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    eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
    last edited by eiger3970 0 May 10, 2023, 4:05 AM May 10, 2023, 4:01 AM

    @eiger3970-0 This updated diagram might help for clarity?
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      eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
      last edited by May 11, 2023, 6:36 AM

      @eiger3970-0
      I updated the host Ubuntu's Network Manager, but no LAN IP 192.168.1.120 appears and no connection to the guest pfSense router on 192.168.1.1?

      ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ cat 01-network-manager-all.yaml
      # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
      network:
        version: 2
        renderer: NetworkManager
        ethernets:
          enp2s0:
            dhcp4: no
            addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
            gateway4: 192.168.1.1
            nameservers:
              addresses: [8.8.8.8,8.8.8.4]
          enp3s0:
            dhcp4: no
        bridges:
          br0:
            dhcp4: yes
            interfaces:
              - enp3s0
          br1:
            dhcp4: yes
            interfaces:
              - enp2s0
      
      
      ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip -c a
      1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
          link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
          inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
      2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
          link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          inet6 fe80::31ca:9227:dcb3:d09e/64 scope link noprefixroute 
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
      3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
          link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
      4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
          link/ether 52:54:00:88:b4:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
      5: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
          link/ether 0a:d4:78:1f:cd:41 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          inet 100.76.25.213/10 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute br0
             valid_lft 217sec preferred_lft 217sec
          inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:c261:34a2:7275:ff6e/64 scope global temporary dynamic 
             valid_lft 201sec preferred_lft 51sec
          inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:8d4:78ff:fe1f:cd41/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr 
             valid_lft 201sec preferred_lft 51sec
          inet6 fe80::8d4:78ff:fe1f:cd41/64 scope link 
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
      8: vnet0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
          link/ether fe:54:00:c9:2f:af brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fec9:2faf/64 scope link 
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
      9: vnet1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
          link/ether fe:54:00:ad:30:31 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fead:3031/64 scope link 
             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
      499: br1: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
          link/ether d2:da:46:a2:b2:3e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
      
      
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        viragomann @eiger3970 0
        last edited by May 14, 2023, 8:44 PM

        @eiger3970-0
        Whats the reason for setting an IP on enp2s0 now?
        You have added it to br1 as member, which you have enabled the DHCP client on. That might conflict.
        If you want to have a static IP set it on the bridge and remove from enp2s0.

        In your last ip command output enp2s0 is not shown as bridge member anymore. However, it has an IPv6, what I don't expect according to the settings. So it seems that there is something wrong with the br1/enp2s0.

        Also I wondering what's your reason to have the DHCP client active on both bridges.

        Is there no other network configuration tool available on Ubuntu than Network Manager?
        I use it only on the desktop for my purposes. But on a server I use to configure the network with wicked. It's more reliable in my opinion.

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          eiger3970 0 @viragomann
          last edited by eiger3970 0 May 27, 2023, 4:57 AM May 27, 2023, 4:51 AM

          @viragomann Before a host reboot:

          ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ cat 01-network-manager-all.yaml
          # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
          network:
            version: 2
            renderer: NetworkManager
            ethernets:
              enp2s0:
                dhcp4: yes 
              enp3s0:
                dhcp4: yes
            bridges:
              br0:
                dhcp4: yes
                interfaces:
                  - enp3s0
                  - vtnet0
              br1:
                dhcp4: no
                addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
                gateway4: 192.168.1.1
                nameservers:
                  addresses: [8.8.8.8,8.8.8.4]
                interfaces:
                  - enp2s0
                  - vtnet0
          ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ sudo netplan try
          
          ** (process:22120): WARNING **: 14:50:09.654: `gateway4` has been deprecated, use default routes instead.
          See the 'Default routes' section of the documentation for more details.
          /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml:24:11: Error in network definition: br1: interface 'vtnet0' is not defined
                  - vtnet0
                    ^
          ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip -c a
          1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
              link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
              inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
              inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
              link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
              inet6 fe80::31ca:9227:dcb3:d09e/64 scope link noprefixroute 
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
              link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
              inet 100.76.25.213/10 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute enp3s0
                 valid_lft 206sec preferred_lft 206sec
              inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:a33c:3599:7805:669/64 scope global temporary dynamic 
                 valid_lft 240sec preferred_lft 90sec
              inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:14a9:5501:ce7c:4421/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute 
                 valid_lft 240sec preferred_lft 90sec
              inet6 fe80::5be3:7f2a:2da2:5285/64 scope link noprefixroute 
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
              link/ether 52:54:00:88:b4:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
              inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          

          After reboot, no Internet.

          ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ ip -c a
          1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
              link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
              inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
              inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
              link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN group default qlen 1000
              link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
          4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
              link/ether 52:54:00:88:b4:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
              inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
                 valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
          

          No Internet as I think the Host is looking for the Guest pfSense router.
          However, this is the next issue the VMM won't add 1 or 2 bridges.
          Starting the Guest Error starting domain: Cannot get interface MTU on 'br0': No such device.

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            viragomann @eiger3970 0
            last edited by May 29, 2023, 5:03 PM

            @eiger3970-0 said in What is the VMM Network selection for a LAN and WAN NIC:

            However, this is the next issue the VMM won't add 1 or 2 bridges.
            Starting the Guest Error starting domain: Cannot get interface MTU on 'br0': No such device.

            No surprise at all. There is no br0 configured.

            Obviously you have no proper bridge configuration now. None of your NICs is assigned to the only one bridge which is called virbr0.

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              eiger3970 0 @viragomann
              last edited by Jun 1, 2023, 11:42 AM

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                eiger3970 0 @viragomann
                last edited by Jun 1, 2023, 1:53 PM

                @viragomann I've realised the bridges I create NIC0-br0 and NIC1-br1, disappear after rebooting the machine?
                However virbr0 appears (probably from KVM) and stays after a reboot.

                The main issue now seems to be the Ubuntu 22.04 machine can't ping the vm router on 192.168.1.1.
                I can't quite figure out the host machine's static ip, even though I thought I set it in /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml.

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                  eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
                  last edited by eiger3970 0 Jun 3, 2023, 5:17 AM Jun 3, 2023, 5:17 AM

                  @eiger3970-0
                  After a few Ubuntu 22.04 reboots, the br0 and br1 appear permanent.
                  However, whilst br0 connectes to enp3s0, br1 won't stay connected to enp2s0?
                  br0 automatically connects to vnet1, after I start up the vm.
                  Confusing?

                  ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip -c a
                  1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                      link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
                      inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      inet 192.168.1.120/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global noprefixroute enp2s0
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      inet6 fe80::31ca:9227:dcb3:d09e/64 scope link noprefixroute 
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                  4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether 52:54:00:88:b4:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  5: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether d2:da:46:a2:b2:3e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      inet 192.168.1.120/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global noprefixroute br1
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      inet6 fe80::d0da:46ff:fea2:b23e/64 scope link 
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  6: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether 0a:d4:78:1f:cd:41 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      inet 100.76.25.213/10 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute br0
                         valid_lft 267sec preferred_lft 267sec
                      inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:20eb:c8df:ba1e:9e3e/64 scope global temporary dynamic 
                         valid_lft 202sec preferred_lft 52sec
                      inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:8d4:78ff:fe1f:cd41/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr 
                         valid_lft 202sec preferred_lft 52sec
                      inet6 fe80::8d4:78ff:fe1f:cd41/64 scope link 
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  7: vnet0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether fe:54:00:33:3c:4b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe33:3c4b/64 scope link 
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  8: vnet1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                      link/ether fe:54:00:50:81:3f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe50:813f/64 scope link 
                         valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                  ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ bridge link
                  3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
                  7: vnet0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
                  8: vnet1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br1 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
                  ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ cat 01-network-manager-all.yaml
                  # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
                  network:
                    version: 2
                    renderer: NetworkManager
                    ethernets:
                      enp2s0:
                        dhcp4: true 
                      enp3s0:
                        dhcp4: true
                    bridges:
                      br0:
                        dhcp4: true
                        interfaces:
                          - enp3s0
                      br1:
                        dhcp4: false
                        addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
                        gateway4: 192.168.1.1
                        nameservers:
                          addresses: [8.8.8.8,8.8.8.4]
                        interfaces:
                          - enp2s0
                  
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                    viragomann @eiger3970 0
                    last edited by Jun 3, 2023, 8:55 AM

                    @eiger3970-0
                    I'd kick the Network Manager away and do it with ifup / ifdown scripts.
                    This is a server, the settings need to be done only once.

