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    23.09d - Is QAT Broken?

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      jaltman @RobbieTT
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      @RobbieTT Does anyone know if FreeBSD builds and packages the openssl3 qaengine for FreeBSD 14? If so, perhaps it can be easily pulled into pfSense or turned into a pfSense package that can be optionally installed.

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        RobbieTT @jaltman
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        @jaltman
        Unsure as the Intel documentation for BSD seems to top-out at BSD 13.1. With QAT functionality as we know it was only embraced with 13.0 that part of the document set is quite undeveloped (at least on the versions I can find - there may be updated docs hiding somewhere).

        There was a significant change in QAT capabilities in freeBSD between 13.1 and 14.0:

        freeBSD 13.1

        DESCRIPTION
               The  qat	 driver	 implements  crypto(4) support for some	of the crypto-
               graphic acceleration functions of the Intel QuickAssist	(QAT)  device.
               The  qat	driver supports	the QAT	devices	integrated with	Atom C2000 and
               C3000 and Xeon C620 and D-1500 platforms, and  the  Intel  QAT  Adapter
               8950.   Other  platforms	 and adapters not listed here may also be sup-
               ported.	QAT devices are	enumerated through PCIe	and are	 thus  visible
               in pciconf(8) output.
        
               The  qat	 driver	 can  accelerate  AES in CBC, CTR, XTS (except for the
               C2000) and GCM modes, and can perform authenticated encryption  combin-
               ing  the	 CBC, CTR and XTS modes	with SHA1-HMAC and SHA2-HMAC.  The qat
               driver can also compute SHA1 and	SHA2 digests.  The  implementation  of
               AES-GCM	has a firmware-imposed constraint that the length of any addi-
               tional authenticated data (AAD) must not	exceed 240 bytes.  The	driver
               thus rejects crypto(9) requests that do not satisfy this	constraint.
        

        freeBSD 14.0

        DESCRIPTION
               The qat driver supports cryptography and	 compression  acceleration  of
               the Intel (R) QuickAssist Technology (QAT) devices.
        
               The qat driver is intended for platforms	that contain:
               o   Intel (R) C62x Chipset
               o   Intel (R) Atom C3000	processor product family
               o   Intel  (R)  QuickAssist  Adapter 8960/Intel (R) QuickAssist Adapter
        	   8970	(formerly known	as "Lewis Hill")
               o   Intel (R) Communications Chipset 8925 to 8955 Series
               o   Intel (R) Atom P5300	processor product family
               o   Intel (R) QAT 4xxx Series
        
               The qat driver supports cryptography and	compression  acceleration.   A
               complete	 API  for offloading these operations is exposed in the	kernel
               and may be used by any other entity directly.  For details of usage and
               supported operations and	algorithms refer to the	 following  documenta-
               tion available from 01.org:
               o   Intel (R), QuickAssist Technology API Programmer's Guide.
               o   Intel  (R),	QuickAssist  Technology	 Cryptographic	API  Reference
        	   Manual.
               o   Intel (R), QuickAssist Technology Data  Compression	API  Reference
        	   Manual.
               o   Intel (R), QuickAssist Technology Performance Optimization Guide.
        
               In addition to exposing complete	kernel API for offloading cryptography
               and  compression	 operations,  the  qat	driver	also  integrates  with
               crypto(4), allowing offloading supported	cryptography operations	to In-
               tel (R) QuickAssist Technology (QAT) devices.  For details of usage and
               supported operations and	algorithms refer  to  the  documentation  men-
               tioned above and	"SEE ALSO" section.
        

        So it appears that 13.1 was limited to 'some' kernel cryptographics with only 14.0 unleashing full QAT and exposing all of the API for use by other entities (even including compression/decompression, gzip, QATzip etc).

        With pfSense+ leaping directly to freeBSD 14.0 the reduced feature set of 13.1+ should not be a factor but as to what is missing from pfSense+ to make use of the more expansive set of BSD 14.0 capabilities is unclear to me. Indeed, it looks like pfSense+ went to the effort of including all the upstream BSD files needed to run the complete set of QAT capabilities.

        It's why I wasn't surprised to see QAT apparently working in 23.05.1 and why I assumed an error prevented it working in 23.09d. Now I just don't have a clue as to what is or isn't intended for pfSense+.

