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HA Proxy / Acme Lets encrypt : LAN access problem from inside with external url https

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    ducati57 @johnpoz
    last edited by ducati57 Oct 13, 2023, 2:10 PM Oct 13, 2023, 2:09 PM

    @johnpoz

    Here are the DNS currently used by Pfsense, the whole thing is attached to the WAN interface 10.1.1.1.

    Provider: primary 194.158.122.10 Secondary 194.158.122.15
    Google : primary 8.8.8.8 Secondary 8.8.4.4

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      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
      last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 2:10 PM

      @ducati57 don't matter what pfsense is using - matters that your clients are pointing to pfsense for theirs.

      also - you could set those all you want, pfsense out of the box resolves. So unless you went in and enabled forwarding mode, unbound on pfsense just resolves.

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        ducati57 @johnpoz
        last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 2:17 PM

        @johnpoz

        Is there a tutorial for making the modification ? Because if I understand correctly, it is necessary to make the modification on each client or on Pfsense?

        I am not an "expert" in the IT / Firewall part, I work in the telecom (backbone / longhaul) fiber optic sector :)

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          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
          last edited by johnpoz Oct 13, 2023, 2:33 PM Oct 13, 2023, 2:31 PM

          @ducati57 so out of the box if you enable dhcp on pfsense it would hand out its own IP to any dhcp clients. Unless you don't have unbound or dnsmasq running on pfsense. Then it would hand out the dns you have set in general.

          To be honest, this is out of the box for most users - nothing really to do.

          You would just need to create the host overrides in unbound (resolver).. example here is somee host overrides I have setup

          overrride.jpg

          So when my clients ask pfsense for dns, it returns my local IP.. Vs the public IP you would get if you asked public dns

          $ dig @8.8.8.8 time.nist.com +short
          208.91.197.27
          
          $ dig time.nist.com +short
          192.168.3.32
          
          $ dig time-ios.apple.com +short
          192.168.3.32
          
          $ dig @8.8.8.8 time-ios.apple.com +short
          time.g.aaplimg.com.
          17.253.26.123
          17.253.6.125
          17.253.26.251
          
          

          So now clients wanting to look up those fqdn, instead of going to the public IP (your edge).. They would just go to your pfsense wan IP and haproxy would proxy them to where you have setup.. In my case they just ask my local ntp server vs the ntp servers on the public internet.

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            ducati57 @johnpoz
            last edited by ducati57 Oct 13, 2023, 4:31 PM Oct 13, 2023, 4:25 PM

            @johnpoz

            Here are the basic DNS on Pfsense.
            c4dd5afe-f48e-4d3c-8dfa-54f5f4322bef-image.png

            I will make the modifications as you detailed previously and post a screenshot.

            2bbd8c25-a83c-4c08-901e-c5b3649844e1-image.png

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              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
              last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 4:29 PM

              @ducati57 yeah - you already stated that.. Not sure what else you want me to say? Out of the box unbound doesn't even use those.. Unless you specifically setup unbound to forward.

              forward.jpg

              And it doesn't matter what pfsense does be it resolve for forward.. If your client, ie some pc on your network is asking pfsense for dns.. And you setup a host override then that is the new iP that would be handed to the client for the fqdn it asked for.

              If your pc is using say 8.8.8.8 or any of those you listed for dns directly - then no a host override wouldn't work, because the client is never asking pfsense to resolve anything anyway.

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                ducati57 @johnpoz
                last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 4:32 PM

                @johnpoz

                So here is the modification to be made, directly on the LAN/DHCP server?
                206cd0aa-98fd-48c4-a0e2-dec56e7995d9-image.png

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                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                  last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 4:35 PM

                  @ducati57 You don't need to put anything in there..

                  Out of the box pfsense will ask itself (unbound) for dns - which resolves..

                  dns.jpg

                  You only need to put those in - if you want pfsense to use them, or you want to forward to them from unbound, etc. I have zero use for any external dns provider since I just let unbound resolve, as it does by default anyway..

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                    ducati57 @johnpoz
                    last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 4:46 PM

                    @johnpoz Ok, thanks for your patience :)

                    I just modified it as indicated in your comment.=>

                    e93b85d2-b5e3-487b-9ddd-fe9727f5eb35-image.png

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                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                      last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 4:47 PM

                      @ducati57 If that is pfsense IP, why would you set that and not just use loopback? Which is does all on its own..

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                        ducati57 @johnpoz
                        last edited by ducati57 Oct 13, 2023, 4:55 PM Oct 13, 2023, 4:54 PM

                        @johnpoz

                        If I do not indicate anything, and I configure Pfsense identical to your screenshot, here is the result
                        (KO update status because no external access because no DNS?)

