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    How to block in Windows10 Telemetry with pfsense

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      foresthus
      last edited by

      @KOM:

      A centralized solution would be best.  If you're going to go local, why not just use one of the many utils already out there?

      http://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

      http://pxc-coding.com/portfolio/donotspy10/

      Do not use that, you cannot go back without using a " restore point".

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        n3by
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        have a look here:

        https://github.com/WindowsLies/BlockWindows

        http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/28/microsoft-intensifies-data-collection-on-windows-7-and-8-systems/

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        • KOMK
          KOM
          last edited by

          Do not use that, you cannot go back without using a "  restore point".

          ShutUp10 will prompt you to let it create one before it applies its changes.  I didn't bother as I can't see any scenario where I would need to undo that stuff.

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            Sea Monkey
            last edited by

            Please forgive me.  I'm a bit of a noob.  Do these look right?

            ![allow update.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/allow update.PNG)
            ![allow update.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/allow update.PNG_thumb)
            ![block telemetry.PNG](/public/imported_attachments/1/block telemetry.PNG)
            ![block telemetry.PNG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/block telemetry.PNG_thumb)

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              n3by
              last edited by

              yes it looks ok.

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              • KOMK
                KOM
                last edited by

                Your pass rule isn't required unless you've really locked down your LAN.  By default, LAN has full access out to everywhere.

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                  n3by
                  last edited by

                  yes it is required because other way update destinations will be blocked from Blocked rule that have these destinations included in case you don't want to allow update.

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                  • KOMK
                    KOM
                    last edited by

                    yes it is required because other way update destinations will be blocked from Blocked rule that have these destinations included in case you don't want to allow update.

                    Huh?  Windows Update domains shouldn't be included in your telemetry alias.

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                      n3by
                      last edited by

                      some people want to block everyhing because MS can deliver an "security update" that will install telemetry and also use update hosts to get data from computer so this way is better, at least for me to have updates (allow only updates-block everything).

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                      • KOMK
                        KOM
                        last edited by

                        I still don't see how this is a good solution.  Are you literally whitelisting every destination address you want access to and blocking everything else on the Internet?  Because MS can spin up a zillion new domains on a whim.

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                          n3by
                          last edited by

                          MS can do whatever they want, but they must be able to make your computer to talk with any new domains ( and they can do this only with an allowed to install update ).
                          If now you block the telemetry C&C servers, there is no other way your computer will know to talk with new domains until you will install that update.

                          This is what we have for now, if we have another better way please elaborate ( except unplug the cable, stop using MS OS… ).

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                            robi
                            last edited by

                            @n3by:

                            yes it looks ok.

                            It's not ok as per your description, because it's a pass rule, not a block rule.

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                              robi
                              last edited by

                              @KOM:

                              yes it is required because other way update destinations will be blocked from Blocked rule that have these destinations included in case you don't want to allow update.

                              Huh?  Windows Update domains shouldn't be included in your telemetry alias.

                              Which are the Windows Update domains, btw?

                              I found these:

                              windowsupdate.microsoft.com	 
                              update.microsoft.com	 
                              windowsupdate.com	 
                              download.windowsupdate.com	 
                              wustat.windows.com	 
                              ntservicepack.microsoft.com	 
                              

                              Are there any others?

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                                Sea Monkey
                                last edited by

                                @robi:

                                @n3by:

                                yes it looks ok.

                                It's not ok as per your description, because it's a pass rule, not a block rule.

                                It's two rules.

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                                  Harvy66
                                  last edited by

                                  Setup a WSUS server, whitelist that to talk to Microsoft, and block all clients?

                                  I'm torn between Linux and FreeBSD. Linux has better Steam support, but a lot of stuff is being done in FreeBSD to increase comparability. ZFS and Jails are very attractive, even on a desktop.

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                                    2chemlud Banned
                                    last edited by

                                    Whenever I have the choice, M$-shyt has been replaced by opensuse or PC-BSD (the later has a steeper learning curve and is not so well supported, but is free of systemd). Big plus: you can both run with KDE desktop, which made it much easier to switch between these two, and btw the handling is not sooo far away from Windows xp/7…

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                                      2chemlud Banned
                                      last edited by

                                      PS: Here

                                      http://techne.alaya.net/?p=12499

                                      you can find a long list of IPs and host names to block for Windows telemetry.

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                                        2chemlud Banned
                                        last edited by

                                        …just for the record:

                                        I uninstalled on Win 7 pro 64/32 (various computers) the following KBs:

                                        97 1033
                                        290 2907
                                        295 2664
                                        299 0214
                                        302 1917
                                        302 2345
                                        303 5583
                                        304 4374
                                        305 0265
                                        306 2345
                                        306 5987
                                        306 8708
                                        307 5249
                                        307 5851
                                        308 0149
                                        308 3325

                                        and in addition I set up a block rule with loggin for an alias containing all the IPs and host names listed here

                                        http://techne.alaya.net/?p=12499

                                        As you might expect, the firewall log is full of blocked "MS telemetry" this morning.

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                                          2chemlud Banned
                                          last edited by

                                          …just to add:

                                          Had my PC-BSD 10 PC up today for updating. Really amazing, I found in the firewall logs repeated access of this computer to an IP blocked for MS Telemetry.

                                          WHAT has PC-BSD with MS-Telemetry in common? Or is it more correctly NSA telemetry featured by Microshyte?

                                          I'm surprised!

                                          ![BSD to MS 07.12.2015.JPG](/public/imported_attachments/1/BSD to MS 07.12.2015.JPG)
                                          ![BSD to MS 07.12.2015.JPG_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/BSD to MS 07.12.2015.JPG_thumb)

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                                          • KOMK
                                            KOM
                                            last edited by

                                            That IP address is a-msedge.net and it takes you to Bing.

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