VPN blocked?
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@tagit446 said in VPN blocked?:
Is the built in support for a vpn service just a byproduct and never really meant to be used in this way?
https://www.netgate.com/docs/pfsense/book/vpn/index.html RTFM, and yes VPNs are intended to connect business offices and allow secure remote access.
Ask yourself the following question: What makes a random VPN provider more trustworthy than your local ISP, especially if they are located in a different country and/or if all you know about them comes from a website.
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@tagit446 Should known spam source addresses, which have been flagged due to recent, active spam activity be "whitelisted" so you can connect to this forum via your VPN service?
You are sharing source IP addresses with all of the yahoos using that service. If I were you I'd get used to some inconvenience there.
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@grimson said in VPN blocked?:
https://www.netgate.com/docs/pfsense/book/vpn/index.html RTFM, and yes VPNs are intended to connect business offices and allow secure remote access.
Ask yourself the following question: What makes a random VPN provider more trustworthy the your local ISP, especially if they are located in a different country and/or if all you know about them comes from a website.
Wow ok, "RTFM".. had to look that one up. Did you really have to put that in there like that, why so hostile its not like you know me? To much damn hate talk in the world, even among strangers. No wonder its all going to sh*t they way it is. No one sees the value in civility anymore.
ISP's are known for doing questionable things and don't even try to be transparent. They don't encrypt my connection and most certainly log everything I do on the web, in some circumstances, some ISP's are even known to redirect their users traffic.
Hypothetically speaking, but for example lets say I visit a website critical of police brutality or government or visit a website that teaches how to make pipe bombs so that I can blow up an annoying stump in my back yard. Say this information is flagged and now my government thinks I'm a terrorist, what do you suppose could happen there? Heck I remember many years ago, maybe a year after 9/11 my wife worked with a guy who made a critical comment about Bush out of frustration on a random forum. Within a week this poor fellow was visited by government officials questioning his motives for what he had wrote. So yeah, I don't need some company tracking, snooping, logging everything I do and make false assumptions about who I am or what possible intentions I may or may not have just because of what I looked at on the web.
At least the vpn I chose appears to be transparent and has good reviews from places I consider to be reputable. I spent several months considering the use of a vpn and the same amount of time deciding on which one to use. I know there are cons such as added cost, slightly slower connections and dos by those blocking vpn's but at the same time they encrypt my connection and claim to not log any user traffic.
If myself and thousands of others are being mislead about vpn services and how they supposedly protect us (or not protect us), then please by all means explain or at least point us in the direction to a reputable source for further reading in regards to how we are being mislead by such services.
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@derelict said in VPN blocked?:
@tagit446 Should known spam source addresses, which have been flagged due to recent, active spam activity be "whitelisted" so you can connect to this forum via your VPN service?
You are sharing source IP addresses with all of the yahoos using that service. If I were you I'd get used to some inconvenience there.
I just don't get these responses I'm getting, are you all trying to say I'm suspected of being a spammer here or some where else due to my vpn IP? Yes it is a shared IP but so is my ISP IP.
Again, I get the use of a spam reporting database. I just don't understand why you have chose to implement it the way you have. You all seem aware that good people can end up with a bad IP. What if I got an IP from my ISP that had been reported for spamming? I would not even be able to load this site to find out why. At the very least why not redirect to a page explaining why the site won't load and a contact if that user believes he/she is being wrongly blocked. The only other choice for me would be to reboot my modem or router to get a new IP which I guess would probably be faster than reaching out to someone. A message as to why the block is happening though would still be nice.
I'll be honest, in the year and a half that I have used a vpn the only inconveniences I've encountered are not having access to this forum at times while using my vpn, amazon prime videos not working on my tv and an online game not working due to closed ports on the vpn. Policy based routing due to pfSense fixed each of those issues however.
EDIT: I've used some sites such as Amazon that will block a user from logging in when their IP has changed. While attempting to log in with my credentials, before giving access it will send an email with a verification code. I can grab that code from my email and then enter it in the form Amazon provides. Once entered the log in continues as normal.
Could something like this be implemented on this website instead the non-loading blank webpage? At least that way good people with bad IP's aren't getting blocked from accessing their accounts here. I went through a lot of trouble shooting trying to figure out why this site wouldn't load each time I was blocked. How many others is this happening to aswell.
I had no idea I was being blocked due to my vpn IP, at least not until this thread. Just before regaining access and seeing the post from the OP I had rebooted my pfSense box and got a new IP that was luckily not blocked.
Again, the problem is loading this website with a bad IP, not a problem posting or logging in.
