Everyday people try to hack in with ssh.
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Non default ports do not add security. Do not expose SSH, if you must, limit the IP addresses which can access it and use key based authentication instead of password based authentication.
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Of course a non-standard port adds security. How much is a debatable question, but I know from my own experience (and others) that we see far fewer attempts on non-standard ports than the standard port 22.
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It adds obscurity, not security. That it stops the automated tools is certainly convenient though ;)
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Well, now we're quibbling about the definition of security :) I don't see this any different from having a harder to guess password - something everyone says "adds security".
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I always use certificate based authentication on my ssh servers. I've never had to worry about a brute-force attack as a result.
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Of course a non-standard port adds security. How much is a debatable question, but I know from my own experience (and others) that we see far fewer attempts on non-standard ports than the standard port 22.
You're talking about security theater instead of security. Having SSH on a non-standard port doesn't protect against service scanning, it just limits the number of robot-scanners trying to guess bad passwords. If you are running a vulnerable SSHd, or you have bad passwords in place, running SSH on a non-standard port isn't going to protect you.
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I think we have to agree to disagree here. As far as weak passwords or exploitable sshd, nice strawman - I never said otherwise. Again, if you have to try 20000 different ports * N different passwords, this is several orders of magnitude more difficult than hitting one well-known port. By your logic, having a longer password with mixed case, etc, is just security theater? If not, please explain more clearly why one is good and the other theater?
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In real world terms:
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Moving your SSH port is like moving where the lock on the door is - it'll stop dumb automated attacks but nothing more
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Picking a strong password is like picking a strong lock - it makes it harder for every attacker
That's not to say that there isn't a slight gain from moving the port (I do it myself to cut down the noise in my logs), but it isn't really security in any meaningful sense.
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Well, all I can say is if it only really helps against dumb automated scanners, that is the great preponderance of threats to ssh (I say this not just from personal experience, but from a wide range of people I've talked to, who monitor any attempts to hack their systems.)
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Which is the point of our argument. Automated scanners trying to guess obvious passwords are already defeated either by using good password security, ACLs or key based authentication. Changing the default port adds no additional security.
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Okay, I see your point. I was looking at it from the PoV of someone's home network trying to figure out how to reduce threats, but yeah, you have a point.
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Changing to an alternate port does help cut down on log spam though, and if your logs are more relevant it's easier to spot a potential security issue or targeted breach when you don't have to sort through a bazillion automated attacks.
