Rare gem - Celeron 1037u/8 x Intel 82583V/SFP/SIM/Sata3/mSata/CF/USB3/DC/PCIe8



  • The last thread got extremely popular and then got deleted (mod claimed it was done by "accident"), so here it is again, this time with even more info to cover the basic questions

    A rare gem appeared on Taobao: a $158 Celeron 1037u motherboard with 8 x Intel 82583V and the kitchen sink, all packed within 1U height.

    You can do A LOT OF MAGIC with these boards, and it'll cost you 5-10 times more to get the same functionalities the traditional way.

    The store has many years of experience in specialized network motherboards.
    Some of their older models (all with 6 x Intel 1000M Port): LGA1155/D2550/D525/LGA775

    8 Ports version with SFP

    Specs (8 Ports):
    230x230mm
    Intel Celeron 1037u
    Intel NM70 Chipset
    8 x Intel 82583V
    2 x SFP (Optional addon)
    1 x SIM Card slot
    2 x Mini-PCIe (for mSata and Wifi)
    2 x SATA2
    2 x SATA3
    6 x USB2 (on pins)
    2 x USB3
    2 x COM (1 in RJ45, 1 in pins)
    1 x 12v DC-in
    1 x 4pins ATX (for internal ATX PSU when not using DC power)
    1 x VGA (in pins)
    1 x PS/2

    Costs:
    US$158 - without  fibre optic addon
    US$207 - with fibre optic addon (the default price is for the non-SFP version, so to get the SFP version you have to ask your Taobao agent to tell the store you want the SFP module, and the store will update the price of the order from $158 to $207 and ship you the one with SFP)

    Link:
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=37403396507

    6 Ports version

    Specs (6 ports):
    180x200mm
    Intel 1037u
    Intel HM70 Chipset
    6 x Intel 82583V
    1 x DDR3 SO-DIMM 1333/1600 (Max 8GB single stick supported)
    2 x SATA2
    2 x SATA3
    1 x PCIe 8x
    2 x Mini-PCIe (For mSATA and WIFI)
    1 x SIM card slot
    1 x CF slot
    4 X USB2
    2 X USB3
    2 X COM (1 in RJ45, 1 in pins)
    1 x 12V 3A DC-in
    1 x 4pins ATX (for internal ATX PSU when not using DC power)
    1 x VGA (in pins)
    1 x PS/2
    1 x LPT

    Costs:
    US$142

    Link:
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=37384474246

    Update:
    Thanks to rjcrowder for the tip that you can buy from Taobao through Taobao agents:
    https://www.taobaoring.com (this is the one rjcrowder used)
    http://taobaofocus.com

    What is Taobao?:
    If you are wondering what Taobao is, then you've been missing out:
    Forbes - 10 Reasons Why Alibaba Blows Away Amazon And EBay



  • Very nice for some dedicated router boxes :)


  • Netgate Administrator

    Do you have any dimensions for this? Is it a standard format, like miniITX?

    Steve

    Edit: Typo



  • Even pins for an LPT port, this motherboard has everything! I wonder what the power usage is like?



  • I wondered if this was related to Alibaba. I heard about them years ago and found you could get some really good deals there (had minimum order quantities as that site was mainly geared towards bulk orders by resellers IIRC).

    I too am very curious if this will fit in a standard case, does it come with an IO shield or even have ATX/ITX pattern mounting holes for standard cases? I know from the first thread they sell rack mount cases and those look good but as you mentioned there, shipping may be an issue. I've got 3x 4U cases I could mount one of these in but only if it uses a standardized mounting pattern (though I'd prefer something smaller like the 1U case they sell).



  • @stephenw10:

    Do you have any dimensions for this? IS it a standard format, like miniITX?

    Steve

    Looks like no.  The mechanical drawing shows that hole-to-hole (term used loosely, there is no mounting point in the one corner) it's 195x214mm.



  • @Jason:

    @stephenw10:

    Do you have any dimensions for this? IS it a standard format, like miniITX?

    Steve

    Looks like no.  The mechanical drawing shows that hole-to-hole (term used loosely, there is no mounting point in the one corner) it's 195x214mm.

    You are correct. The edge to edge size of the 8p version is 230x230mm, the 6p version is 180x200mm.

    I've updated the specs with the mechanical drawings and dimensions.



  • I see they have 1u cases that fit this board. Is there a link for the whole package??


