How to block in Windows10 Telemetry with pfsense
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some people want to block everyhing because MS can deliver an "security update" that will install telemetry and also use update hosts to get data from computer so this way is better, at least for me to have updates (allow only updates-block everything).
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I still don't see how this is a good solution. Are you literally whitelisting every destination address you want access to and blocking everything else on the Internet? Because MS can spin up a zillion new domains on a whim.
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MS can do whatever they want, but they must be able to make your computer to talk with any new domains ( and they can do this only with an allowed to install update ).
If now you block the telemetry C&C servers, there is no other way your computer will know to talk with new domains until you will install that update.This is what we have for now, if we have another better way please elaborate ( except unplug the cable, stop using MS OS… ).
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yes it looks ok.
It's not ok as per your description, because it's a pass rule, not a block rule.
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@KOM:
yes it is required because other way update destinations will be blocked from Blocked rule that have these destinations included in case you don't want to allow update.
Huh? Windows Update domains shouldn't be included in your telemetry alias.
Which are the Windows Update domains, btw?
I found these:
windowsupdate.microsoft.com update.microsoft.com windowsupdate.com download.windowsupdate.com wustat.windows.com ntservicepack.microsoft.comAre there any others?
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Setup a WSUS server, whitelist that to talk to Microsoft, and block all clients?
I'm torn between Linux and FreeBSD. Linux has better Steam support, but a lot of stuff is being done in FreeBSD to increase comparability. ZFS and Jails are very attractive, even on a desktop.
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Whenever I have the choice, M$-shyt has been replaced by opensuse or PC-BSD (the later has a steeper learning curve and is not so well supported, but is free of systemd). Big plus: you can both run with KDE desktop, which made it much easier to switch between these two, and btw the handling is not sooo far away from Windows xp/7…
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PS: Here
http://techne.alaya.net/?p=12499
you can find a long list of IPs and host names to block for Windows telemetry.
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…just for the record:
I uninstalled on Win 7 pro 64/32 (various computers) the following KBs:
97 1033
290 2907
295 2664
299 0214
302 1917
302 2345
303 5583
304 4374
305 0265
306 2345
306 5987
306 8708
307 5249
307 5851
308 0149
308 3325and in addition I set up a block rule with loggin for an alias containing all the IPs and host names listed here
http://techne.alaya.net/?p=12499
As you might expect, the firewall log is full of blocked "MS telemetry" this morning.
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…just to add:
Had my PC-BSD 10 PC up today for updating. Really amazing, I found in the firewall logs repeated access of this computer to an IP blocked for MS Telemetry.
WHAT has PC-BSD with MS-Telemetry in common? Or is it more correctly NSA telemetry featured by Microshyte?
I'm surprised!
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That IP address is a-msedge.net and it takes you to Bing.
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So basically you think it's Firefox? But I have no Bing (removed it from search options in Firefox), I use no Bing, I've never been there in my whole live… Firefox was running in PRIVATE mode all the time btw...
So: why does my OS/Browser try to contact OVER AND OVER AGAIN something I've never asked to contact? Things are not really getting better at this point...
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No idea.
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…sometimes I really think about starting a 24/7 wireshark session on all networks... storage space is so cheap nowadays. How about an integration into pfSense?
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How about an integration into pfSense?
pfSense already has a Capture Packet function. You want Wireshark??
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But is 24/7 feasible on an embedded nano? Not really, I guess. Maybe I set up a Linux machine and start copying the whole internet traffic…
But overall: This story really frustrates me...
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Wireshark is just a GUI to pcap data, you wouldn't run that on the firewall given it has no X and will never have X. You can feed Wireshark over SSH, or run tcpdump on the firewall dumping to disk if you have plenty of disk space.
It's extremely unlikely PCBSD is communicating with anything to do with Microsoft. Whatever telemetry blocking list you have is way over-blocking I expect. It also seems to block critical portions of Windows update, which is likely the bulk of the attempts you're seeing.
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@cmb:
Whatever telemetry blocking list you have is way over-blocking I expect. It also seems to block critical portions of Windows update, which is likely the bulk of the attempts you're seeing.
Yes. Things like HPHosts that block this without thinking break Windows updates.
