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ICMP pings still timing out despite ICMP traffic being reported as passed

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  • J
    JacktheSmack
    last edited by Oct 19, 2013, 8:59 AM

    So this started out with Battlefield 3 and Battlefield 4 not displaying ping in game (just a dash). After making forum posts on Battlefield's website with no responses, I finally contacted EA support. They showed me a tool called Ultima Online Trace Utility, which does trace routes and polling

    Using the UOTU I can Trace Route their server easo.ea.com with no packet loss. However, when I use the Poll feature I get 100% packet loss. When I unplug my pfsense router and plug directly into my modem, I get 0% packet loss when polling. I did some research and found out that the Polling feature in UOTU might use ICMP. So I allowed ICMP, turned on logging. When I Polled, I still got 100% packet loss. However, in my pfsense firewall logs it says ICMP traffic is being allowed to those addresses successfully. So what's going on? Can anyone try out this tool and see if they can get it working with their router?

    Ultima Online Trace Utility download: ftp://ftp.ea.com/pub/origin/patches/uo/uotrace.exe

    Trace Route and then Poll while connected to pfsense

    pfsense logs on ICMP traffic

    Trace Route and then Poll while directly connected to modem (no pfsense)

    LAN Rule

    WAN Rule

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      nothing
      last edited by Oct 19, 2013, 3:24 PM

      How about turning the NAT on or do a static route on the modem for the pfsense's LAN subnet :)

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        JacktheSmack
        last edited by Oct 19, 2013, 6:18 PM Oct 19, 2013, 6:14 PM

        @nothing:

        How about turning the NAT on or do a static route on the modem for the pfsense's LAN subnet :)

        I created a NAT rule but no changes have taken place.

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          nothing
          last edited by Oct 19, 2013, 7:54 PM

          It's better if you could add static route on the modem, but if that's not possible - NAT should be on the WAN interface and not for ICMP only, but for "any".

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            JacktheSmack
            last edited by Oct 19, 2013, 8:26 PM

            Oops, I realized I already had Automatic outbound NAT rule generation enabled, making that ICMP rule redundant.

            http://i.imgur.com/mUHUG5C.png

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              georgeman
              last edited by Oct 20, 2013, 1:03 AM

              Why don't you create a LAN to any allow rule, but for any protocol? For sure that uses UDP as well

              If it ain't broke, you haven't tampered enough with it

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                JacktheSmack
                last edited by Oct 20, 2013, 1:56 AM

                @georgeman:

                Why don't you create a LAN to any allow rule, but for any protocol? For sure that uses UDP as well

                OK so I set the WAN and LAN rules to allow any traffic, and I am still getting 100% packet loss when I poll. Checking the firewall logs, it says every single connection is being allowed. I searched the IP addresses that matched the UOT Utility, and they all were ICMP.

                http://i.imgur.com/4ED7xv5.png

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                  georgeman
                  last edited by Oct 20, 2013, 2:01 AM

                  Maybe these are packets with IP options? Set the allow rules to allow packets with IP options to pass (advanced option). BTW, I am just guessing now…

                  If it ain't broke, you haven't tampered enough with it

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                    JacktheSmack
                    last edited by Oct 20, 2013, 2:11 AM

                    @georgeman:

                    Maybe these are packets with IP options? Set the allow rules to allow packets with IP options to pass (advanced option). BTW, I am just guessing now…

                    Still not working. Nothing is coming up as blocked in the system logs.

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                      JacktheSmack
                      last edited by Nov 6, 2013, 7:44 PM Nov 6, 2013, 7:42 PM

                      I'm still having this issue. Has anyone downloaded that program and gotten the Poll function to work behind their pfsense router?

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                        timthetortoise
                        last edited by Nov 6, 2013, 8:42 PM

                        No problems here behind NAT with no specific outgoing ICMP rules. I know that some implementations of traceroute use UDP, so you may want to allow that through as well.

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                          JacktheSmack
                          last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 2:10 AM

                          @timthetortoise:

                          No problems here behind NAT with no specific outgoing ICMP rules. I know that some implementations of traceroute use UDP, so you may want to allow that through as well.

                          After it finishes a Traceroute, you have to click Poll. Then it will fill out the columns to the right.

