshots

                    tnsr
                    https://prnt.sc/26d8kk1

                    mikrotik
                    https://prnt.sc/26d8knp

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                    • johnpoz
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @LukeCage last edited by

                      @lukecage still not seeing anything here other than a 2 watch problem.. Which one is correct?

                      Maybe your mikrotik smooths the data more than tnsr. Maybe its a difference in whatever your using to graph that, and its polling, or smoothing settings.

                      Even if using settings same, take reading every 2 seconds and average last 30 seconds.. if they are not looking at the data at exact same time your going to see differences..

                      If you don't like the data your seeing because it doesn't "match" up exactly with some other system doesn't mean there is a snmp bug.. These are 2 different systems.. 2 different OSes, 2 different nics I assume, 2 different drivers, etc. etc..

                      Looking at your graphs to me - just looking like one is smoothing more than the other. Or sample time slightly off.. I see increase in data that lines up with increase in data on the other one, I see area that could just be different smoothing applied

                      graphs.jpg

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                      • jimp
                        jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate last edited by

                        It could also be a difference in how the two handle the data. For example the Mikrotik may be taking longer to process things and queuing up traffic, where TNSR is pushing it out as soon as it gets it.

                        The totals are so close I find it hard to believe there is a problem with the data.

                        There are also statistics available via prometheus, which you could try logging instead of SNMP, to see if that makes a difference.

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                          LukeCage @johnpoz last edited by LukeCage

                          @johnpoz

                          still not seeing anything here other than a 2 watch problem.. Which one is correct?
                          mikrotik device showing true data

                          On the tnsr side, there are too many graphic defects

                          i tried to install a new tnsr and get data
                          dont have any problem https://prnt.sc/26d8tzs

                          why i living this problem my main tnsr router i dont know
                          https://prnt.sc/26d8ugs

                          both tnsr working on reading every 30 seconds

                          note: my traffic is progressing stable, as in the screenshot I mentioned on the tnsr side, there is an imbalance in my traffic.

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                            LukeCage last edited by LukeCage

                            i changed scanning interval on both devices

                            tnsr -> 30 seconds to 60 seconds
                            mikrotik 30 seconds to 5 seconds

                            i will share results with you in 40-50 minutes

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                              jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate last edited by

                              I'm not seeing any defects, just differences in how the traffic is being processed at higher volumes in your environment.

                              TNSR uses VPP which does vector processing which handles multiple packets at the same time, most other things process only one packet at a time (scalar processing). So it makes sense that it would handle large chunks of traffic at once (the peaks) as they come in.

                              https://wiki.fd.io/view/VPP/What_is_VPP%3F

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                                LukeCage @jimp last edited by LukeCage

                                @jimp

                                hello i found this problem
                                myby have rate limit on snmp

                                dont have any problem on 60 second scanning interval
                                https://prnt.sc/26d93l0

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                                  jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate last edited by

                                  Unlikely to be any kind of rate limit. That's just smoothing the peaks/valleys since you're sampling half as often.

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                                    LukeCage @jimp last edited by

                                    @jimp ah oky thanks
                                    this is what i needed

                                    Thank you very much for your interest
                                    @jimp @johnpoz

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                                    • jimp
                                      jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate last edited by jimp

                                      Also, not a rate limit per se but VPP only updates its counters every 10 seconds:

                                      https://docs.netgate.com/tnsr/en/latest/monitoring/interfaces.html#monitoring-interfaces

                                      It does that to minimize the load imposed on traffic processing by tracking statistics.

                                      So there could be a timing issue there, but again, it all evens out over time.

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                                        LukeCage @jimp last edited by

                                        @jimp Thank you sir

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