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    New shiny hardware C2758 and poor OpenVPN performance. Don't know what to do.

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    • iorxI
      iorx
      last edited by

      Thank you all very much for your swift responses, info and suggestion!

      I see now that this post got a bit coherent, I was testing stuff back and forth at the same time writing this. Hope something is understandable.

      My answer right now isn't going to make you happy I think. The results though brings a smile. I'm now getting this:

      Copying a 7z ~800MB with Windows File Explorer. I've come to the conclusion, if SMB is working OK over a WAN-VPN so are a lot of other things :o. "Real world" as real as I can do I quick test, that is. Many users access files over the VPN and that is with the noisy SMB protocol sadly enough. Synthetic test I've found harder to analyze. Lack of know-how and knowledge on my side probably. I'll have to look into this, maybe iperf can give me a better test.

      Site-to-site
      C2758-to-Xeon E3-1265L(virtual)
      AES-128-CBC, Windows Server 2008/2012 and Windows 7/10
      130-150Mbit/s down
      80-100Mbit/s up

      Site-to-Client
      C2758-to-i7-2640M
      AES-128-CBC, Windows Server 2008/2012 and Windows 7/10, OpenVPN client, the latest export from pfSense.
      140-160Mbit/s down
      60-80Mbit/s up

      Now to the unhappy part. I really don't know which change that made a difference  :-\ Sorry!

      But I'll try going backwards to figure it out.

      Test 1.
      Info: Got some IPSEC tunnels active so was a bit worried about this one. But IPSEC worked as they should after. Have to read up more on that correlation.
      Change: fast-ip-forward set to 1. Reboot.
      Result: Didn't see any major improvement.

      Test 2.
      Info: Some very unscientific tests with mtu and mssfix. Lots of googleing and searching the forums here.
      Change: tun-mtu 1500;mssfix 1400; both Site-to-Site and Client. No reboot, OpenVPN restarts when you make changes and Save(?). Correct?
      Result: No major impact on that either.

      Test 3.
      Info: Chasing ghosts here. Tried something that should only affect some version of Linux kernel but some people indicated that it might help here too. https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=88758.15
      Change: sndbuf 393216;rcvbuf 393216; on both side for Site-to-Site. And for Client access: sndbuf 393216;rcvbuf 393216;push "sndbuf 393216";push "rcvbuf 393216";
      Results: Non that I noticed right away.

      Test (don't remember when in time):
      Change: Maybe not a real change But checked the PowerD settings and did a Save on that page.

      Gave up. This was this afternoon.
      Came back tonight and just for fun tried the file copy again. Wham! >100Mbit/s and the results reported above. I'm satisfied.

      Right now I going through the config-backup to try to figure out with diff function whats been done.  ???

      I'l try to come back with a more precise diag of what made real change. My suspicion right now point to the mtu and mssfix.

      Does this make sense? (192.168.99.100 is a Windows 7x64 machine)

      iperf-2.0.5-cygwin>iperf.exe -c 192.168.1.1 -w 204800 -P 4
      –----------------------------------------------------------
      Client connecting to 192.168.1.1, TCP port 5001
      TCP window size:  200 KByte


      [  5] local 192.168.99.100 port 37923 connected with 192.168.1.1 port 5001
      [  6] local 192.168.99.100 port 37924 connected with 192.168.1.1 port 5001
      [  4] local 192.168.99.100 port 37922 connected with 192.168.1.1 port 5001
      [  3] local 192.168.99.100 port 37921 connected with 192.168.1.1 port 5001
      [ ID] Interval      Transfer    Bandwidth
      [  4]  0.0-10.0 sec  30.4 MBytes  25.4 Mbits/sec
      [  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  30.4 MBytes  25.4 Mbits/sec
      [  6]  0.0-10.1 sec  30.4 MBytes  25.3 Mbits/sec
      [  5]  0.0-10.1 sec  30.5 MBytes  25.4 Mbits/sec
      [SUM]  0.0-10.1 sec  122 MBytes  101 Mbits/sec

      Inside the tunnel Site-to-Site, ping from to the other pfsense.

      PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes
      64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=17.117 ms
      64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=17.273 ms
      64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=17.401 ms

      –- 192.168.1.1 ping statistics ---
      3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
      round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 17.117/17.264/17.401/0.116 ms

      And the other way around.
      PING 192.168.99.1 (192.168.99.1): 56 data bytes
      64 bytes from 192.168.99.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=16.909 ms
      64 bytes from 192.168.99.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=16.943 ms
      64 bytes from 192.168.99.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=17.069 ms

      --- 192.168.99.1 ping statistics ---
      3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0.0% packet loss
      round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 16.909/16.974/17.069/0.069 ms

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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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        If your iperf test is inside your tunnel sure looks like your doing 101Mbps

        [SUM]  0.0-10.1 sec  122 MBytes  101 Mbits/sec

        If find it unlikely that you were doing SMB file copy over 17ms latency at 100mbps, with default 64k window size.. Did you change the window size?  Something was chached your using smb 3.1.1 with multiple streams?

        maximum throughput with a TCP window of 64 KByte and RTT of 17.0 ms <= 30.84 Mbit/sec.

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        • iorxI
          iorx
          last edited by

          Hi again!

          Got some pictures of the SMB-transfers. It sure looks like the data is traveling, not cached. Or have got this backwards :o too?

          Downloading from the server (black)

          Uploading to the server (red, the black download still in the graph). Missed to show copy details. But copy speed was about 5-6MByte/s

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by

            So what was the SMB version used here, was it windows 10 to windows 10? This supports SMB 3.1.1, windows 8 and 2012? With over SMB 3 multichannel was introduced so you can get multiple streams and yes use way more of your pipe over a wan with latency..

            smbver.png
            smbver.png_thumb

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            • iorxI
              iorx
              last edited by

              Shuut! Missed that info.

              For the above tests I used the following.

              Client
              OS Name:                  Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
              OS Version:                6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601

              Server
              OS Name:                  Microsoft Windows Server 2008 R2 Standard
              OS Version:                6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601

              That gives SMB 2.1

              In previous post the transfers shown was from a Windows 10 and 2012 R2
              Cut and paste from previous post.

              https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=100020.msg557355#msg557355
              Site-to-site
              C2758-to-Xeon E3-1265L(virtual)
              AES-128-CBC, Windows Server 2008/2012 and Windows 7/10
              130-150Mbit/s down
              80-100Mbit/s up

              Site-to-Client
              C2758-to-i7-2640M
              AES-128-CBC, Windows Server 2008/2012 and Windows 7/10, OpenVPN client, the latest export from pfSense.
              140-160Mbit/s down
              60-80Mbit/s up

              Here is a Windows 10 and Windows 2012R2 involved. This should be SMB 3.0.2 then.
              (I attached 2 pictures)

              ![windows 10 2012r2 up down.jpg](/public/imported_attachments/1/windows 10 2012r2 up down.jpg)
              ![windows 10 2012r2 up down.jpg_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/windows 10 2012r2 up down.jpg_thumb)
              Namnlös10-2012r2.png
              Namnlös10-2012r2.png_thumb

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              • D
                diablo266
                last edited by

                I'm also running 2.2.4 (amd64) on very similar hardware (C2558) and getting very similar results to you before you had any improvement. Unfortunately i've been unable to make any headway with the suggestions in this thread. I have not tried a downgrade yet though. Does anyone know if this has any potential to be fixed in 2.3?

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                • DerelictD
                  Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                  Try a UDP iperf test across the tunnel increasing -b by about 100M per attempt until you start getting significant drops.

                  You can also temporarily open a source-limited port on the server side and iperf between the two sites outside the tunnel.

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                    last edited by

                    So your seeing 10+ MBytes in that transfer… And you have a 100Mbits per sec pipe.. Yeah that is going to be FULL then..

                    Where is this issue??

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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
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                      He sez it's gig at each end.

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                        Where does "diablo266" say he has 1ge, where does "diablo266" post anything about anything other than a chime in of ME TOO and what you did didn't work for me..

                        I didn't notice it was a different poster at first - I thought OP was still complaining, but as you see he is happy he got his 100mbps the thought he should be seeing..

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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          Both ends Internet connections are 1gbit/s and measures >800mbit from various speed-test-sites.

                          Post 1 - You didn't specify to whom you were speaking.

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                          • johnpozJ
                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                            True as I stated I thought it was same poster when first read it.. My bad…

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