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      eiger3970 0 @viragomann
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      @viragomann Maybe I'm missing the connection, but not sure what to do? I connect NIC0-br0 and NIC1-br1. Maybe I need something like NIC0-br0-vtnet0 and NIC1-br1-vtnet1?

      I create bridges for the VMM, in this order.
      1: Ubuntu 22.04 Host machine:
      sudo ip link set dev enp3s0 master br0
      sudo ip link set dev enp2s0 master br1

      2: Ubuntu 22.04 Host machine:
      /etc/netplan/01-network-manager-all.yaml

      # Let NetworkManager manage all devices on this system
network:
  version: 2
  renderer: NetworkManager
  ethernets:
    enp2s0:
      dhcp4: true 
    enp3s0:
      dhcp4: true
  bridges:
    br0:
      dhcp4: true
      interfaces:
        - enp3s0
    br1:
      dhcp4: false
      addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
      gateway4: 192.168.1.1
      nameservers:
        addresses: [8.8.8.8,8.8.8.4]
      interfaces:
        - enp2s0

      3: Virtual Machine Manager 4.0.0:
      Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br0.
      Add Hardware > Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br1.

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        viragomann @eiger3970 0
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        @eiger3970-0 said in What is the VMM Network selection for a LAN and WAN NIC:

        3: Virtual Machine Manager 4.0.0:
        Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br0.
        Add Hardware > Virtual Network Interface > Network Source: Bridge device... > Device name: br1.

        That's how I did it as well. But running "ip a", my virtual NICs show the bridges they're connected to:

        f5965430-28ed-4c59-a64a-7439ae25e5d5-image.png

        However, as already mentioned, I don't use the Network Manager.

        Do you use the host also for other purposes? If it's only for virtualization I'd consider to install Proxmox or alike on it.

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          eiger3970 0 @viragomann
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          @viragomann I just use the host machine as a personal desktop.
          I previously ran Proxmox which ran nicely, however had to run Ubuntu as a vm.
          My hope is to run Ubuntu with better performance not being a vm any longer.

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            eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
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            @eiger3970-0 I've reinstalled the Ubuntu 22.04, VMM 4.0.0 and VM pfSense.
            Ubuntu 192.168.1.120 pings the Internet (very slow connection though), vm router and LAN devices.
            VM router 192.168.1.1 pings Ubuntu and LAN devices, however not the Internet.
            This tells me Internet is running via the Ubuntu 22.04 iptables, rather than via the vm router.
            Somehow I think I'm missing bridging the WAN interface NIC0-br0-vm router?
            Here's my latest configuration:

            root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# cat 50-cloud-init.yaml
network:
  version: 2
  renderer: networkd

  ethernets:
    enp2s0:
      dhcp4: false
      dhcp6: false
    enp3s0:
      dhcp4: false
      dhcp6: false

  bridges:
    br0:
      interfaces: [enp3s0]
      dhcp4: true
      dhcp6: true
    br1:
      interfaces: [enp2s0]
      addresses: [192.168.1.120/24]
      # gateway4 is deprecated, use routes instead.
      routes:
      - to: default
        via: 192.168.1.1
        metric: 100
        on-link: true
      mtu: 1500
      nameservers:
        addresses: [8.8.8.8]
      parameters:
        stp: true
        forward-delay: 4
      dhcp4: no
      dhcp6: no        

            root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# ip -c a
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br1 state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master br0 state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
4: virbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 52:54:00:a9:81:30 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
8: vnet3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br0 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:d4:d4:20 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fed4:d420/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
9: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether e2:73:dd:ac:ba:e0 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 100.76.25.213/10 metric 100 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic br0
       valid_lft 187sec preferred_lft 187sec
    inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:e073:ddff:feac:bae0/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute 
       valid_lft 233sec preferred_lft 83sec
    inet6 fe80::e073:ddff:feac:bae0/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
10: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether ce:08:2f:30:4a:71 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.1.120/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br1
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 fe80::cc08:2fff:fe30:4a71/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
11: vnet4: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master br1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:95:1e:e5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe95:1ee5/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

            root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# ip r
default via 192.168.1.1 dev br1 proto static metric 100 onlink 
default via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
1.1.1.1 via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
8.8.8.8 via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
34.120.255.244 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
100.64.0.0/10 dev br0 proto kernel scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
169.254.0.0/16 dev virbr0 scope link metric 1000 linkdown 
192.168.1.0/24 dev br1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.120 
192.168.100.1 dev br0 proto dhcp scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 100 
192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.122.1 linkdown 

            root@ubuntu:/etc/netplan# bridge link
2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br1 state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 
3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 4 
8: vnet3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br0 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100 
11: vnet4: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 master br1 state forwarding priority 32 cost 100
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              viragomann @eiger3970 0
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              @eiger3970-0 said in What is the VMM Network selection for a LAN and WAN NIC:

              buntu 192.168.1.120 pings the Internet (very slow connection though)

              It has two routes for upstream connection. The one via the pfSense VM might fail.