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          jaltman @RobbieTT
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          @RobbieTT all of that is discussing the kernel. It says nothing about OpenSSL and without the OpenSSL qatengine there can be no use of QAT for SSL/TLS, SSH or any other application or protocol implemented in user space which relies on libcrypto for cryptographic algorithms.

          Until FreeBSD ships the OpenSSL QAT engine I would not expect to see it in pfsense.

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            RobbieTT @jaltman
            last edited by RobbieTT

            @jaltman It opens QAT beyond the kernel via the API - indeed, it directly references the API and user space capabilities. I don't know how they could say it more explicitly than in the quote:

            A complete API for offloading these operations is exposed in the kernel and may be used by any other entity directly.

            They also give examples of user space functions up to and including compression.

            I don't doubt that there is something missing with OpenSSL in pfSense+ but I am not sure we can point the finger at freeBSD 14.0 in its non-pfSense guise.

            ☕️

            (If you have tested freeBSD 14.0 separately and found it to be lacking then please accept my apologies and disregard the above.)

            https://github.com/intel/QAT_Engine/blob/master/docs/software_requirements.md
            https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=qat&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-STABLE&arch=default&format=html

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              jaltman @RobbieTT
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              @RobbieTT What you are quoting from is the features of the driver. Simply because the driver is present does not mean that applications use it. Most of the applications that you care about nginx, apache, sshd, ssh, curl, etc are all linked against OpenSSL's libcrypto. The QAT support is simply unavailable to them unless OpenSSL is built with the options required to use the QAT engine and if the QAT engine is installed and loaded via the openssl.conf file in use by the application.

              I've installed FreeBSD-14.0-BETA4-amd64. openssl is not built with QAT support and the qatengine is not packaged. The FreeBSD Ports Search has alternative builds of openssl but none of them include QAT support.

              I think we can put this discussion to bed.

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                RobbieTT @jaltman
                last edited by RobbieTT

                @jaltman So it just comes down to the version of OpenSSL being used is not built with QAT support?

                I ask because openSSL v3.0.10 is specifically called for in the freeBSD QAT requirements and pfSense uses that very same version:

                /root: openssl version
                OpenSSL 3.0.10 1 Aug 2023 (Library: OpenSSL 3.0.10 1 Aug 2023)
                
                

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                  jaltman @RobbieTT
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                  @RobbieTT OpenSSL 3.0 is used by FreeBSD but the QAT Engine and its dependencies (ipp-crypto-mb, ipsec-mb, qatlib) are not part of the base OpenSSL 3.0 build.

                  For example, on Fedora Linux you need to install

                    intel-ipp-crypto-mb-1.0.8-3.fc37.x86_64        intel-ipsec-mb-1.4.0-1.fc37.x86_64          qatengine-1.4.0-1.fc37.x86_64       
                    qatlib-23.02.0-1.fc37.x86_64                   qatlib-service-23.02.0-1.fc37.x86_64      
                  

                  only then can the OpenSSL QAT Engine be used

                  [jaltman@fc36]$ ls /usr/lib64/engines-3/
                  afalg.so  capi.so  libpkcs11.so  loader_attic.so  padlock.so  pkcs11.so  qatengine.so
                  [jaltman@fc37]$ openssl engine -t -c -v qatengine
                  QAT_SW - Processor unsupported: AVX512F = 0, VAES = 0, VPCLMULQDQ = 0
                  (qatengine) Reference implementation of QAT crypto engine(qat_hw & qat_sw) v1.4.0
                   [RSA, AES-128-CBC-HMAC-SHA256, AES-256-CBC-HMAC-SHA256, ChaCha20-Poly1305, id-aes128-GCM, id-aes192-GCM, id-aes256-GCM, SHA3-256, SHA3-384, SHA3-512, TLS1-PRF, X25519, X448, SM2]
                       [ available ]
                       ENABLE_EXTERNAL_POLLING, POLL, SET_INSTANCE_FOR_THREAD, 
                       GET_NUM_OP_RETRIES, SET_MAX_RETRY_COUNT, SET_INTERNAL_POLL_INTERVAL, 
                       GET_EXTERNAL_POLLING_FD, ENABLE_EVENT_DRIVEN_POLLING_MODE, 
                       GET_NUM_CRYPTO_INSTANCES, DISABLE_EVENT_DRIVEN_POLLING_MODE, 
                       SET_EPOLL_TIMEOUT, SET_CRYPTO_SMALL_PACKET_OFFLOAD_THRESHOLD, 
                       ENABLE_INLINE_POLLING, ENABLE_HEURISTIC_POLLING, 
                       GET_NUM_REQUESTS_IN_FLIGHT, INIT_ENGINE, SET_CONFIGURATION_SECTION_NAME, 
                       ENABLE_SW_FALLBACK, HEARTBEAT_POLL, DISABLE_QAT_OFFLOAD, HW_ALGO_BITMAP, 
                       SW_ALGO_BITMAP
                  