                    I only use NM on the desktop and notebook, because you can easily make a VPN connection with it.

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                      eiger3970 0 @viragomann
                      last edited by Jun 3, 2023, 8:59 AM

                      @viragomann Yes, I've updated the bridge connection via ip link commands and have the NIC0-br0 and NIC1-br1.
                      However, this Ubuntu 22.04 machine 192.168.1.120 and the guest vm pfSense 192.168.1.1 won't ping each other?

                      ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip -c a
                      1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                          link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
                          inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                          inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br1 state UP group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                          inet6 fe80::31ca:9227:dcb3:d09e/64 scope link noprefixroute 
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                      4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether 52:54:00:88:b4:b4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                          inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      7: vnet0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether fe:54:00:33:3c:4b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                          inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe33:3c4b/64 scope link 
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      8: vnet1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether fe:54:00:50:81:3f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                          inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe50:813f/64 scope link 
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      9: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether 0a:d4:78:1f:cd:41 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                          inet 100.76.25.213/10 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute br0
                             valid_lft 294sec preferred_lft 294sec
                          inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:19c5:376e:1317:8ae1/64 scope global temporary dynamic 
                             valid_lft 197sec preferred_lft 47sec
                          inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:8d4:78ff:fe1f:cd41/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr 
                             valid_lft 197sec preferred_lft 47sec
                          inet6 fe80::8d4:78ff:fe1f:cd41/64 scope link 
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      10: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
                          link/ether d2:da:46:a2:b2:3e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                          inet 192.168.1.120/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global noprefixroute br1
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                          inet6 fe80::d0da:46ff:fea2:b23e/64 scope link 
                             valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                      ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ bridge link
                      2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br1 state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 
                      3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
                      ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ cat 01-network-manager-all.yaml
                      # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
                      network:
                        version: 2
                        renderer: NetworkManager
                        ethernets:
                          enp2s0:
                            dhcp4: true 
                          enp3s0:
                            dhcp4: true
                        bridges:
                          br0:
                            dhcp4: true
                            interfaces:
                              - enp3s0
                          br1:
                            dhcp4: false
                            addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
                            gateway4: 192.168.1.1
                            nameservers:
                              addresses: [8.8.8.8,8.8.8.4]
                            interfaces:
                              - enp2s0
                      ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip r
                      default via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp metric 425 
                      default via 192.168.1.1 dev br1 proto static metric 20426 
                      34.120.255.244 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link metric 425 
                      100.64.0.0/10 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 425 
                      169.254.0.0/16 dev virbr0 scope link metric 1000 linkdown 
                      192.168.1.0/24 dev br1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.120 metric 426 
                      192.168.100.1 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link metric 425 
                      192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.122.1 linkdown 
                      
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                        viragomann @eiger3970 0
                        last edited by Jun 4, 2023, 12:50 PM

                        @eiger3970-0
                        The "ip a" output doesn't look plausible to me. If a single NIC is slave in a bridge, I'd expect that the bridge takes over the MAC from the NIC.

                        Also there should not be any IP settings on the NIC port. However, your enp2s0 shows IPv6 settings.

                        Also I cannot see that any of your virtual interfaces is connected to one of the bridges. So it's expected that pinging doesn't work.
                        Did you set the bridge name in VMM?

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                          eiger3970 0 @viragomann
                          last edited by Jun 5, 2023, 7:04 AM

                          @viragomann Maybe I'm missing the connection, but not sure what to do? I connect NIC0-br0 and NIC1-br1. Maybe I need something like NIC0-br0-vtnet0 and NIC1-br1-vtnet1?

