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    DMZ for a wireless host?

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      kathampy
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      Then your network security has already failed. Just enable uPNP for your device.

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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        Who's network security failed?  Mine?  UPnP was enabled for ONLY the PS3 IP, and ONLY for ports to it's IP – while not a fan of UPnP in general..  Since the ps3 is on a isolated wlan segment anyway and it can only open ports to itself, I doubt its much of a security concern to be honest.

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          kathampy
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          Oh nevermind. I thought you were the OP.

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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            What does who the OP have to do with your comment?  Do you believe opening up UPnP is a of security concern?

            If so - then why did you suggest it?
            " If you enable uPNP it uses different ports for each device."

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              Sit_RP
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              Hey Guys,

              I personally consider UPnP a security concern but I don't really care about it in this scenario. Pfsense box is not behind the NAT. It is directly connected to the cable modem. Port forwarding is not working for me for some reason. The only way that I figured out how to make it work is to setup 1-1 NAT and open everything inbound…It works...I just disable it when I am done since it breaks my OPEN VPN. UPnP would have been my best choice if switch or host was directly connected to the Pfsense box. Unfortunately, my topology looks like this:

              wireless AP > switch > Cisco router > Meraki firewall (only does IDS/IPS) > Pfsense firewall.

              If I connect my PS3 directly into Pfsense and enable UPnP on that port everything works, but unfortunately PS VITA is wireless. I guess I can find a cheap wireless AP and run it in bridge mode. From there I can connect it directly to Pfsense and enable UPnP on that. Just don't get why port forwarding is not working....

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                My sons ps3 is wireless and has no issues with UPnP..

                So what is your cisco router doing..  No nat?  So you have internal routing to different segments going on?  And your Meraki is in transparent bridge mode?  Or is layer 3 as well another segment?

                If 1:1 works, then your doing the forwards wrong or not the correct ports.

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                  kathampy
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                  @johnpoz:

                  What does who the OP have to do with your comment?  Do you believe opening up UPnP is a of security concern?

                  If so - then why did you suggest it?
                  " If you enable uPNP it uses different ports for each device."

                  Because the OP wanted a DMZ. But if he had other LAN devices which also had port forwards, this made the DMZ pointless and he might as well enable uPNP on the LAN (and just for that particular console's IP address like you've done).

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                    Sit_RP
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                    @johnpoz:

                    My sons ps3 is wireless and has no issues with UPnP..

                    So what is your cisco router doing..  No nat?  So you have internal routing to different segments going on?  And your Meraki is in transparent bridge mode?  Or is layer 3 as well another segment?

                    If 1:1 works, then your doing the forwards wrong or not the correct ports.

                    Cisco is there basicly for DHCP and nothing else. I removed it out of the mix last week and there was no changes on my network. I have to keep it in because my meraki firewall MX60 doesn't do DHCP in the bridge mode. Meraki AP is running in the bridge mode as well. I though that I might be doing port forwarding wrong but can't make it work. It appears UPnP working only if you have a host connected directly to the pfsense box. If I connect switch or AP (in bridge mode) to it UPnP works. Since I have cisco router and meraki firewall in between the host and pfsense, it seems like UPnP multicast messages are not reaching or not regestering on Pfsense box. 1 to 1 NAT definitely works with everything allowed inbound. I am gonna give port forwarding another try, but I couldn't make it work before…

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                      kathampy
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                      If you have another router between pfSense and the hosts both port forwarding and uPNP are not going to work. If your other firewall is in bridged mode, you should be able to run DHCP directly on pfSense and remove the additional router.

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                        ^ took the words out of my mouth ;)

                        But what does not make sense is that he says 1:1 nat is working - if that works, then however he is using that router or other firewall should have nothing to do with it.

                        As to why he is not running dhcp on pfsense in the first place I have no idea..  Why would you put in "router" just to provide dhcp?  Could run that on any box or vm in the network if need be - but why when pfsense has a nice little gui to use for dhcp all ready to go, etc.

                        If you ids/ips that is suppose to be transparent then something is wrong with its config, or your triggering a rule in your IPS, etc.  Or its not as transparent as you think it is ;)

                        Do a simple sniff on your pfsense interface - are you seeing multicast/broadcast traffic?

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