                  As far as I can tell there is no qatengine.so packaged for OpenSSL 3.0, 3.1 or 3.2 on FreeBSD 14. Hence it cannot be installed and cannot be used.

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                    Mmm, as I read it OpenSSL requires the qat engine module to use it in user mode. Interesting that it does use it in 23.05... 🤔

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                      michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
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                      @stephenw10 following this thread for a while and that’s the general concern here. Why is this behavior different?

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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                        It's almost certainly because we moved to OpenSSL 3 and there is fallout from that. Most of that has been resolved. Since user mode encryption off-load is generally not supported this was probably just overlooked. I'll see what I can do when I'm home tomorrow.

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                          michmoor LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
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                          @stephenw10 thank you. Appreciate the quick response

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                          • jimpJ
                            jimp Rebel Alliance Developer Netgate
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                            I'm still not convinced anyone has accurately demonstrated that it was working on 23.05.1. There isn't any evidence that it was, just what may be coincidental increased in interrupt usage.

                            And I think people missed the fact that there is support for userspace QAT in the 14 kernel driver but it's only for 4xxx devices. (See my post here: https://forum.netgate.com/post/1128163 )

                            And the 14 man page:

                            https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=qat&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-STABLE&arch=default&format=html

                               cfg_mode
                                 Override	the device mode	configuration  for  kernel  space  and
                                 user  space  instances.	 Possible values: "ks",	"us", "ks;us".
                                 Default value "ks;us".
                            

                            If userspace QAT was working on 23.05.1, anyone could replicate the results being claimed, but so far nobody else has been able to.

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                              RobbieTT @stephenw10
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                              @stephenw10 said in 23.09d - Is QAT Broken?:

                              Mmm, as I read it OpenSSL requires the qat engine module to use it in user mode. Interesting that it does use it in 23.05... 🤔

                              Quite a few things have changed with 23.09d. The library of files used by OpenSSL is more expansive, the config files have changed and other new elements (eg Kea) have become users of OpenSSL.

                              Moving from the QAT-focused OpenSSL 1.1.1t-freebsd to the later OpenSSL 3.0.10 is also a significant delta.

                              There are other oddities between 23.05 and 23.09d. For example, the openssl engine on 23.05 used:

                              [23.05.1-RELEASE] /root: openssl engine 
                              (devcrypto) /dev/crypto engine
                              (rdrand) Intel RDRAND engine
                              (dynamic) Dynamic engine loading support
                              [23.05.1-RELEASE] /root: 
                              

                              With 23.09d the devcrypto line has been removed:

                              [23.09-DEVELOPMENT] /root: openssl engine
                              (rdrand) Intel RDRAND engine
                              (dynamic) Dynamic engine loading support
                              [23.09-DEVELOPMENT]/root:
                              

                              There also appears to be no /usr/lib/engines/qatengine.so file or indeed a qatengine.so anywhere on the system.

                              I have no difficulty replicating the QAT interrupts on 23.05.1. They don't increment by themselves, only when the firewall is doing a relevant task eg TLS/SSL. A simple DoT Dig that is forwarded is enough to increment, as will a curl, package update etc. Not sure I am believed though, for reasons that escape me.

