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    Difference between Interface subnet and 192.168.2.0/24

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      kejianshi
      last edited by

      I'm not sure why this would work at all.  I've never seen anyone do this.
      My immediate thought is that you should not be doing this.

      I would like to be able to have multiple instances of pfsense produce multiple firewall tabs that I could manipulate seperately, but I've not seen that ever happen and I have never seen anyone do what you are doing either.

      I think that if I had additional rules to add, I'd be adding them under the OpenVPN Firewall Tab, not a seperate tab.
      How did that tab even get there?  is that a physical interface?

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      • panzP
        panz
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        @kejianshi:

        I'm not sure why this would work at all.  I've never seen anyone do this.
        My immediate thought is that you should not be doing this.

        Why?

        My scheme is:

        1. first OpenVPN is pfsense as client to AirVPN. This allows me to tunnel all the traffic leaving pfsense (LAN, etc.) through a VPN provider.

        2. second OpenVPN is a roadwarrior VPN with pfsense acting as server. It assigns 192.168.2.0/24 addresses and tunnels all the traffic generated by my laptop through the VPN server and then outside pfsense to the Internet through AirVPN client.

        What am I doing wrong???  ::)

        pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
        motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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          doktornotor Banned
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          @panz:

          It works flawlessly only with the second rule…  :(

          If you check the "Topology" checkbox, do both work?

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            kejianshi
            last edited by

            doktornotor - Currently I'm lost…

            I'd probably need a drawing of this to know what is going on.

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              doktornotor Banned
              last edited by

              @kejianshi:

              doktornotor - Currently I'm lost…
              I'd probably need a drawing of this to know what is going on.

              Basically something like this. But with client connected not from LAN, but via OVPN.

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                kejianshi
                last edited by

                I'll just watch and see how this goes…  Thanks.

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                • panzP
                  panz
                  last edited by

                  @kejianshi:

                  doktornotor - Currently I'm lost…

                  I'd probably need a drawing of this to know what is going on.

                  WAN (ISP) –-- pfsense ---- LAN

                  So, pfsense has 2 physical interfaces: LAN & WAN. WAN has a public IP; LAN is 192.168.1.0/24 (pfsense is 192.168.1.1).

                  Then I setup pfsense as client to AirVPN (a VPN service provider) so all my traffic is sent via VPN. Here's my NAT scheme:

                  Then, I want to use my laptop with maximum security, so I setup a roadwarrior conf with pfsense acting as an OpenVPN server (tunnel is 192.168.2.0/24).

                  Then, to prevent DNS leaks and LAN clients using Internet when AirVPN is down, I setup 2 floating rules:

                  where MY_DNS_ADDRESSES is an alias to my favorite DNS servers (OpenNIC).

                  Now I'm experimenting with firewall rules because, as far as I know, now my "exposed" interface is OpenVPN (because all my Internet traffic comes from there).

                  pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
                  motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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                    doktornotor Banned
                    last edited by

                    Wasn't my question. Let me ask again:

                    If you check the "Topology" checkbox, do both work (i.e., OPT3 subnet being the same as /24)?

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                    • panzP
                      panz
                      last edited by

                      @doktornotor:

                      Wasn't my question. Let me ask again:

                      If you check the "Topology" checkbox, do both work (i.e., OPT3 subnet being the same as /24)?

                      There's only 1 (roadwarrior) client and it has 192.168.2.6 address.

                      pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
                      motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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                        doktornotor Banned
                        last edited by

                        The question still remains the same. See the OpenVPN docs on net30 for the reason I'm asking.

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                        • panzP
                          panz
                          last edited by

                          Yes, now checking that, the first rule works… so... why?

                          pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
                          motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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                            doktornotor Banned
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                            Well, because /30 is not /24  :P

                            net30 – Use a point-to-point topology, by allocating one /30 subnet per client.
                            subnet -- Use a subnet rather than a point-to-point topology by configuring the tun interface with a local IP address and subnet mask

                            Documentation. Also comparing the ifconfig output for both modes should be pretty much enlightening.

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                              kejianshi
                              last edited by

                              OK - So, your pfsense is a client to a vpn service and then your pfsense is also running an openvpn server to which your laptop/computer is a client while inside your own LAN?  Do I have this wrong?

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                                phil.davis
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                                Look in /tmp/rules.debug - down the end you will see the user rules generated from the Firewall Rules tabs. You will be able to see exactly what rules it generates for OPT3. I suspect it gets a different idea about OPT3 Subnet depending if it is set to topology or not. One way may treat it as a /30 and the other as the full tunnel network range.

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                                  panz
                                  last edited by

                                  Oh, yes, I understand that. But my question was: why does OPT subnet and 192.168.2.0/24 was not the same?

                                  I understand this IF topology is net30, so is a peer-to-peer like connection.

                                  But the previous scheme was ALL /24. Why this doesn't work?

                                  pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
                                  motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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                                    doktornotor Banned
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                                    @panz:

                                    Oh, yes, I understand that. But my question was: why does OPT subnet and 192.168.2.0/24 was not the same?

                                    Please, type ifconfig to console. For both modes. Compare the OPT3/ovpns? output.

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                                      panz
                                      last edited by

                                      @kejianshi:

                                      OK - So, your pfsense is a client to a vpn service and then your pfsense is also running an openvpn server to which your laptop/computer is a client while inside your own LAN?  Do I have this wrong?

                                      laptop/computer is a client while I'm out (for eg. at a Strabucks coffee).

                                      pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
                                      motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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                                        kejianshi
                                        last edited by

                                        OK - I see.

                                        When you VPN into your pfsense from your laptop when you are out does all that traffic then go out over the VPN pfsense is client too?

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                                        • panzP
                                          panz
                                          last edited by

                                          @kejianshi:

                                          OK - I see.

                                          When you VPN into your pfsense from your laptop when you are out does all that traffic then go out over the VPN pfsense is client too?

                                          Yes.

                                          pfSense 2.3.2-RELEASE-p1 (amd64)
                                          motherboard: MSI C847MS-E33 Micro ATX (with Intel Celeron CPU 847 @ 1.10 GHz) ~ PSU: Corsair VS350 ~ RAM: Kingston KVR1333D3E9S 4096 MB 240-pin DIMM DDR3 SDRAM 1.5 volt ~ NIC: Intel EXPI9301CTBLK (LAN) ~ NIC: D-Link DFE-528TX (CAM) ~ Hard Disk: Western Digital WD10JFCX Red ~ Case: Cooler Master HAF XB ~ power consumption: 21 Watts.

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                                            kejianshi
                                            last edited by

                                            haha - I see where this is going…  Good one.

                                            I take it AirVPN doesn't have a bandwidth usage cap?

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