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Nope, Windows update just works fine on the Win-machines in the network, no problem at all.
But please, it's the local IP of my PC-BSD 10 running on an old Dell Precision 670, no question about that. No Windows involved. No software other than Firefox was running a the time of the blockings in the firewall log. And the log is FULL of these blocks.
I REALLY have no idea what is going on here…
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And you're sure that this PC-BSD box isn't running a browser that is trying to talk to Bing, for whatever reason? Otherwise, I really can't see a *BSD distro needing to talk to Microsoft for anything.
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What could make Firefox with No-script in private mode make talk to Bing, except using Bing, is this the question? Honestly, I don't know!
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Perhaps it's a beacon or something on some page you were on that it talking to Bing? Some other plugin you're running? I have no idea either, just wild guesses.
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… no further plugins, except Cipherfox... ;-)
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…btw, I did it in the past, with 2 bridged network adapters catch whole internet traffic with wireshark. Is it better to do it on the WAN or on the LAN interface of the pfSense?
On the WAN side the local IP the traffic is comming from should gone, right?
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Full of blocks to where? What IP(s)? PCBSD runs from a CDN, which might also host any number of other completely unrelated things. Doubt if Microsoft is among those as I believe they use akamai, but knowing list maintainers' penchant for over-blocking, it wouldn't be surprising if they blocked an entire CDN.
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The specific IP in the post above, same IP again and again.
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:-\Hi,
I tried to follow these instructions but pfsense is not allowing me to save these hosts as an alias or under any other type. Here is a snapshot of what I am doing https://imgur.com/XpW9uI8
I would also like to block incoming tor exit nodes and I dont see any easy way to add the hundreds of IP's, does anyone know how that can be done on the command line?
Can you kindly tell me the correct way to do this or how I can do it on the command line?
Thanks!
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The name of the alias may only consist of the characters "a-z, A-Z, 0-9 and _"
You can embed images directly here. No need to link to Imgur.
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@KOM:
The name of the alias may only consist of the characters "a-z, A-Z, 0-9 and _"
Ok fine but how do I add all these urls?
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Make an URL alias.
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@KOM:
Make an URL alias.
That provides the same error and this:
The following input errors were detected:
The alias name must be less than 32 characters long, may not consist of only numbers, and may only contain the following characters a-z, A-Z, 0-9, _.
You must provide a valid URL. Could not fetch usable data from 'vortex.data.microsoft.com'. -
Well, considering I have no idea what you've done, all I can say is that it works fine for me and others. Perhaps if you posted some actual useful information about your configuration, we might be able to help you.
An URL Alias is just an URL that points to a file on a web server, and pfSense will load that alias with the content of the text file.
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@KOM:
Make an URL alias.
That provides the same error and this:
The following input errors were detected:
The alias name must be less than 32 characters long, may not consist of only numbers, and may only contain the following characters a-z, A-Z, 0-9, _.
You must provide a valid URL. Could not fetch usable data from 'vortex.data.microsoft.com'.Sorry here is another example:
https://imgur.com/2R0sYVW
I did some searching for where pfsense stores those files on the server but have not been able to find it, any idea?
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Don't. Use. SPACE. In. The. Name!
(Block MS Telemetry = wrong, Block_MS_Telemetry = correct) :-D
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Don't. Use. SPACE. In. The. Name!
(Block MS Telemetry = wrong, Block_MS_Telemetry = correct) :-D
Ahh. That helped thanks. I changed the type to hosts and it works now, cheers!
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Is there a way to block more than 5000 hosts in a single alias or rule? Intending to block inbound tor exit nodes and I think the list is 7000 IP's. Maybe on the command line alias file?
Thanks!