              VM router 192.168.1.1 pings Ubuntu and LAN devices, however not the Internet.

              What is its WAN configuration and default gateway?

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                eiger3970 0 @viragomann
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                @viragomann
                What are the 2 routes for upstream connection, I don't clearly see them?

                I think these are the LAN and WAN details:
                Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Interfaces > LAN 10Gbase-T <full-duplex> 192.168.1.1 track6.
                Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Interfaces > WAN 10Gbase-T <full-duplex> 100.76.25.213 2406.2d40:4100:8fb2:5054:ff:fed4:d420

                I think these are the Gateways details:
                Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Gateways > WAN_DHCP6 fe80::200:5eff:fe00:101
                Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop > Browser > 192.168.1.1 > Enter > pfSense > Lobby > Dashboard > Gateways > WAN_DHCP 100.64.0.1.

                These are all default settings that appeared in pfSense after I configured Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop's Netplan and turned off NetworkManager as per this tutorial.

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                  viragomann @eiger3970 0
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                  @eiger3970-0

                  default via 192.168.1.1 dev br1 proto static metric 100 onlink
                  default via 100.64.0.1 dev br0 proto dhcp src 100.76.25.213 metric 100

                  You have the first one set manually. The latter is due to the DHCP client enabled on br0. So the bridge gets a config from the ISP router presumably.

                  If you want to go out via pfSense disable the DHCP client on br0 and enable it on pfSense WAN, assuming this is connected to br0.

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                    eiger3970 0 @viragomann
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                    @viragomann Thank you for the clarification.
                    This is what I've been trying to do, to have traffic via the vm router.
                    Any suggestions, as if I disable the br0's DHCP, it must need some address for a static IP?
                    How do I check the vm router is connected to br0?
                    How do I connect the vm router to br0?
                    How do I check the vm router's WAN is on DHCP? The vm router's Interfaces: [WAN] IPv4 Configuration Type, does say it's on DHCP, so this should be ok?

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                      eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
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                      @eiger3970-0 I've configured Ubuntu 22.04 to use renderer networkd rather than NetworkManager.
                      I can now route the Ubuntu host via the vm router for Internet and LAN access.

                      However, only some Internet loads and ping 8.8.8.8 has 100% packet loss?

                      I think the pfSense configuration needs some details I'm missing.

                      Any paid support to finalise my configuration please?
                      I've set LAN and WAN to static IPs, but will probably fail once the ISP changes the public IP.

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                        Patch @eiger3970 0
                        last edited by Patch

                        @eiger3970-0 said in What is the VMM Network selection for a LAN and WAN NIC:

                        This updated diagram might help for clarity?

                        That diagram looks wrong to me. Specifically
                        Wan side would normally be
                        ISP <-> Modem (Bridged router) <-> Nic0/eth0/snp3s0 <-> br0 <-> pfSenseVM (and no other VM or hypervisor)

                        Lan side would normally be
                        pfSenseVM <-> br1 <-> other VMs, Hypervisor, and Nic1/eth1/enp2s0 <-> external switch <-> Wired Lan devices, Wifi AP

                        So in your diagram I don't like br0 connection to VM x and VM y

                        Nor do I like the non specific connection of the Hypervisor to the pfsense router

                        • The hypervisor network access should be explicitly via the Lan / br1. In Proxmox that is set by assigning an IP address to the Vbr1. Less sure how to do it directly in Ubuntu 22.04.
                        • The hypervisor also has VM access via the VM console and Qemu but that is separate to network access
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                          eiger3970 0 @Patch
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                          @Patch thanks, your reply seems right.
                          The setup is now working, but I haven’t got my head 100% around it yet.
                          I’m figuring out how to make a clear and correct topology for easy understanding and replication.

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                            eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
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                            @eiger3970-0 I have created a new topology map. topology map.

