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    • bingo600B
      bingo600 @johnpoz
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      @johnpoz said in An Unknown 10.x.x.x Network:

      I think the problem, the typo... One is a out rule the other is a in rule, but both of the descriptions say out.

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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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        Mmm, that rule is expected and it's passing in the broadcast traffic as it's set.
        I'll have to check the history there but I believe both those rules are to pass traffic for the WAN DHCP client. Hence they both have the same description. I'm not 100% sure why it was required though.....

        Steve

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
          last edited by stephenw10

          Mmm, Ok you need both rules there because those do not have 'keep state' set. You need to explicitly allow replies from the server. The description is correct if somewhat confusing.

          The history there goes waaaay back:
          https://forum.netgate.com/topic/1624/automatic-rules-for-dhcp-client-on-wan-interface

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          Steve

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          • stephenw10S
            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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            Mmm, in fact given the nature of DHCP as broadcast with unicast reply I expect to need both those rules.
            The inbound rule could perhaps be more usefully labelled 'allow dhcp client replies' or similar.

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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              @stephenw10 said in An Unknown 10.x.x.x Network:

              more usefully labelled 'allow dhcp client replies' or similar.

              Yeah that would be better ;)

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                SteveITS Galactic Empire @bingo600
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                @bingo600 said in An Unknown 10.x.x.x Network:

                Comcast modems are strange beasts , that can give out 10.x.x.x ip's on the "inside" , and also serve a "public assigned /29".

                FWIW I see this a lot. In a business environment Comcast "bridges" and passes the public IP through. However they leave NAT working because one can plug in a laptop and bypass the customer router/equipment, while troubleshooting.

                My house has a Netgear cable modem "not a router" that has a private IP and is accessible through pfSense, while pfSense has a public IP.

                AT&T DSL worked the same way when I had that, I could get to their router/modem using a private IP, while "passthrough" was enabled to give my router a public IP.

                Plus I've seen ISPs use 10.x IPs on their internal network. 20ish years ago we had a T1 at work that did that but still routed the public IP to our office. It showed in traceroutes IIRC.

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @SteveITS
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                  @steveits said in An Unknown 10.x.x.x Network:

                  Plus I've seen ISPs use 10.x IPs on their internal network.

                  oh many of them do for sure.. .I have a 10.x hop in my trace..

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                    last edited by

                    https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/13505

                    Should be a 10s fix unless I'm missing something.

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 said in An Unknown 10.x.x.x Network:

                      https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/13505

                      you didn't want to link this thread to the redmine?

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        Done. 😉
                        Example confusion!

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