                          I create bridges for the VMM, in this order.
                          1: Ubuntu 22.04 Host machine:
                          sudo ip link set dev enp3s0 master br0
                          sudo ip link set dev enp2s0 master br1

                          2: Ubuntu 22.04 Host machine:
                          /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml

                          # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
                          network:
                            version: 2
                            renderer: NetworkManager
                            ethernets:
                              enp2s0:
                                dhcp4: true 
                              enp3s0:
                                dhcp4: true
                            bridges:
                              br0:
                                dhcp4: true
                                interfaces:
                                  - enp3s0
                              br1:
                                dhcp4: false
                                addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
                                gateway4: 192.168.1.1
                                nameservers:
                                  addresses: [8.8.8.8,8.8.8.4]
                                interfaces:
                                  - enp2s0
                          

                          3: Virtual Machine Manager 4.0.0:
                          Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br0.
                          Add Hardware > Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br1.

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                            viragomann @eiger3970 0
                            last edited by Jun 5, 2023, 7:33 AM

                            @eiger3970-0 said in What is the VMM Network selection for a LAN and WAN NIC:

                            3: Virtual Machine Manager 4.0.0:
                            Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br0.
                            Add Hardware > Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br1.

                            That's how I did it as well. But running "ip a", my virtual NICs show the bridges they're connected to:

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                            However, as already mentioned, I don't use the Network Manager.

                            Do you use the host also for other purposes? If it's only for virtualization I'd consider to install Proxmox or alike on it.

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                              eiger3970 0 @viragomann
                              last edited by Jun 5, 2023, 7:38 AM

                              @viragomann I just use the host machine as a personal desktop.
                              I previously ran Proxmox which ran nicely, however had to run Ubuntu as a vm.
                              My hope is to run Ubuntu with better performance not being a vm any longer.

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                                eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
                                last edited by eiger3970 0 Jun 6, 2023, 5:48 AM Jun 6, 2023, 5:42 AM

                                @eiger3970-0 I've reinstalled the Ubuntu 22.04, VMM 4.0.0 and VM pfSense.
                                Ubuntu 192.168.1.120 pings the Internet (very slow connection though), vm router and LAN devices.
                                VM router 192.168.1.1 pings Ubuntu and LAN devices, however not the Internet.
                                This tells me Internet is running via the Ubuntu 22.04 iptables, rather than via the vm router.
                                Somehow I think I'm missing bridging the WAN interface NIC0-br0-vm router?
                                Here's my latest configuration:

                                root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# cat 50-cloud-init.yaml
                                network:
                                  version: 2
                                  renderer: networkd
                                
                                  ethernets:
                                    enp2s0:
                                      dhcp4: false
                                      dhcp6: false
                                    enp3s0:
                                      dhcp4: false
                                      dhcp6: false
                                
                                  bridges:
                                    br0:
                                      interfaces: [enp3s0]
                                      dhcp4: true
                                      dhcp6: true
                                    br1:
                                      interfaces: [enp2s0]
                                      addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
                                      # gateway4 is deprecated, use routes instead.
                                      routes:
                                      - to: default
                                        via: 192.168.1.1
                                        metric: 100
                                        on-link: true
                                      mtu: 1500
                                      nameservers:
                                        addresses: [8.8.8.8]
                                      parameters:
                                        stp: true
                                        forward-delay: 4
                                      dhcp4: no
                                      dhcp6: no        
                                
                                root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# ip -c a
                                1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                                    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
                                    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br1 state UP group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether 52:54:00:a9:81:30 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                    inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                8: vnet3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether fe:54:00:d4:d4:20 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fed4:d420/64 scope link 
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                9: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether e2:73:dd:ac:ba:e0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                    inet 100.76.25.213/10 metric 100 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic br0
                                       valid_lft 187sec preferred_lft 187sec
                                    inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:e073:ddff:feac:bae0/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute 
                                       valid_lft 233sec preferred_lft 83sec
                                    inet6 fe80::e073:ddff:feac:bae0/64 scope link 
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                10: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether ce:08:2f:30:4a:71 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                    inet 192.168.1.120/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br1
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                    inet6 fe80::cc08:2fff:fe30:4a71/64 scope link 
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                11: vnet4: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
                                    link/ether fe:54:00:95:1e:e5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
                                    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe95:1ee5/64 scope link 
                                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
                                