EDIT2: Thinking about this more, why are spam related IP's even getting blocked from loading the forums webpage? Unless they can log into the website.. what can they do to harm the website.. especially this one? After all you are Netgate so I have to assume your server security is better then most.
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@tagit446 said in VPN blocked?:
Yes it is a shared IP but so is my ISP IP.
No - where did you get that Idea... Are you behind a carrier grade nat? My IP has been the same since I moved to this ISP.. Before my IP was the same for years and years with comcast.. So all the IP tells a website is hey that IP is owned by XYZ... Hey that IP is prob in City ABC.. Its not shared at all.
They are blocked from accessing the forum is because they are blocking it at the firewall not just inside the forum software as well.. Yeah more secure from the spammers ;)
If you want to use some VPN service that allows any and all to use their IPs for shit like spamming - then guess what.. Your prob going to find some sites that don't like that IP.. Or for that matter might get so fed up playing wack a mole that they just block the netblock..
And guess what if you were behind a carrier grade nat and sharing IPs - and some yahoo that had your IP yesterday decided it was fun to spam.. And get his IP listed 58 times ;) Then yeah you get that IP your going to have issues..
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@johnpoz said in VPN blocked?:
No - where did you get that Idea... Are you behind a carrier grade nat?
I'm really not sure what my ISP uses. In my location we only have one choice for internet and that is Bonded ADSL+ through Consolidated Communications. They took over FairPoint Communications in my state about a year ago.
My ISP modem is bridged and I establish the PPPoE connection through the pfsense router. The service here is pretty bad really. As I've mentioned, I'm still learning pfSense so at times I'll reboot the router after making changes and sometimes the modem. Each time either one reboots I see my public IP has changed on the pfSense router homepage.
@johnpoz said in VPN blocked?:
They are blocked from accessing the forum is because they are blocking it at the firewall not just inside the forum software as well.. Yeah more secure from the spammers ;)
Thanks for this, it makes sense now and finally answers mine and the OP's original question.
At least as far as spammer IP's go it seems like it would be enough to block them with the website software and not the firewall since a spammer can't spam a website unless they are logged in. Doing the blocking at the website would give more verification options or at least allow a webpage to be displayed as to why a block is happening. In the end though, its not my sandbox and all I can do is make suggestions. If you don't care, why should I.
I now know why the site wouldn't load for me and I can and have worked around that. My only real concern now is for those that haven't figured it out yet and will probably spend alot of time trying to diag the problem. After all, they won't be able to get here to ask for help because the site will not even load for them. I wonder how many new pfSense users will just give up on it because they are using a vpn and can't load this site to ask for help when they are stuck.
I won't say anymore on the above subject but I would still like to know why using a vpn service only gives a false sense of security. Like I said before, I don't want to pay for something I don't need and don't like being duped. You seem to be in the know, so please share what you know.
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I would still like to know why using a vpn service only gives a false sense of security.
Because you are just transferring the ability to sniff your traffic from your ISP to your VPN provider.
You exit to the internet in-the-clear at some point.
A VPN is great for encrypting your traffic across something like a local open wifi hotspot, hotel network, or between two private sites.
The VPN providers have done a pretty good job convincing a lot of people that they are necessary to protect against evil ISPs.
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@tagit446 said in VPN blocked?:
Wow ok, "RTFM".. had to look that one up.
Good now continue to look things up before you talk about them. Make this a habit.
ISP's are known for doing questionable things and don't even try to be transparent. They don't encrypt my connection and most certainly log everything I do on the web, in some circumstances, some ISP's are even known to redirect their users traffic.
An with a VPN your VPN provider can do exactly the same. And while you know who and where your ISP is located, and what laws it has to follow, you can't say the same about some random VPN provider on the web. So ask yourself again, what makes that VPN provider more trustworthy than your ISP.
Say this information is flagged and now my government thinks I'm a terrorist, what do you suppose could happen there?
And continuously running an encrypted tunnel to an endpoint in a different country will not trigger red flags with such a government agency? Heck if I where a government agency tasked with monitoring internet usage I would spin up a few VPN providers and make them known with nice reviews on the net. Then people would not only route their traffic through my servers, they would actually pay me for monitoring them.
You need to understand that a VPN encrypts only the communication between your client the server from you VPN provider, that server then can do the same stuff your afraid your ISP might do. If your VPN provider then also managed to get you to install their custom CA certificate on your PC, and some try to do that if you run their client directly on the PC, they can even MITM your otherwise encrypted https traffic.