  • Netgate Administrator

    Ah, I don't see the cases. I can only see a link to the six port case.
    I guess shipping on a complete 1U server would be substantially more that just the board.
    Seriously tempting though.  :)

    Steve



  • Just registered on the site to say that I did order one of these through TaoBao and they ship to the USA.  You can also use them for payment through paypal :)

    Hopefully this will make a nice PFSense Router!



  • @JoelC707:

    I wondered if this was related to Alibaba. I heard about them years ago and found you could get some really good deals there (had minimum order quantities as that site was mainly geared towards bulk orders by resellers IIRC).

    I too am very curious if this will fit in a standard case, does it come with an IO shield or even have ATX/ITX pattern mounting holes for standard cases? I know from the first thread they sell rack mount cases and those look good but as you mentioned there, shipping may be an issue. I've got 3x 4U cases I could mount one of these in but only if it uses a standardized mounting pattern (though I'd prefer something smaller like the 1U case they sell).

    Stores on Taobao often intentionally leave out details on new and rare items to avoid leaking information to their competitors, Taobao is more of a chat-before-you-buy service than those click-and-it-is-done services such as Amazon and eBay.

    Those guys are motherboard specialists with their own factories, they also make OEM boards for global brands, so when you buy from them you are buying directly from the source and they're still making the same amount of profit per board, if not more.

    On their store they even claim they can make customized boards just for you if your order is large enough, they are very flexible on specs, so for the 1U cases I am sure if you ask your Taobao agent to forward your requirements to the store (case for which board/how many fans/wifi holes/fibre optics holes/etc), you'll have no problem getting whatever you want. The cases themselves are very cheap (around US$15-20 without fans), but the shipping will cost more than that.

    The details on 1u cases are much more clear on older models, you can get some idea of what kind of cases you'll be getting from those pages:

    1U case with 6 Ports LGA1155:
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17769266741



    The description states that this 390mm case with 2 extra holes for fibre optics costs US$14:


    1U case with 6 Ports D2500:
    This page even states it supports pfSense, and that you have to tell them if you want fans or not with the case:
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17782125410




  • @PeteJM:

    Just registered on the site to say that I did order one of these through TaoBao and they ship to the USA.  You can also use them for payment through paypal :)

    Hopefully this will make a nice PFSense Router!

    That is good news, we look forward to your review.  :)



  • @DragonPF:

    @PeteJM:

    Just registered on the site to say that I did order one of these through TaoBao and they ship to the USA.  You can also use them for payment through paypal :)

    Hopefully this will make a nice PFSense Router!

    That is good news, we look forward to your review.  :)

    Well, I hope they are able to ship it as the title states with the 2x SFP+ ports.  Would be quite nice to be able to decouple my network from copper.



  • @PeteJM:

    @DragonPF:

    @PeteJM:

    Just registered on the site to say that I did order one of these through TaoBao and they ship to the USA.  You can also use them for payment through paypal :)

    Hopefully this will make a nice PFSense Router!

    That is good news, we look forward to your review.  :)

    Well, I hope they are able to ship it as the title states with the 2x SFP+ ports.  Would be quite nice to be able to decouple my network from copper.

    That doesn't sound very confident, which Taobao agent did you use? There are 2 models with different prices, did you ask your Taobao agent to get the one with SFP? If you used the same Taobao agent as the one rjcrowder used, the agent will send you a photo of the item before shipping it to you, if you got the wrong one you still have time to send it back for the SFP version before the agent ship it to you internationally.

    Update:
    I just checked the sales history on the page, there were 2 recent orders of ¥988 ($158), but the one with SFP module costs ¥1288 ($207), you must ask your agent to return it for the SFP version, you still have time to do so before they ship internationally.



  • @DragonPF:

    The cases themselves are very cheap (around US$15-20 without fans), but the shipping will cost more than that.

    The details on 1u cases are much more clear on older models, you can get some idea of what kind of cases you'll be getting from those pages:

    1U case with 6 Ports LGA1155:
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=17769266741

    Cases are $15-20? That's ridiculously cheap.

    Looking at this 1155 based setup, I see the overall assembly is $297.23. The board indicated installed in it appears to be this: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.es7kIC&id=17781937715 and comes up to $154.24. That still leaves $142.99 unaccounted for. I'm having difficulty getting the page translated but it appears that $300 price also includes the PSU, 2GB of RAM and a 4GB SSD and a 4/8GB SSD (I think one of them is supposed to be a CF card). Am I reading that right? It looks like it's still missing the CPU but there appear to be options that include a CPU ranging from an i3 to an i7 and topping out at $639.44.

