Discussion of the New GUI design
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@DominikHoffmann but the first screenshot is from Nexus, no? Or how do you activate it?
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@patient0: You activate Nexus in System → Advanced and then go to the normal URL for your gateway, but access it on Port 8443.
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@DominikHoffmann said in Discussion of the New GUI design:
@patient0: You activate Nexus in System → Advanced and then go to the normal URL for your gateway, but access it on Port 8443.
I do understand that, what I didn't realize was that that design was in question to replace the default. I assumed that Nexus is for Multi Instance Management only.
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@DominikHoffmann Whooaaa, there's a bombshell
We knew it was coming, but not that is has been there for a while and was considered for replacement of the old UI so fast (this year).
I'm a little baffled though.. it's not even a 26.07 thing from what I understand, so how does all packages handle the new UI? As I understand it, packages have PHP based management interfaces that integrate to the PHP UI. How is this handled?EDIT: Answering part of my own question: https://forum.netgate.com/topic/201056/netgate-nexus-gui-missing-haproxy-management
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On the device dashboard I get bombarded with "this function is restricted to licensed systems".
Also it doesn't look new to me, been there for a while. My log gets flooded with RFC1918 outbound as well, while Nexus is enabled, so I turned it off again.
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At times I access the gui from my smartphone, what does the smartphone version look like?
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@Bob.Dig I get "400 Netgate Nexus is not supported on this system". According to the docs there should be links to the GUI in settings if enabled -> not for me.
Do I really need firewall rules if I run it locally only?
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@DominikHoffmann said in Discussion of the New GUI design:
but access it on Port 8443.
well that could be problematic - I use 8443 for my normal gui, vs running it on 443
edit: ah you can easy change them
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This just looks like a reskin of the existing gui. I agree that it wastes too much space on nothing. I'm a second-class CE citizen so I don't have access to this, nor would I use it if I did. pfsense-dark is good enough for me which is good considering there are only 5 gui themes and 2 of them have been marked -BETA for what seems like years now.
Frankly, I find it amazing how so many open source projects (made by people in their spare time for free) have great, intuitive, modern guis whereas the ones made by paid professional developers look like something from 10-20 years ago. This isn't a specific knock against Netgate as so many other companies are also gui-challenged.
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Well...
The speed is welcome and responsive.
The waste of space on the dashboard is unwelcome. I want to get more stuff on my dashboard, not less, and this is a lot less than even now with the old GUI. I already don't see as much of the widget information the existing GUI as I would like. It's not much of a dashboard otherwise.
The traffic graph doesn't show any traffic other than nothing. The time moves by at the bottom, but otherwise nothing. I need to be able to sort or arrange the interfaces shown on the traffic graph pane. Right now it seems to be random. Not arranged in any discernible order. The pull down(s) should be sorted alpha-numeric too. They seem random as well.
Not all the widgets I currently have on my dashboard seem to be available.
I'd like to be able to hide the side bar automatically or manually for when the dashboard is being the dashboard and I'm just monitoring the network.
On the dashboard I'd like to hide the 'items per page' controls if unneeded. They're huge and if everything is displayed there's no purpose for them being there taking up space.
On widgets like the system pane, I'd like word-wrap to be an option instead of just a horizontal scrolling region. I don't want to have to right-scroll with a mouse in each window that's got data too wide for the widget. Cumbersome.
The top-menu functions are fast and familiar in layout. I appreciate that. And the configuration pages look good, although they also have too much wasteful white-space and fonts are too big. And I've got a 27" display...they just waste too much space and then require scrolling and leaving the home keys for the mouse all the time. Cumbersome.
Clearly the dashboard page is missing a ton of widgets right now. I'd need to see more and get the space issues fixed before commenting much more.
Performance is an improvement and it looks good, but compared to how Ubiquti's GUIs look it's not even close. Sorry; I imagine a lot of work went into this, but if the intent is to compete on this feature, it's not at that level. And it's difficult to imagine this is anywhere near taking over from the old GUI in five months.
Finally, don't disable or remove the old interface when deprecated.
I'm going to go turn the new one off again for now. It's not ready for daily driving.
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@Mission-Ghost
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What is annoying is this:
Note: Virtual machines as well as some third-party platforms may not support the new GUI due to missing machine information required to correctly run the software.I run pfSense Plus on various virtualized setups. In all my setups I know exactly what CPU I have in each hypervisor and what the CPU and NIC hardware acceleration features are ("cat /proc/cpu" etc). I baseline all my VMs to x86-64-v3 so they can be migrated to anywhere.
It feels patronising to not be told what features this new code requires from CPU, and possibly NIC. I understand that Netgate want to push their own hardware but c'mon - don't be like this.
I don't want to play Russian Roulette where a forced update to this new GUI somewhere down the line leaves my current pfSense installs inoperable, and Netgate won't even give me the info so I can research if my current gear is compatible or not. I'm currently conducting a network re-evaluation right now to see whether to continue on with pfSense, or move all sites over to UBNT UDM-Pro-Max's and UCG's, and this sort of stuff is not making the case for pfSense any better.
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@Gcon said in Discussion of the New GUI design:
this sort of stuff is not making the case for pfSense any better
Enshitification always gets worse, never better.
@netblues That's hilarious. Locking a gui behind drm.
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@KOM Well. after filling in a bogus serial number, it managed to start, but still see some errors.
Since this is an rc I would suggest adding a few lines of code, so when no serial is found, just use a default bogus one.
3 lines of code, maybe less.
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M marcosm moved this topic from webGUI
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Hi, what happends if Nexus i not activated? What GUI is active?
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@fireodo No worries.
Actually both the new and the old are working at the same time, just on different ports.
The new one is more or less experimental, it will take a few more releases to reach maturity, 4 sure. -
I was hoping to get people to provide some constructive input on specifics that could be changed in the new GUI, in order to make it better.
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@netblues said in Discussion of the New GUI design:
@fireodo No worries.
Actually both the new and the old are working at the same time, just on different ports.
The new one is more or less experimental, it will take a few more releases to reach maturity, 4 sure.Thanks for the clarification.
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