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    Do UPnP rules not expire?

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    • stephenw10S
      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @Wolf666
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      @Wolf666 said in Do UPnP rules not expire?:

      Tested after I removed manually the states:

      Like you just deleted the firewall states in Diag > States?

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        Wolf666 @stephenw10
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        @stephenw10
        No, I just manually cleared the mapped ports from UPnP status page. I used wrong wording.

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        • stephenw10S
          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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          Hmm, it's odd that it doesn't show a session time for the port forward. Does it ever show a time? If you check just after it's been opened?

          Does the error in the log appear after, say, 1 hr?

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            Wolf666 @stephenw10
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            @stephenw10
            Just clear all mapped ports while PS% was on, started to play Destiny:

            PS C:\upnpc> ./upnpc-static -l
            upnpc : miniupnpc library test client, version 2.2.3.
             (c) 2005-2022 Thomas Bernard.
            Go to http://miniupnp.free.fr/ or https://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/
            for more information.
            List of UPNP devices found on the network :
             desc: http://192.168.1.10:2189/rootDesc.xml
             st: urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:InternetGatewayDevice:1
            
            Found valid IGD : http://192.168.1.10:2189/ctl/IPConn
            Local LAN ip address : 192.168.1.81
            Connection Type : IP_Routed
            Status : Connected, uptime=76s, LastConnectionError : ERROR_NONE
              Time started : Mon Dec 23 18:09:32 2024
            MaxBitRateDown : 1000000000 bps (1000.0 Mbps)   MaxBitRateUp 300000000 bps (300.0 Mbps)
            ExternalIPAddress = 82.84.92.142
             i protocol exPort->inAddr:inPort description remoteHost leaseTime
             0 UDP  3074->192.168.1.50:3074  'DemonwarePortMapping' '' 0
            GetGenericPortMappingEntry() returned 713 (SpecifiedArrayIndexInvalid)
            PS C:\upnpc>
            

            Now I will close the game, switch off the PS5 and see what's going to happen in 1 hour.

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              Still shows 0 leasetime though. I'm not sure how it determines when to 'expire' it.

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                Wolf666 @stephenw10
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                @stephenw10
                In fact the mapped port 3074 is still there.
                There is only 1 state active not related to upnp:

                WAN	tcp	82.84.92.142:65206 (192.168.1.50:65206) -> 34.214.130.96:443	ESTABLISHED:ESTABLISHED	714 / 364	50 KiB / 32 KiB
                

                I am not an IT expert and I really don’t have any further idea on this.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  Do you still see the error in the upnp logs showing it failing to remove the forward though?

                  It looks like the forward is being opened without a leasetime and I'm unsure what should happen in that situation. I can create a similar lease manually by defining 0s specifically:

                  steve@steve-NUC9i9QNX:~$ upnpc -l
                  upnpc : miniupnpc library test client, version 2.2.3.
                   (c) 2005-2021 Thomas Bernard.
                  Go to http://miniupnp.free.fr/ or https://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/
                  for more information.
                  List of UPNP devices found on the network :
                   desc: http://172.21.16.1:2189/rootDesc.xml
                   st: urn:schemas-upnp-org:device:InternetGatewayDevice:1
                  
                  Found valid IGD : http://172.21.16.1:2189/ctl/IPConn
                  Local LAN ip address : 172.21.16.8
                  Connection Type : IP_Routed
                  Status : Connected, uptime=1291945s, LastConnectionError : ERROR_NONE
                    Time started : Mon Dec  9 00:31:38 2024
                  MaxBitRateDown : 1000000000 bps (1000.0 Mbps)   MaxBitRateUp 1000000000 bps (1000.0 Mbps)
                  ExternalIPAddress = 45.89.45.8
                   i protocol exPort->inAddr:inPort description remoteHost leaseTime
                   0 UDP  8889->172.21.16.8:8889  'Test2' '' 0
                  GetGenericPortMappingEntry() returned 713 (SpecifiedArrayIndexInvalid)
                  

                  I'll see what happens.

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                  • stephenw10S
                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                    Also by omitting a lease time value.

                    I wonder if it should add a default and is not.... 🤔

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                      Mmm, this thread seems pretty revealing: https://miniupnp.tuxfamily.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5727#5727

                      Seems like the behaviour you're seeing is expected is the client opens forward with no lease time.

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                        Wolf666 @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10
                        Yes that forum thread explains the behavior. I cannot do anything except removing mapped port manually. From a security point of view the consoles have their own IP assigned so it is ok if the mapped port are there until I remove them manually. Only consoles have access to UPnP service with proper “allow” and IP, other IP are denied by default in the Service ACL.
                        Thanks for help and time.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          Mmm, I tried added min and max lifetime options to the conf and it made absolutely no difference I could see! 🙄

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