                            However, I am unclear the the packet routes?
                            As per ip route, line 2 is the default route of this host machine Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Desktop.
                            100.64.0.1 came from a DHCP, but where is the DHCP from, the VM router or the ISP?

                            ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip -c a
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp2s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master local-br1.1 state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 46:9e:01:27:db:0d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff permaddr 1c:61:b4:6d:38:4f
3: enp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether a8:a1:59:6e:1f:8b brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 100.76.25.213/10 brd 100.127.255.255 scope global dynamic noprefixroute enp3s0
       valid_lft 168sec preferred_lft 168sec
    inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:7b54:ac94:277b:140f/64 scope global temporary deprecated dynamic 
       valid_lft 234sec preferred_lft 0sec
    inet6 2406:2d40:4100:8fb2:f995:e028:b158:4865/64 scope global dynamic mngtmpaddr noprefixroute 
       valid_lft 234sec preferred_lft 84sec
    inet6 fe80::8cc1:c5d0:5e3e:28b1/64 scope link noprefixroute 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: virbr0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 52:54:00:94:0d:bb brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.122.1/24 brd 192.168.122.255 scope global virbr0
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
5: local-br1.1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether 2e:f6:bf:42:0c:f8 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.1.120/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global noprefixroute local-br1.1
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
6: vnet0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master local-br1.1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:3d:53:41 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe3d:5341/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
7: vnet1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master virbr0 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:a3:f6:c4 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fea3:f6c4/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
16: vnet3: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master local-br1.1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:8d:31:06 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fe8d:3106/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
17: vnet4: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master local-br1.1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:f7:f9:e5 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:fef7:f9e5/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
18: vnet5: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master local-br1.1 state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000
    link/ether fe:54:00:b6:35:37 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet6 fe80::fc54:ff:feb6:3537/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

                            ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ arp -n
Address                  HWtype  HWaddress           Flags Mask            Iface
192.168.1.160            ether   3c:2a:f4:60:b5:7b   C                     local-br1.1
192.168.1.1              ether   52:54:00:3d:53:41   C                     local-br1.1
192.168.122.149          ether   52:54:00:a3:f6:c4   C                     virbr0
192.168.1.102            ether   52:54:00:8d:31:06   C                     local-br1.1
192.168.1.100            ether   1c:ca:e3:77:c5:53   C                     local-br1.1
100.64.0.1               ether   00:00:5e:00:01:01   C                     enp3s0

                            ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ ip route
default via 100.64.0.1 dev enp3s0 proto dhcp metric 102 
34.120.255.244 dev enp3s0 proto dhcp scope link metric 102 
100.64.0.0/10 dev enp3s0 proto kernel scope link src 100.76.25.213 metric 102 
169.254.0.0/16 dev virbr0 scope link metric 1000 
192.168.1.0/24 dev local-br1.1 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.120 metric 425 
192.168.100.1 dev enp3s0 proto dhcp scope link metric 102 
192.168.122.0/24 dev virbr0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.122.1
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                              eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
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                              @eiger3970-0 updated version of topology map.

                              ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/netplan$ route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
default         _gateway        0.0.0.0         UG    102    0        0 enp3s0
244.255.120.34. 0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    102    0        0 enp3s0
100.64.0.0      0.0.0.0         255.192.0.0     U     102    0        0 enp3s0
link-local      0.0.0.0         255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 virbr0
192.168.1.0     0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     425    0        0 local-br1.1
192.168.100.1   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.255 UH    102    0        0 enp3s0
192.168.122.0   0.0.0.0         255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 virbr0

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                                  eiger3970 0 @eiger3970 0
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                                  @eiger3970-0 this is as far as I can create the topology map
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                                    Patch @eiger3970 0
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                                    @eiger3970-0 A bridge is the virtual equivalent of a multi-port switch.

                                    You will need two virtual switches / bridges

                                    • Wan bridge connects the physical NIC you want to use for WAN connection your VM routers WAN virtual NIC. I think you a meaning to use vbr0 for this but have not connected to your router VM's Wan virtual NIC.

                                    • Lan bridge connects the phyiscal NIC you want to use to connect to your physical 24 port switch externally. It also connects your VM which need LAN access (KVM X, Y, Z) as well as your hypervisor network access and your virtual routers Lan virtual NIC. I think you have sort of used vbr1 for this.

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                                      eiger3970 0 @Patch
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                                      @Patch Thanks, this is working now, just need to sort out some port forwards.

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