    Gonna go grab Chrome again and see if the enbedded translation works cause Google Translate isn't :)



  • @JoelC707:

    Cases are $15-20? That's ridiculously cheap.

    Looking at this 1155 based setup, I see the overall assembly is $297.23. The board indicated installed in it appears to be this: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.es7kIC&id=17781937715 and comes up to $154.24. That still leaves $142.99 unaccounted for. I'm having difficulty getting the page translated but it appears that $300 price also includes the PSU, 2GB of RAM and a 4GB SSD and a 4/8GB SSD (I think one of them is supposed to be a CF card). Am I reading that right? It looks like it's still missing the CPU but there appear to be options that include a CPU ranging from an i3 to an i7 and topping out at $639.44.

    Gonna go grab Chrome again and see if the enbedded translation works cause Google Translate isn't :)

    Yes, considering many other stores on Taobao are selling full length 1u cases with 4 fans for US$29:
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=15750434246
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=10106292583
    http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=23059416160

    A half length 1u case for US$15 sounds about right.

    The 1155 setup has many options with different prices, here is the translation for the US$297 option:

    ¥1850 (US$297)
    No CPU
    Pure copper fans (30% more copper than average on the market)
    2G DDR3 Memory
    4G SSD (Can pay extra for other models)
    6 x Intel 82583V
    200W PSU (Multiple options, all Taiwan brands, such as FSP/SPI/Enhance/CWT, more power than some 250w PSU)
    1U Case with dust filter.
    Firewall software of your choice, free.

    There are 3 more options with different prices, basically the more you pay the more you get. When shopping for hardware on Taobao, you don't have to follow their offers, just tell them what components you want and if they have it, they'll give you a quote, Taobao stores are very flexible.



  • Thanks, I got Chrome to translate the pages afterall and have been browsing the site. Any idea on shipping costs? I know the cases will cost more for shipping just due to their physical size (dimensional weight charges, large package charges, etc.).



  • @JoelC707:

    Thanks, I got Chrome to translate the pages afterall and have been browsing the site. Any idea on shipping costs? I know the cases will cost more for shipping just due to their physical size (dimensional weight charges, large package charges, etc.).

    Unfortunately no, I don't know the shipping costs, but I am sure those Taobao agents can help you with that.

    By the way I still recommend buying other components locally, hardware does fail sometimes (see the large number of DOA reviews on Newegg for all kinds of components), international RMA is not fun.

    The best choice seems to be just buying the motherboard, and maybe the case, half length 1U cases with only a board in it shouldn't be too expensive to ship (at least not anywhere as ridiculously expensive as a 2U full length case with HDD and PSU in it).



  • Just to chime in briefly,

    I stumbled on a different option sorta similar to the 6 port card but this is sold shipped in a case with PSU. There is also options for with ram + CF/SSD:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Intel-c1037u-dual-core-platform-six-Gigabit-LAN-82583v-RouterOS-Mikrotik-PFSense-Panabit-Wayos-softing-router/800900_1796134449.html

    This is also direct from china, aliexpress is so far as i understand the "international" version of Taobao.



  • @ajdane:

    Just to chime in briefly,

    I stumbled on a different option sorta similar to the 6 port card but this is sold shipped in a case with PSU. There is also options for with ram + CF/SSD:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Intel-c1037u-dual-core-platform-six-Gigabit-LAN-82583v-RouterOS-Mikrotik-PFSense-Panabit-Wayos-softing-router/800900_1796134449.html

    This is also direct from china, aliexpress is so far as i understand the "international" version of Taobao.

    Good find, Aliexpress is another interface for Alibaba, which actually existed before Taobao, the founder of Taobao first founded Alibaba to help manufacturers in China and businesses around the world find each other to trade in bulk. It was after Alibaba became somewhat successful that he founded Taobao, which focused on the domestic market and had since grown much bigger than the original Alibaba.

    The item you linked to has a brand on it, that means it has either passed through 1 or 2 middlemen, or the brand is one of the many different faces of the same factory.

    The package on Aliexpress costs $246, it includes a 6 port motherboard (the same in the first post that costs $142), a case ($15), leaving $89 for the a 100W PSU. So there is a $50 (or 25%) markup compared to Taobao prices, but it lets you communicate to the seller directly in English, it could be a good option for some who would be paying the extra cost for Taobao agents anyway, less middleman means less chance for things to go wrong.