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@tagit446 said in VPN blocked?:
The service here is pretty bad really
Is it really - or is your VPN?? Why would you add the latency and issues of a vpn on top of questionable service ISP? Only thing the VPN can ever do is make your traffic slower.. Since you have to travel over the isp connection to get to the vpn.. Now you have the added latency going to wherever that is just to possible come back 1 mile from the exit of your isp connection. Maybe - or completely wrong direction from where you want to go to get to xyz.com which adds latency.
Your already using a PPPoE connection which adds overhead, so lets put a vpn tunnel inside another tunnel.. Yeah GREAT performance is what everyone will scream ;)
You can do what you want - just don't complain when the IP you choose to use gets blocked, and don't complain when your connection is crap.. And your pocket book is lighter because you think you need to pay the "I'm more secure" stupid tax ;)
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@tagit446 said in VPN blocked?:
The VPN encrypts my connection
I'm do not want to add another brick against the "why a VPN" wall, but like to add :
Today, nearly all sites (mail, ssh, etc) use SSL/TLS by default, so the end-to-end privacy is been taken care of out of the box.
Rests the "having another IP" advantage. That's up to you ....Drop by on this forum when it get's hit - as it did on a recent past - by these 'foreign language' spammers. The entire forum was getting spammed with dozens of messages, nearly every week, or more often.
These days : didn't saw them any more (or the admins are became very, very reactive !).
You, @bafonso , showed that there are side effect for some of us.
One thing is pretty sure : your are using the same VPN as spammers - here, or some where else - did. Not your fault, these things happen ;) -
Ok, this thread has kind of gone all over the place. I will record my VPN IP address next time I can't connect. I am reasonably sure the VPN IP was blocked since clicking the "restart" icon on VPN until I can connect works. Sometimes I have to restart once, other times it takes 5 or 6 times and then I can connect.
I am using PIA.
In response to "why VPN traffic to pfSense/Netgate?", because I VPN all of my traffic by default. I do have bypass rules for Netflix and AWS, and yes I could add a bypass for pfSense/Netgate, but I figured I would ask about the blocking before adding a bypass rule.
Maybe I am being paranoid, but I don't trust websites to not track me. This is partially about my ISP, and partially about trackers on the internet. This was a large part of the reason I setup a pfSense router was to VPN most of my traffic.
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@ryanm said in VPN blocked?:
but I don't trust websites to not track me
You think the only way they track you is via your IP?? hehehhee how cute ;)
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You trust some random VPN provider more than your ISP? You should change your ISP then...
-Rico
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@johnpoz a VPN is just part of the solution. I also use a couple of browser extensions to attempt to block tracking, and make use of incognito/private browsing fairly regularly. I would be interested in hearing any other recommendations on how to protect my privacy online.
@Rico I don't have many options in my area, and for the most part I do trust my ISP but I don't see what the downside to using a VPN is other than cost. My understanding is that PIA is a reasonably well-respected VPN provider, but if I am misinformed, I would love to hear more.
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The downside is, your VPN Provider got all the keys to decrypt your whole traffic if he want to.
-Rico
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@rico said in VPN blocked?:
The downside is, your VPN Provider got all the keys to decrypt your whole traffic if he want to.
-Rico
Well : the VPN will decrypt the entire tunnel, that's for sure. They have to
But, all SSL traffic inside the tunnel will stay safe. Most of all site traffic - web browsing and mail are all safe these days. And if you insist, DNS can be make safe also, this means : you decide who sees your DNS traffic. -
@Gertjan I don't want to get too far off topic, but can you point me at a resource to read about making DNS safe? This is around SSL encrypted requests to your DNS provider correct? I moved to using CloudFlare's DNS (1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1) in my pfSense configuration. Is there a way to force the SSL version on pfSense?
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Here is an IP that appears to be blocked: 91.207.175.100
FWIW, I am connecting to the PIA US-California instance (us-california.privateinternetaccess.com:1198). In my experience, this instance seems to not be blocked on as many sites (e.g. Macys.com, Craigslist.org, etc.).
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@ryanm said in VPN blocked?:
91.207.175.100
http://stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/91.207.175.100
Blocked!
You sure that is suppose to be US... Shows as Romania on that site.. But its also on a shit ton of other blacklists as well!To be honest how do people think that the shared IPs they get using some vpn is not going to be blocked all over the net... Since people just do shit while on them, since they they think they are hiding ;)
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Thank you for checking @johnpoz. Should I bother with trying to get it unblocked? Or just continue to "restart" the VPN client until I get an IP that is not blocked?
I think the IP Address is owned by a European company called M247 Europe SRL, I am not sure why that site is showing it as Romania. However, the location of the VPN IP shows up as Los Angeles, CA and this is in line what latency I see to servers in that area and geolocation type services (e.g. Google Maps, Weather.com, etc.).
