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    [SOLVED] Block smtp (25) on LAN network. Only allow mailserver to send mail

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    • HermanH
      Herman @NogBadTheBad
      last edited by

      @nogbadthebad Modified the rules as following. The mail wil be delivered. Strange issue is that Outlook 2016 has problems with connecting to the exchange server?! local LAN all is open right?

      My LAN is an Active Directory environment running pfSense 2.4, DC Server 2016, Echange 2013 on server 2012R2.

      Here are the mail rules;

      0_1533307200125_BlockSmtpLan.JPG

      Limburg | The Netherlands.
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      • johnpozJ
        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by johnpoz

        pfsense has zero to do with lan talking to lan..

        Other than dns? But if your using AD, then all your clients should talk to your AD dns anyway.

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        • HermanH
          Herman @johnpoz
          last edited by

          @johnpoz Hi John, completely right. All the clients do DNS via the Domain Controller. All clients first DNS entry is pointed to the DC's IP address. But still since pfSense is in the picture Outlook is giving trouble connecting to the exchange server.

          Maybe I did some false config on the DNS config of the pf Sense? The DNS forwarder is disabled and the DNS resolver is enabled with default settings.

          Any suggestions?

          Greetz,
          Herman

          Limburg | The Netherlands.
          It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice! | Failure, the best teacher it is!

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          • johnpozJ
            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Herman
            last edited by

            @herman said in Block smtp (25) on LAN network. Only allow mailserver to send mail:

            All clients first DNS entry

            Are you saying they have more than 1 and this points to pfsense? Yeah that is Borked and going to cause you grief in the long run. You can not point to clients to more than 1 dns when the different dns does not resolve the same stuff. ie you do not point to local dns, and 2nd point to public dns - because public dns can not resolve local.

            You can never be sure which dns client will actually use..

            Point your clients ONLY to NS that can resolve your AD.. if pfsense can not resolve your AD then clients should not have it in their list for dns.

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            • HermanH
              Herman @johnpoz
              last edited by

              @johnpoz Right, double checked it. All clients have only one DNS server pointing to the DC hosting the DNS role.

              Greetz,
              Herman

              Limburg | The Netherlands.
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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by

                Well than pfsense has ZERO to do with device on lan talking to another device on lan.. If your having problems with outlook talking to your exchange that are on the same network - what do you think pfsense has to do with that conversation?

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                • HermanH
                  Herman @johnpoz
                  last edited by

                  @johnpoz

                  Doesn’t make sense to me at all too. Since I’ve implemented the pfSense firewall this issues start to occur.

                  Should the something be configured in the DNS resolver of the pfSense? Shouldn’t it also point to the DC’s DNS?

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                  • HermanH
                    Herman @Herman
                    last edited by

                    @herman Found the problem! I am also migrating Exchange 2013 to Exchange 2016. Since the 2016 box was off because I paused the migration, Outlook was still trying to resolve the public folders on the 2016 box. Turn the machine on resolved the problem.

                    Sorry for the inconvenience. My bad!

                    But still wondering if I should setup anything for the DNS resolver of the pfSense?

                    Cu,
                    Herman

                    Limburg | The Netherlands.
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                    • DerelictD
                      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                      last edited by

                      I wouldn't. If anything I would set up a backup domain controller.

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                      • HermanH
                        Herman @Derelict
                        last edited by

                        @derelict So you suggest to leave the DNS Resolver on pfSense box disabled?

                        Gr. Herman

                        Limburg | The Netherlands.
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                        • DerelictD
                          Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                          last edited by

                          https://forum.netgate.com/post/778596

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                          • HermanH
                            Herman @Derelict
                            last edited by

                            @derelict Thank you. Now it look like i would expect it to look. Even the ARP table is resolving the right hostname now. 👍

                            Sorry if I keep going on but in the log file I see the folowing two entries. Any idea what they mean? port 67 and 68 is DHCP if I am correct.

                            0_1533333996466_Port 67 68 blocked.JPG

                            and

                            0_1533334018954_IGMP Blocked.JPG

                            That would be the last post for today. Have to go sleeping 😁

                            Thanks to everybody for the kind support. CU soon.

                            Bye
                            Herman

                            Limburg | The Netherlands.
                            It is nice to be important. But it is more important to be nice! | Failure, the best teacher it is!

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @Herman
                              last edited by

                              @herman If you are not running a DHCP server on pfSense you will not have the automatic pass rules for DHCP on your local network.

                              If you are limiting outbound connections and not passing any into the local interface, you might want to make a rule to block that traffic and not log it to kill that log spam. That is logging that a DHCP discover broadcast was received and not passed by the firewall.

                              Same with the IGMP if the log entries annoy you.

                              Or you could just turn off logging on the default deny rule entirely. Status > System Logs, Log firewall default blocks. For me it would depend on how many rules were necessary to get the log spam under control. If just a couple/few, I would make the rules. If it's a boatload, I'd probably just disable the logging entirely.

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