                                root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# ip r
                                default via 192.168.1.1 dev br1 proto static metric 100 onlink 
                                default via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                1.1.1.1 via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                8.8.8.8 via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                34.120.255.244 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                100.64.0.0/10 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                169.254.0.0/16 dev virbr0 scope link metric 1000 linkdown 
                                192.168.1.0/24 dev br1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.120 
                                192.168.100.1 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
                                192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.122.1 linkdown 
                                
                                root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# bridge link
                                2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br1 state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 
                                3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 
                                8: vnet3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
                                11: vnet4: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br1 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
                                
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                                  viragomann @eiger3970 0
                                  last edited by Jun 6, 2023, 4:17 PM

                                  @eiger3970-0 said in What is the VMM Network selection for a LAN and WAN NIC:

                                  buntu 192.168.1.120 pings the Internet (very slow connection though)

                                  It has two routes for upstream connection. The one via the pfSense VM might fail.

                                  VM router 192.168.1.1 pings Ubuntu and LAN devices, however not the Internet.

                                  What is its WAN configuration and default gateway?

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                                    eiger3970 0 @viragomann
                                    last edited by eiger3970 0 Jun 6, 2023, 10:24 PM Jun 6, 2023, 10:16 PM

                                    @viragomann
                                    What are the 2 routes for upstream connection, I don't clearly see them?

                                    I think these are the LAN and WAN details:
                                    Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Interfaces > LAN 10Gbase-T <full-duplex> 192.168.1.1 track6.
                                    Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Interfaces > WAN 10Gbase-T <full-duplex> 100.76.25.213 2406.2d40:4100:8fb2:5054:ff:fed4:d420

                                    I think these are the Gateways details:
                                    Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Gateways > WAN_DHCP6 fe80::200:5eff:fe00:101
                                    Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Gateways > WAN_DHCP 100.64.0.1.

                                    These are all default settings that appeared in pfSense after I configured Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop's Netplan and turned off NetworkManager as per this tutorial.

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                                      viragomann @eiger3970 0
                                      last edited by Jun 6, 2023, 10:24 PM

                                      @eiger3970-0

                                      default via 192.168.1.1 dev br1 proto static metric 100 onlink
                                      default via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100

                                      You have the first one set manually. The latter is due to the DHCP client enabled on br0. So the bridge gets a config from the ISP router presumably.

                                      If you want to go out via pfSense disable the DHCP client on br0 and enable it on pfSense WAN, assuming this is connected to br0.

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                                        eiger3970 0 @viragomann
                                        last edited by Jun 6, 2023, 11:28 PM

                                        @viragomann Thank you for the clarification.
                                        This is what I've been trying to do, to have traffic via the vm router.
                                        Any suggestions, as if I disable the br0's DHCP, it must need some address for a static IP?
                                        How do I check the vm router is connected to br0?
                                        How do I connect the vm router to br0?
                                        How do I check the vm router's WAN is on DHCP? The vm router's Interfaces: [WAN] IPv4 Configuration Type, does say it's on DHCP, so this should be ok?

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                                          eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
                                          last edited by Jun 10, 2023, 3:34 AM

                                          @eiger3970-0 I've configured Ubuntu 22.04 to use renderer networkd rather than NetworkManager.
                                          I can now route the Ubuntu host via the vm router for Internet and LAN access.

                                          However, only some Internet loads and ping 8.8.8.8 has 100% packet loss?

                                          I think the pfSense configuration needs some details I'm missing.

                                          Any paid support to finalise my configuration please?
                                          I've set LAN and WAN to static IPs, but will probably fail once the ISP changes the public IP.

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