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                                RobbieTT @jimp
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                                @jimp said in 23.09d - Is QAT Broken?:

                                And I think people missed the fact that there is support for userspace QAT in the 14 kernel driver but it's only for 4xxx devices. (See my post here: https://forum.netgate.com/post/1128163 )

                                And the 14 man page:

                                https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=qat&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-STABLE&arch=default&format=html

                                Jim, the 4xxx message could be linked to an errata elsewhere in pfSense as it has been missed from one of the lists. It is included in the actual FW lists though. There was a post on this subject a few days ago which @stephenw10 covered. Of course, being a later QAT generation, it will have key differences to the earlier generations QAT in the C3xxx and probably adds a brace of expanded capabilities.

                                The man pages you linked to makes no mention of userspace being limited to 4xxx either and it is grouped in the same list as the C3xxx. That does not make it untrue either, just less than clear.

                                I agree though that 23.09d is limited to kernel space (ks) only but I don't think that is attributed to freeBSD 14.0 alone. That change may have been brought about by pfSense+ and its current configuration.

                                pfSense 23.05.1 is also on freeBSD 14 and it is flagged to run in the default kernel space + user space (ks;us) mode.

                                23.05.1:

                                [23.05.1-RELEASE]/root: sysctl -a | grep "cfg"
                                hw.pci.mcfg: 1
                                dev.qat.0.dev_cfg: [GENERAL]
                                [23.05.1-RELEASE]/root: 
                                

                                23.09d - 'us' mode has been disabled, leaving only 'ks' mode enabled:

                                [23.09-DEVELOPMENT]/root: sysctl -a | grep "cfg"
                                hw.pci.mcfg: 1
                                dev.qat.0.dev_cfg: [GENERAL]
                                dev.qat.0.cfg_mode: ks
                                dev.qat.0.cfg_services: sym;dc
                                [23.09-DEVELOPMENT]/root: 
                                

                                I really hope someone will check my findings as not being believed feels pretty odd.

                                ☕️

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                                  jaltman @stephenw10
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                                  @stephenw10 said in 23.09d - Is QAT Broken?:

                                  Mmm, as I read it OpenSSL requires the qat engine module to use it in user mode. Interesting that it does use it in 23.05... 🤔

                                  OpenSSL 1.1.x also requires the QAT Engine in order to support use of QuickAssist. The Intel QAT Engine for OpenSSL was developed against OpenSSL 1.1 on FreeBSD 12.4. However, that release doesn't package or ship the engine.

                                  I have seen no evidence on my 4100 when running 23.05.1 that QAT is being used by userspace. There is a small increase in the qat counters in kernel but I cannot believe that they are result of any userspace cryptographic or compression or signing operations.

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                                    jaltman @RobbieTT
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                                    @RobbieTT said in 23.09d - Is QAT Broken?:

                                    [23.05.1-RELEASE] /root: openssl engine
                                    (devcrypto) /dev/crypto engine

                                    It is possible that QAT on 23.05.1 is triggered for random number generation since /dev/crypto operates in kernel and has access to QAT. Any such usage would not be for encryption, compression or signing of actual network traffic.

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                                      jaltman @RobbieTT
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                                      @RobbieTT said in 23.09d - Is QAT Broken?:

                                      I have no difficulty replicating the QAT interrupts on 23.05.1. They don't increment by themselves, only when the firewall is doing a relevant task eg TLS/SSL. A simple DoT Dig that is forwarded is enough to increment, as will a curl, package update etc. Not sure I am believed though, for reasons that escape me.

                                      I believe that the interrupts occur because I see them as well. I do not believe that it has anything to do with use of QAT to encrypt, sign, or compress network traffic because I understand how QAT plugs into OpenSSL libcrypto and none of nginx, apache, curl, sshd, ssh, kerberos, etc that rely upon libcrypto for encryption, signing and compression primitives would contain any internal code to call into the QAT driver.

                                      libz also has to be built custom in order to make use of QAT.

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                                        jaltman @jaltman
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                                        I've sent private mail to Bernard Spil, the maintainer of OpenSSL for FreeBSD, asking him if and how QAT is supported in the FreeBSD builds.
                                        I will report on his response when I receive it.

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                                          RobbieTT @jaltman
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                                          @jaltman That would be enormously helpful - thank you. 👍

                                          ☕️

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                                            Mmm, if it was supported in user-space I would expect to be able to see it very easily when using OpenVPN without DCO mode. With DCO is uses the kernel-mode crypto framework.

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