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Replacing VLAN switch in router on a stick configuration

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    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
    last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 3:21 PM

    Does your 105eV4 allow you to remove vlan 1 from the ports you have put in other vlans? You set the pvid on the ports?

    So its still leaking vlan traffic across, be it multicast or broadcast?

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      airlab @johnpoz
      last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

      @johnpoz It allows me to remove ports from being a member on vlan 1. I also have the PVID set for each port.
      How can I check if it is leaking?

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        JKnott @airlab
        last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

        @airlab said in Replacing VLAN switch in router on a stick configuration:

        The 5 port model is the TL-SG105E v4 and the 16 port model is the TL-SG1016PE v1

        If that 16 port switch uses the same software as the V1 5 port, it has the problem. Hopefully they got it fixed with V4.

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          airlab @JKnott
          last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 3:44 PM

          @JKnott Ah good to know. It's going back to the store today. any recommendations for a similar capacity switch that does VLAN properly? I need at least 9 ports and 4 of them POE. I also don't want a rack mount type switch due to space. How are the netgear managed switches?

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            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 3:49 PM

            poe or poe+ how many watts?

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              JKnott @airlab
              last edited by JKnott Jan 25, 2020, 3:51 PM Jan 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

              @airlab

              A few months ago, I bought a Cisco SG200-08, but it's only 8 ports.

              Essentially, you can buy whatever switch you want, as I've only heard of this problem with TP-Link.

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by johnpoz Jan 25, 2020, 4:01 PM Jan 25, 2020, 3:59 PM

                Yeah I have only ever seen this problem on the tplink stuff.. I have some lowend netgear and dlinks - and they handle vlans correctly. So really anything should work - seems your requirement of poe would be the limiting factor in your choices.

                There are a lot of different things involved with poe.. is it af or at, or the new bt.. Or are your devices using some odd passive setting with specific voltage requirements. And then what is the total wattage your poe devices are going to require... its possible that switch might have your needed 4 poe ports, but not be able to supply the total wattage across these ports that your devices want/need.

                What are the specific device(s) your wanting to use poe for?

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                  airlab @johnpoz
                  last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 4:09 PM

                  @johnpoz @JKnott

                  Ah okay so its more that tp link stuff is bad not that in general cheaper switches are bad.
                  I have 2 unifi AP AC pros which draw 9W max each, a unifi cloud key, and one unifi AP AC lite which maxes out at 6.5W. they use poe af.

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                    last edited by johnpoz Jan 25, 2020, 4:16 PM Jan 25, 2020, 4:15 PM

                    @airlab said in Replacing VLAN switch in router on a stick configuration:

                    AP AC lite

                    How old is that model, have you validated it what poe it does, they use to sell those with only 24v passive poe support..

                    Here is some info
                    https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/76l762/8023af_support_for_uap_ac_lite/

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                      airlab @johnpoz
                      last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

                      @johnpoz yep it’s the revision with both the weird UniFi Poe and poe af.

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                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                        last edited by johnpoz Jan 25, 2020, 4:36 PM Jan 25, 2020, 4:26 PM

                        Whats the budget for this switch... The 9 port requirement pretty much forces you to a 16 port model.. Which drives the cost up..

                        All unifi gear for poe, have you looked at the unifi switches?

                        Can 1 of the ports be via sfp, where you could add a copper sfp or sfp+ if you need copper connection. The UniFi Switch 8 (150W) would meet your needs if 1 of the ports can be sfp. You would have to buy the sfp for what you want the 9th port for - 200$

                        Same sort of thing but dlink DGS-1100-10MP, but again the 9th port would be sfp. Same sort of 200$ price range.

                        cheaper option the netgear JGS516PE, less total poe power but more ports. The GS108PE would be cheaper, but only 8 ports total... And only 53 watts, which should be enough but its 1 port short..

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                          airlab @johnpoz
                          last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 4:40 PM

                          @johnpoz $200 is the max budget. I actually have a UniFi switch 8 150W that I was using in my USG setup but I want to get away from UniFi as much as possible. I have had increasingly bad experience in the last year with unstable firmware on the UniFi gateway and switches. I was running year old FW in them since they keep locking up with the newer versions.

                          The APs have been solid.

                          I’m going to look into the other ones you mentioned.

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                            last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

                            Yeah I have heard some horror stories with their switches, shame too since their AP are so freaking solid ;) I had a usg while my sg4860 was on back order when I upped my isp speed and needed something with more umph.. Couldn't get it off my network fast enough... While it could push the packet for my speed, it was not even close to ease of use compared to pfsense..

                            Now that usgp3 just sits on my self as an emergency spare, and a toy to play with run into some usg question I get interested with helping with ;)

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                              airlab @johnpoz
                              last edited by Jan 25, 2020, 5:33 PM

                              @johnpoz yea the APs were how I got sucked into the ecosystem. I should have stopped at the APs. I will admit UniFi is great for managing my parents network from across the country so I’ll give them that.

                              @JKnott & @johnpoz Thanks for the help and discussion!

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                                kevdog
                                last edited by Jan 27, 2020, 4:34 AM

                                Weird - I have two of the unifi 150W 8 port switches with the 2 SFP ports. I've had them only about 6 months but I can't say I've ever had any problems with them or with any firmware (although in this 6 month span I've only had one firmware update). Just curious what problems you had since I find them to be good switches and easy to manage.

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                                  airlab @kevdog
                                  last edited by Jan 27, 2020, 7:20 PM

                                  @kevdog said in Replacing VLAN switch in router on a stick configuration:

                                  Weird - I have two of the unifi 150W 8 port switches with the 2 SFP ports. I've had them only about 6 months but I can't say I've ever had any problems with them or with any firmware (although in this 6 month span I've only had one firmware update). Just curious what problems you had since I find them to be good switches and easy to manage.

                                  The interface and general principle is great. It's just the reliability that I'm not confident in anymore.

                                  In addition to two USGs, I have two 150W and one 60W switch, got them back in 2017 and for the first couple years they were pretty solid. Around early 2019 they started to get unstable. Applying firmware updates got shaky to the point where I would no longer initiate them unless I was local on site. Around 50% of the time they would fail or just remain disconnected in the controller. The solution was either to reset and adopt again, most of the time having to rollback. Ubiquiti warranty is 1 year so if it is a hardware issue then i can't get service. However, since the issues are spread out across the 3 switches and 2 USGs I don't think it's likely that all of them are running into hardware issues at the same time. The last straw for me was when my USGs started to freeze or slow down and the only fix was power cycling, this is something that I was hoping to not do anymore once I moved to "enterprise" grade hardware like ubiquiti.

                                  I've only had good experiences with their APs so I will probably be sticking with those. I am keeping an eye out for a good price ruckus APs on ebay however. I'm not sure what is going on with the gateway and switch firmware. Maybe they are focusing more on their future equipment like the UDM.

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                                    kevdog @airlab
                                    last edited by Jan 28, 2020, 1:45 PM

                                    @airlab

                                    Yikes -- like a I said I've only had mine for 6 months. I'm hopeful that in another year and a half this doesn't happen to me -- or maybe I just won't apply firmware updates.

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