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                            timthetortoise
                            last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 2:42 PM Nov 8, 2013, 2:39 PM

                            Log from traceroute:

                            
                            pass
                            Nov 8 09:37:17	 LAN	  10.100.4.45:137	      159.153.225.30:137	UDP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:37:12	 LAN	  10.100.4.45:137	      159.153.225.5:137	UDP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:37:08	 LAN	  10.100.4.45:137	      10.242.195.225:137	UDP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:37:03	 LAN	  10.100.4.45:137	      10.105.0.1:137	UDP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:37:03	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      159.153.234.54	ICMP
                            
                            

                            Log from polling:

                            
                            pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:17	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      159.153.226.105	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:17	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      159.153.225.30	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:15	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      159.153.225.5	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:14	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      206.126.236.55	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:12	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      96.34.3.89	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:11	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      96.34.0.48	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:09	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      96.34.2.40	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:08	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      96.34.80.126	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:06	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      96.34.84.142	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:05	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      10.242.195.225	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:05	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      x.x.x.x	ICMP
                             pass
                            Nov 8 09:38:05	 LAN	  10.100.4.45	      10.105.0.1	ICMP
                            
                            

                            My suggestion would be to allow any to any from your internal IP and log the traffic. Everything that I can touch, the uo program can touch.

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                              JacktheSmack
                              last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 4:38 PM

                              I made any to any in the WAN rules, with logging, and the only thing that showed up was ICMP packets. I already have any to any in the LAN rules. When I did a Poll, I was still getting 100% loss.

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                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 4:47 PM Nov 8, 2013, 4:42 PM

                                Not having any issues here with polling.

                                I have no special rules other than the default lan rules.. Nat is automatic - you really should not have to do anything for pings to work.

                                So curious - are you behind a double nat.. You hide that second hop in your trace..

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                                  timthetortoise
                                  last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 7:15 PM

                                  Second hop is very likely his public IP.

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                                    timthetortoise
                                    last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 7:20 PM Nov 8, 2013, 7:18 PM

                                    @JacktheSmack:

                                    I made any to any in the WAN rules

                                    Well there's your problem. You're allowing anyone from anywhere into your WAN interface. Firewall rules apply to inbound packets. The ones from you are inbound on your LAN interface, outbound on your WAN interface. Once they've traversed your WAN interface, for all intents and purposes they're considered an established session, and you don't need any rules on your WAN interface to keep it working. Take the any to any rule off of your WAN interface, that's extremely dangerous.

                                    Create a rule like this:

                                    only with your IP instead of mine, and let me know what happens. Make sure that in the "protocol" section you select "any."

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                                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                                      last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 7:54 PM

                                      @timthetortoise:

                                      Second hop is very likely his public IP.

                                      It shouldn't be his ip, the gateway off the segment he is connected too sure, which with most isps prob a large segment - mine for example is a /21  So sure in a privacy concern issue you might want to hide part of that IP range.. But it only gives away a segment he is on that would for example in my case be some 2000 addresses ;)

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                                        timthetortoise
                                        last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 8:32 PM

                                        Yeah, meant gateway. Slow brain day. I've got a /28, so exposing my gateway would not be a great idea. Most people don't get /21s to play around with.

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                                          JacktheSmack
                                          last edited by Nov 8, 2013, 9:33 PM Nov 8, 2013, 8:50 PM

                                          @johnpoz:

                                          @timthetortoise:

                                          Second hop is very likely his public IP.

                                          It shouldn't be his ip, the gateway off the segment he is connected too sure, which with most isps prob a large segment - mine for example is a /21  So sure in a privacy concern issue you might want to hide part of that IP range.. But it only gives away a segment he is on that would for example in my case be some 2000 addresses ;)

                                          It is my WAN IP that I did block out of the picture. My pfSense router is connected to a Motorola SURFboard SB 6121 modem, which should have no routing or firewalling of any kind.

                                          I made the rule exactly as you said, and here it is under pfsense firewall logs.

                                          Edit: While the Poll was cycling through, I unplugged my computer from the pfsense router, unplugged the router from the modem, and plugged my PC directly to the modem. Immediatly I started getting responses. It's not my ISP or modem, it's pfsense. I just need to know what setting I have wrong in my router.

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