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Tried Snort (on LAN interface) ? Afaik if blocks contacts to TOR servers (have seen it in my Snort alerts), no idea how up-to-date the list of servers is…
btw., how about a new thread, this all here is miles OT.... ;-)
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to block telemetry in a single PC use DWS_lite
Open source,code on github.https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/bf600fc1517f65f15f4e174087759973837cfe99e419f2c52f6d248dee6eb72f/analysis/1449685802/
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying/blob/master/DWS
string[] ipAddr = { "111.221.29.177", "111.221.29.253", "131.253.40.37", "134.170.30.202", "134.170.115.60", "134.170.165.248", "134.170.165.253", "134.170.185.70", "137.116.81.24", "137.117.235.16", "157.55.129.21", "157.55.133.204", "157.56.121.89", "157.56.91.77", "168.63.108.233", "191.232.139.254", "191.232.80.58", "191.232.80.62", "191.237.208.126", //"204.79.197.200", // BING.COM "207.46.101.29", "207.46.114.58", "207.46.223.94", "207.68.166.254", "212.30.134.204", "212.30.134.205", "23.102.21.4", "23.99.10.11", "23.218.212.69", "64.4.54.22", "64.4.54.32", "64.4.6.100", "65.39.117.230", "65.52.100.11", "65.52.100.7", "65.52.100.9", "65.52.100.91", "65.52.100.92", "65.52.100.93", "65.52.100.94", "65.52.108.29", "65.55.108.23", "65.55.138.114", "65.55.138.126", "65.55.138.186", "65.55.252.63", "65.55.252.71", "65.55.252.92", "65.55.252.93", "65.55.29.238", "65.55.39.10", "191.232.139.2", "64.4.23.0-64.4.23.255", "111.221.64.0-111.221.127.255", // singapure "157.55.235.0-157.55.235.255", "157.55.56.0-157.55.56.255", "157.55.52.0-157.55.52.255", "157.55.130.0-157.55.130.255", "65.55.223.0-65.55.223.255", "213.199.179.0-213.199.179.255", // Ireland "195.138.255.0-195.138.255.255", "23.223.20.82", // cache.datamart.windows.com "77.67.29.176", // NEW TH2 Spy IP "157.56.124.87", // NEW TH2 Spy IP "157.55.236.0-157.55.236.255", // NEW TH2 SPY IP "104.96.147.3", "23.57.107.27", "23.57.107.163", "23.57.101.163", "2.22.61.43", "2.22.61.66", "65.39.117.230", "23.218.212.69", "134.170.30.202", "137.116.81.24", "157.56.106.189", "204.79.197.200", "65.52.108.33" };string[] hostsdomains = { "statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net", "fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net", "s0.2mdn.net", "survey.watson.microsoft.com", "view.atdmt.com", "watson.microsoft.com", "watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com", "vortex.data.microsoft.com", "vortex-win.data.microsoft.com", "telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com", "telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "oca.telemetry.microsoft.com", "sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com", "sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "watson.telemetry.microsoft.com", "watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "redir.metaservices.microsoft.com", "choice.microsoft.com", "choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com", "services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com", "sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com", "telemetry.microsoft.com", "telemetry.appex.bing.net", "telemetry.urs.microsoft.com", "telemetry.appex.bing.net:443", "settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com", "watson.live.com", "statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com", "corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com", "compatexchange.cloudapp.net", "a-0001.a-msedge.net", "sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net", "diagnostics.support.microsoft.com", "corp.sts.microsoft.com", "statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com", "feedback.windows.com", "feedback.microsoft-hohm.com", "feedback.search.microsoft.com", "rad.msn.com", "preview.msn.com", "ad.doubleclick.net", "ads.msn.com", "ads1.msads.net", "ads1.msn.com", "a.ads1.msn.com", "a.ads2.msn.com", "adnexus.net", "adnxs.com", "az361816.vo.msecnd.net", "az512334.vo.msecnd.net", "ssw.live.com", "ca.telemetry.microsoft.com", "i1.services.social.microsoft.com", "i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "df.telemetry.microsoft.com", "reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com", "cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net", "vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com", "oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "pre.footprintpredict.com", "spynet2.microsoft.com", "spynetalt.microsoft.com", "fe3.delivery.dsp.mp.microsoft.com.nsatc.net", "cache.datamart.windows.com", "db3wns2011111.wns.windows.com", // NEW TH2 spy hosts //"deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com", //"akamaitechnologies.com" "settings-win.data.microsoft.com", "v10.vortex-win.data.microsoft.com", "win10.ipv6.microsoft.com", "ca.telemetry.microsoft.com", "i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net" };Windows Update is not blocked !!!
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Hi, any details where this list comes from?