    The great thing about your link is that it provides shipping costs for a Board+Case+PSU package:
    Fedex US$78.69 (3-7 Days)
    DHL US$80.69 (3-7 Days)
    EMS US$85.85 (5-15 Days)

    Thanks for the link, it gave people a better idea of the total cost.  :)



  • Another link, this is for the shipping calculator at a taobao agent.

    https://www.taobaoring.com/calc.php



  • These devices look awesome :) thanks, i've bookmarked



  • I love a site full of forked pfSense sold on cheap hardware.

    It's even better that the book is ripped off all over taobaoring.



  • @gonzopancho:

    I love a site full of forked pfSense sold on cheap hardware.

    It's even better that the book is ripped off all over taobaoring.

    No comments on the boards themselves? I think these look really great. Maybe try one out, bulk order and sell with pfSense installed from the webstore.



  • We're ordering a couple to eval.

    We're … experienced importing things direct from China by the pallet.

    I don't see any Avoton / Rangeley boards though.



  • I tried getting an 8x lan board through the taobaoring agent. apparently they are out of stock  :)



  • See: "loss leader".  :-)



  • This is definitely the case here  :D  ;D



  • @gonzopancho:

    I love a site full of forked pfSense sold on cheap hardware.

    It's even better that the book is ripped off all over taobaoring.

    To be honest i wouldn't touch any software that came with one of these devices with a 2 parsec long pole.

    I'm worried enough over wether i can trust the hardware. I'm sure as s*** not going to stick it anywhere near prod without some very serious vetting.



  • Fdisk is definitely the order of the day with the supplied software. Being in Europe ,the official pfsense store alas is not a financially viable option



  • @josefius:

    Fdisk is definitely the order of the day with the supplied software. Being in Europe ,the official pfsense store alas is not a financially viable option

    Alas I am in the same situation.



  • it's being fixed.



  • I will be happy to use it once it is in place and will definitely  recommend  to people.  A soho solution where both hardware and software have been tested by you will always be a good proposition .  8)
    @gonzopancho:

    it's being fixed.



  • I ordered one of the two port 1037u aluminum boxes through taobaoring.com. I haven't gotten it yet, but just got the second bill for shipping… Nearly $50 The total for the box with shipping is a little over $170. That's not a bad price if it's as nice as it looks like it should be, but it's pretty steep on shipping. I''ll certainly look into bulk purchase/ship if I get very many of these...



  • Anyone receive and try it out yet?



  • Very interesting find.  I'd be curious myself how well these boards are made and reliability.  If these things are under $400 complete with RAM and processor it would be a steal.  Just will be lacking wireless capability but it's not a show stopper.



  • I want one!

    Only one question: can i push a full Gbps through this board? I had thought that pfsense requires around a 3Ghz CPU to do that.

    Thanks!


  • Netgate Administrator

    I suspect that these will be on the edge of Gigabit capable, or capable but not with any additional loading. The 3GHz requirement was based on the Intel Netburst microarchitecture, for example a P4@2.8GHz could get close given the right NICs. (800Mbps in this test).
    The 1037U is ~50% faster that a P4-2.8 in a single thread rating but much faster overall.

    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1988&cmp[]=1072
    

    Damn URL is not compatible with SMF.  ::)

    Steve



  • The two port aluminum 1037u box arrived last week… It's been setup and running at my house for about a week with no problems. I had to play around a little bit to figure out how to get it to boot off of USB - but it was just my lack of knowing what to pick in the BIOS.

    Observations so far:
    1.) Impressed with the build quality. Only thing wrong was that a couple of the screw holes were a little "rough".
    2.) BIOS has more options than I've ever seen before. Not sure all the BIOS options work, but if they do, you could do about anything...
    3.) Came with all of the cables, mounting hardware for the drive, power supply, etc.
    4.) Runs around 45-50 Celsius
    5.) Draws around 16 or 17 watts with an SSD installed.
    6.) Only has one memory slot (I installed a 2G stick).
    7.) Realtek NIC's - pfSense recognized them no problem and no issues so far.

    All-in-all, it's a really nice little box... We'll see if I have any long-term problems...

    Not sure how much bandwidth you can get through... I max at 30Mbps down for my internet connection, so it's more than fine for me. BTW, there is a seller on Aliexpress that has these same boxes in multiple configs. You can get one shipped with 1-4G ram and a small hard drive or SSD (probably junk SSD though)  for $170 - $220 or so.



  • I should be getting one of these in soon, my fiance is Chinese and she is helping me order one.  :)

    If they work out well i can pick up a couple and post them on ebay to make it way easier for non-Chinese speakers to buy them.


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