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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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      You do not understand what PHY is??  You need to look that what what PHY is compared to what you will see in real life..

      You actually think that wifi router or AP that says 450mps - is capable of 450mbps??

      Have you been living in a gave.. Did you really get 11mpbs on B, did you get 54bmps with G?  I showed you 360Mbps with iperf.. Why don't you post up your actual iperf tests using real devices vs some phone or tablet..

      Do you make out your inter connection of 150Mbps?  If so what is your complaint?  What speed are you getting moving files over wifi.. You saw my 43MBps – which is clearly way more than the 2-4MBps you say your seeing.. So something is wrong, either your test method compared to your connection method or something is out of wack..

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        pfBasic Banned
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        What is a real device? These are the devices in use on my network, I'd say they are real.

        That performance is actual use, not a test.

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        • johnpozJ
          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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          Do you not have a laptop?  A phone isn' going to be optimized for moving files via windows file sharing SMB..

          These devices and iperf prob not going to be very high end either.  Do you not have a pc or laptop to test with.. If you say your making out your internet connection via your phone at 150Mbps.. And you see 200mbps via your iperf.. Maybe the device just sucks at using SMB?

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            pfBasic Banned
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            Possibly.

            My laptop WiFi card is old and much slower than the phones. I'll try the file transfer though.

            It can usually Max out the WAN but not always. Right now for example it's only hitting 100-120Mbps down

            I don't know what the deal is, something is certainly wrong. So far my Archer c7v2 as an AP easily outperformed this AP AC Pro.

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            • johnpozJ
              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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              "So far my Archer c7v2 as an AP easily outperformed this AP AC Pro."

              In what sense?  Your Archer doing vlans?  Lets see a file transfer with the same setup..

              Do a test your Archer as your AP.  And then same exact test with your AC Pro as AP

              client – wifi -- Archer -- wire server
              client -- wifi -- Unifi AP -- wire server

              Lets see the iperf test
              Lets see the file copy test.
              Lets see speed test..

              For when your using archer and when your using AP.  When the client is in the same spot in comparison to your AP...  Question for you is your AP properly mounted in the ceiling?  What sort of signal strength are you clients seeing, what are they reporting? for both tx and rx speeds?

              What are you showing for the AP for utilization/interface, etc. etc..

              How many clients do you have connected to your AP - are other clients connected at slow speeds and really shitty signal strength?  So you say your running 5ghz are you 20,40 or 80 Mhz?  Are you using of the advanced features?  Are time fairness? Are you using DFS channels? etc.. etc..

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                pfBasic Banned
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                @johnpoz:

                "So far my Archer c7v2 as an AP easily outperformed this AP AC Pro."

                In what sense?  Your Archer doing vlans?  Lets see a file transfer with the same setup..

                Just in speed, obviously it doesn't do VLANs (the reason I got a Ubiquiti). Not saying it's better, but it was faster.

                @johnpoz:

                Do a test your Archer as your AP.  And then same exact test with your AC Pro as AP

                client – wifi -- Archer -- wire server
                client -- wifi -- Unifi AP -- wire server

                Lets see the iperf test
                Lets see the file copy test.
                Lets see speed test..

                I did, the archer was faster in my specific setup for whatever reason. It got in the 3-400Mbps range on iPerf. I'm certainly not interested in wasting my time hooking up an old router again and running tests that I've already run, taking screenshots, etc. just to prove a point on a forum. I'm sure that in the massive majority of use cases the Ubiquiti is faster, in mine it wasn't.

                @johnpoz:

                For when your using archer and when your using AP.  When the client is in the same spot in comparison to your AP…  Question for you is your AP properly mounted in the ceiling?  What sort of signal strength are you clients seeing, what are they reporting? for both tx and rx speeds?

                Same spot yes, both AP's sitting unobstructed a few feet from me. The ubiquiti wasn't mounted to the ceiling, it was about three feet away in plain sight sitting on the floor. I simply won't believe that turning the thing upside down would make a difference (although I do understand that in general ceiling mounting usually means less physical obstruction), FWIW ubiquiti support didn't seem to think that it would make a bit of difference either.

                @johnpoz:

                What are you showing for the AP for utilization/interface, etc. etc..

                How many clients do you have connected to your AP - are other clients connected at slow speeds and really shitty signal strength?  So you say your running 5ghz are you 20,40 or 80 Mhz?  Are you using of the advanced features?  Are time fairness? Are you using DFS channels? etc.. etc..

                Normally 5-10 clients, although I've tested with only 1. No clients have abnormally low signal strength or speeds (as advertised by ubiquiti controller). I've tried 20, 40, 80 on 5GHz, tried it with 2.4 on and off. Tried it without airtime fairness and without. Tried it without DFS channels and with.

                To be clear, I'm not bashing ubiquiti. I'm clearly still using the thing even though I personally experienced a drop in speed the features I gained are worth more to me. Also, their customer support is the best I've ever experienced or heard about in the consumer tech market. I've spent over two hours on teamviewer with their tech support and they are still willing to spend more time on it.

                I really just brought up the question here to see if this level of performance was common or not, and if not if anyone happened to think of anything ubiquiti staff has not.

                Ubiquiti AP is not the best line of AP, but it is certainly an outstanding product at it's price point. I wouldn't know but I'm betting their customer support is at least on par with options at a significantly higher price point.

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                • johnpozJ
                  johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                  Clearly you should be able to get more 2-4MBps file transfer.. Especially if your seeing 200Mbps iperf - your testing this with tcp and not udp right?

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                    pfBasic Banned
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                    Yeah TCP.

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                    • johnpozJ
                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                      Well so if doing iperf test with tcp and your seeing 200mbps - that should be reflected in your smb file copy.  And you should see say roughly 25MBps minus a bit of extra overhead for smb - its a freakishly chatty protocol..  So lets call it 15-20MBps, if your seeing 4MBps then something is clearly not right.

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                        pfBasic Banned
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                        yeah, just can't seem to figure it out.

                        The app I'm using I'm sure has something to do with it. But I tried the same file transfer over my laptop (it's old and wireless-n dual band) and it got about 7MBps.

                        Ubiquiti was advertising ~140Mbps at that time for the laptop, so that's pretty close.

                        Still the 200Mbps iperf just seems low.

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                        • johnpozJ
                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
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                          what app are you using for iperf on your clients?  The HE (hurricane electric) app - I ran this on my phone and it only shows like 140mbps.. But it doesn't seem to do very long test I only see like 1 data point at .1 second.

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                            pfBasic Banned
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                            its an android app called iperf, you can run it with whatever options you like.

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