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    What are the road signs we're getting close to a released version of 2.6?

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      bmeeks @jsmiddleton4
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      @jsmiddleton4
      For now that is probably the only way. Eventually, once 2.6 officially becomes RELEASE, I think you will be able to swap back in the Update menu.

      But if you want to revert now, I would go the reinstall and restore config route.

      You sort of "upgraded" at a bad time as you got in the in-between period where 2.6 is becoming RELEASE and the DEVEL snapshot branch is getting renamed to 2.7. So 2.6 is going to be 2.6-RC (Release Candidate), and what was formerly called 2.6-DEVEL is now renamed to 2.7-DEVEL.

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        jsmiddleton4 @bmeeks
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        @bmeeks

        Thanks. It feels like 2.6.0 release coming soon so will wait a bit.

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          NollipfSense @JeGr
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          @jegr said in What are the road signs we're getting close to a released version of 2.6?:

          I'm not. Why should it?

          Well, I had read awhile back (during 2.4.5 days) that the next release after 2.5 would be V3.0 and it makes sense currently at the pace things are going as FreeBSD 13 is now considered very stable and we have things that should have been or had been originally planned for v2.5 still in the table, such as REST API.

          pfSense+ 23.09 Lenovo Thinkcentre M93P SFF Quadcore i7 dual Raid-ZFS 128GB-SSD 32GB-RAM PCI-Intel i350-t4 NIC, -Intel QAT 8950.
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            jsmiddleton4 @NollipfSense
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            What's gonna happen with the next release, V3.0, etc., isn't what I've asked.

            I need to get off the beta track. I mistakenly thought 2.7.0 was just more of the same on its way to the newest release candidate.

            Its not. Newest release candidate will be 2.6.x. 2.7.0 doesn't end the beta track. It continues the beta track.

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              fireodo @jsmiddleton4
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              @jsmiddleton4

              As Bill Meeks stated:
              "But if you want to revert now, I would go the reinstall and restore config route."
              That is the only way back to the 2.6.0 RC (with a config from 2.5.2 or 2.6.0 - if you save a config from the 2.7.0 branch it wont work)

              Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
              SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
              pfsense 2.7.2 CE
              Packages: Apcupsd Cron Iftop Iperf LCDproc Nmap pfBlockerNG RRD_Summary Shellcmd Snort Speedtest System_Patches.

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                NRgia @NollipfSense
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                @nollipfsense said in What are the road signs we're getting close to a released version of 2.6?:

                @jegr said in What are the road signs we're getting close to a released version of 2.6?:

                I'm not. Why should it?

                Well, I had read awhile back (during 2.4.5 days) that the next release after 2.5 would be V3.0 and it makes sense currently at the pace things are going as FreeBSD 13 is now considered very stable and we have things that should have been or had been originally planned for v2.5 still in the table, such as REST API.

                I think that all the new things and features you mentioned, will see the light only in the Plus version. There is a direction, that all users to migrate to Plus version, if you'll want the latest and the greatest.

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                  jsmiddleton4 @fireodo
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                  @fireodo

                  I have several backups including the one automatic backup that is labeled "before update".

                  The version number in the XML file says Version 22.2. Is that the same at 2.6.0 beta?

                  All of my xml files including backups since installing 2.7 say 22.2 version.

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                    fireodo @jsmiddleton4
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                    @jsmiddleton4 said in What are the road signs we're getting close to a released version of 2.6?:

                    The version number in the XML file says Version 22.2. Is that the same at 2.6.0 beta?

                    Version 2.6.0 RC: <version>22.2</version> (probably the 2.7.0 config will work on 2.6.0 RC)
                    Version 2.5.2: <version>21.7</version>

                    Kettop Mi4300YL CPU: i5-4300Y @ 1.60GHz RAM: 8GB Ethernet Ports: 4
                    SSD: SanDisk pSSD-S2 16GB (ZFS) WiFi: WLE200NX
                    pfsense 2.7.2 CE
                    Packages: Apcupsd Cron Iftop Iperf LCDproc Nmap pfBlockerNG RRD_Summary Shellcmd Snort Speedtest System_Patches.

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                      jsmiddleton4 @fireodo
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                      @fireodo

                      I'm good to go then. Still might wait for 2.6.0 Stable Release. Blast 2.7, install stable 2.6, restore config.

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                        tquade @jsmiddleton4
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                        @jsmiddleton4 I would stay away from 2.7 as I expect it is at alpha level (full designation is 2.7.0.a. ..........). I expect the "a" is for alpha and is truly bleeding edge stuff. I'll give it a look-see when it hits beta and only if the unresolved issues are minor or edge cases.

                        Just my approach.

                        Ted

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                          jsmiddleton4 @tquade
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                          @tquade

                          Thanks. Had I known it was an alpha version I would've stayed clear.