                        70dc209e-fbc0-4b2f-be78-f5597a0886a9-image.png

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                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                          last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 5:05 PM

                          @ducati57 did you modify unbound settings?

                          unbound.jpg

                          By default its ALL, did you change it and not include localhost?

                          Is unbound running even?

                          services.jpg

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                            ducati57 @johnpoz
                            last edited by ducati57 Oct 13, 2023, 6:05 PM Oct 13, 2023, 5:16 PM

                            @johnpoz

                            Here is the configuration of the different elements / services do you see an error? (security problem, loop, bug, useless,etc..)

                            c2572561-1f74-4874-9695-4e42891ad506-image.png

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                              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                              last edited by Oct 13, 2023, 8:00 PM

                              @ducati57 well I see one thing that I personally would not do.. If your going to set the specific interfaces that unbound listens on, why would you click on wan.. Do you have devices that would be using the dns via its wan IP?

                              Your saying with those settings it does not populate 127.0.0.1 in the system tab for dns? If you do not put anything in the dns tab?

                              Here I just fired up my 2.7 box.. Its pretty much default out of the box.. Other than changing its lan to other than the default 192.168.1.1

                              default.jpg

                              I then changed from all, to just lan and got this error

                              loop.jpg

                              So I selected localhost along with just lan and it worked and system still shows dns as loopback 127.0.0.1

                              update.jpg

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                                ducati57 @johnpoz
                                last edited by Oct 14, 2023, 7:41 AM

                                @johnpoz
                                Good morning,

                                I just made the modification, it's gone.
                                c26bbc6c-c5fb-403d-afb4-cfaffd85b237-image.png

                                However still no local LAN access via HTTPS from an external url

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                                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                                  last edited by Oct 14, 2023, 11:32 AM

                                  @ducati57 said in HA Proxy / Acme Lets encrypt : LAN access problem from inside with external url https:

                                  However still no local LAN access via HTTPS from an external url

                                  did you create you host overrides??

                                  Are you clients pointing to pfsense for dns?

                                  Do a simple dns query from a client - did it resolve your fqdn to pfsense wan IP? Vs the public.. Maybe your browser is using doh for dns? Vs pointing to pfsense IP for it.

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                                    ducati57 @johnpoz
                                    last edited by ducati57 Oct 14, 2023, 4:42 PM Oct 14, 2023, 4:38 PM

                                    @johnpoz Yes, here is the conf for "Host Overrides"

                                    af710cb1-a255-4082-a544-e68238ef384e-image.png

                                    Yes, here is my PC (wifi) where it is visible in DNS (Pfsense) in 192.168.1.1

                                    ec4edc7e-e4fd-437e-849b-d559ac7912a2-image.png
                                    b2ee527c-8393-4da8-adeb-818b979ed588-image.png

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                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                                      last edited by johnpoz Oct 14, 2023, 4:48 PM Oct 14, 2023, 4:45 PM

                                      @ducati57 so your nslookup for dom.namedomaine.ovh returns 192.168.1.21

                                      do your nslookup dom.namedomaine.ovh

                                      What does it reply with - if that works and your still going to the public in your browser - you sure your browser isn't using doh vs your local dns.

                                      And that is not the right override anyway - if you want it to bounce off pfsense wan IP running haproxy, then it should be to pfsense wan IP.. Not the actual host IP the site is running on.

                                      haproxy.jpg

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                                        ducati57 @johnpoz
                                        last edited by ducati57 Oct 14, 2023, 5:09 PM Oct 14, 2023, 5:03 PM

                                        @johnpoz said in HA Proxy / Acme Lets encrypt : LAN access problem from inside with external url https:

                                        do your nslookup dom.namedomaine.ovh

                                        A test from my laptop :

                                        27498b4b-0fea-4454-b9f8-3c8358a14eed-image.png

                                        A direct test of the VM on my ESXI :

                                        907e6ebb-49a5-4ae2-81c3-6e2a8259af45-image.png

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                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @ducati57
                                          last edited by Oct 14, 2023, 5:22 PM

                                          @ducati57 then it should be hitting your haproxy - look in the haproxy logs.. Do you have some rule on pfsense lan that would prevent that? Like are you doing policy routing.

                                          Also again is your browser using doh.. Many browsers love to default that with no mention of it to the user..

                                          Look in your browsers dns cache to validate it resolved to your wan IP where haproxy is listening..

                                          For example in firefox you can go here to view the cache
                                          about:networking#dns

                                          trr.jpg

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