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                            jsmiddleton4 @jsmiddleton4
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                            I asked in a different thread about cleaning out the kernel.old folder as it was storing quite a few previous kernels from on going updates for 2.6.0.

                            There's no way to restore 2.6.0 from one of those *.old kernels?

                            If not, why are they saved?

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                              tquade @jsmiddleton4
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                              @jsmiddleton4 That's a very good question and I don't have an answer. I'll leave it to others around here to respond.

                              Ted

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                                netblues @tquade
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                                @tquade There isn't much difference between a 2.6 kernel and a 2.7 kernel, right after the rebase.
                                At a certain point, everything is copied and renamed to 2.7 so development can continue.
                                2.6 becomes release candidate and any last minute fixes are applied.
                                Usually these are also forward ported to 2.7

                                A kernel is kept in place as a best practice on all unix/linux systems.
                                If you cant boot current kernel, keep a backup of the previous that booted, and use it in an emergency.
                                Keeping many backup kernels is just a waste of space, which nowdays is amble.

                                In practice, going back means reinstalling system and restoring configuration.

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                                  jsmiddleton4 @netblues
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                                  @netblues

                                  Thanks. I understand what a backup is and why you'd keep it. Doesn't explain why given there's a kernel.old you can't restore from those kernel.old's for 2.6.0 and I'd be back on track.

                                  It seems to me for what I use PFSense for, basic router functions, its not likely I'll have an issue with 2.7.0. I'm not pushing PFSense to its limit by any means. Not a power user even in my dreams. While I wish I had not gone to 2.7.0 for my use/setting just how risky is it?

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                                    netblues @jsmiddleton4
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                                    @jsmiddleton4 You shouldn't stay on dev version, if new things are introduced, updating will possibly break your installation.
                                    And if you dont upgrade, isn't good for security too.

                                    Pfsense is a system running on freebsd.
                                    So it is a complete os.
                                    Restoring the os kernel, won't change anything else, and it won''t bring the system to the previous version.
                                    This only works on monolithic router devices, where the .bak file is everything needed.

                                    This is not the case here.

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                                      jsmiddleton4 @netblues
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                                      @netblues

                                      Thanks. So the .old is for BSD, the operating system. Not a back up of PFSense?

                                      I'm back to the 2.6.0RC. It only takes a second to restore.

                                      Odd thing is I renamed my NIC's so I knew which client each was attached to, did it yesterday afternoon well into my third or fourth 2.7.0 update.

                                      I used my 2.6.0 config for the config.xml on the thumbdrive to restore 2.6.0.

                                      All the custom names remained in tact. I did not rename them when running 2.6.0.

                                      The rules that I deleted yesterday were restored. Should have been as those "old" rules were in the config.xml for 2.6.0.

                                      All but the names are consistent with the last backup for 2.6.0.

                                      How the names stuck???

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                                        bmeeks @jsmiddleton4
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                                        @jsmiddleton4:

                                        pfSense is a complicated and interconnected system. It starts with a customized FreeBSD kernel/operating system. Then layers of PHP code (for the GUI) and some custom binary executables/system services are added to make up the complete system.

                                        So what you saw in that kernel directory was simply a small part of the entire system. You saw some of the FreeBSD part (the literal kernel). But that does not include all the PHP code and other things that live in all the other directories you see on a running system.

                                        All of the configuration information for pfSense (which interface is what, the firewall rules, aliases, and all the stuff needed for the various packages) is stored in an XML file called config.xml. When you perform a backup in pfSense, literally all that is saved is that single XML file. That's because that file is all you need to restore a complete configuration. But realize that "configuration" is not the same as the base system. So typically when restoring a backup, you completely reinstall the base system if recovering from a disaster. Then after the base system is installed, you pull in the previous config.xml file and that brings in all of your customized configuration. But if all you need to do is restore some previous configuration (say for example you borked your firewall rules or something), then you would only need to import the previous config.xml file and you are good to go. You would not reinstall the base system in that case.

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                                          jsmiddleton4 @bmeeks
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                                          @bmeeks

                                          I understand all of that. Thanks though.

                                          I was told the .xml file from 2.7.0 won’t work with reinstall of 2.6.0. I used the 2.6.0 xml. Worked fine. How it remembered the custom names for the NIC’s is all I was asking about.

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                                            NollipfSense @jsmiddleton4
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                                            @jsmiddleton4 said in What are the road signs we're getting close to a released version of 2.6?:

                                            How it remembered the custom names for the NIC’s is all I was asking about.

                                            He took valuable time to explain based on some of your previous responses. If one makes a copy of something, when one restores it again later, one shall get the exact copy including custom items in the copy...right? I am getting the feeling of your being a troll...

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                                            pfSense+ 23.09 VM-Proxmox, Dell Precision Xeon-W2155 Nvme 500GB-ZFS 128GB-RAM PCIe-Intel i350-t4, Intel QAT-8950, P-cloud.

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