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    Announcing pfSense plus

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      kdub1234
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      I appreciate that a no cost home/lab version will be offered, but is there any chance we can get a direct version upgrade instead of how the free TNSR offering is setup?

      After initial excitement of the TNSR free tier, I decided not to install largely because of the upgrade hassle. I am definitely not a fan of having to backup, reregister, re-provision and restore my appliance for every new patch/feature.

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        al
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        To the pfSense team:
        Why would it be a problem for 'pfSense Plus' to be held open source like pfSense CE in regards to adding trust & confidence to the product as well as adding to security and privacy in regards to be able to look under the hood of e.g. the GUI, the backend and the various tools?

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          slu @dennis_s
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          @dennis_s

          it would be so great to have the gold membership back, only for sponsoring the CE edition / Netgate. Call it "gold sponsoring", we buy it per year (as the gold membership was).

          pfSense Gold subscription

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          • RicoR
            Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
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            Back in the days when I was asked 'what is so great about pfSense?' my answers (sorted in order of importance):

            1. Open Source, you can trust the code 100%
            2. rock stable
            3. really nice feature set
            4. awesome community

            Good old times... 😔

            -Rico

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              matsan
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              Too bad, for us the USP of pfSense was the open source model, knowing there are (at least potentially) multiple and external eyes on the code.
              Been supporting the project with both hardware purchases and gold subscriptions during the years. With open source gone the differentiator between our deployed SG-3100:s and the USG from UniFi is lost and we can move to a fully-integrated UniFi experience that is another closed-source-trust-the-company-running-it-relationship.

              Wishing you best of luck. So long and thank you for all the years!

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                Vollans @Rico
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                @rico said in Announcing pfSense plus:

                2x Netgate XG-7100 | 11x Netgate SG-5100 | 6x Netgate SG-3100 | 2x Netgate SG-1100

                Surely Netgate have to be nervous when someone who has over 20 devices and has been a big supporter of those is worried?

                I’m only a new convert to pfSense, as of about July, but the fact it was open source was a big thing as I was fed up of hardware that had rubbish firewalls that promised lots and delivered nothing with unresponsive support that ignored requests to fix things. I did almost buy your hardware just after Christmas, but decided to wait. I’m glad I did. :(

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                • Cool_CoronaC
                  Cool_Corona @Vollans
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                  Just to make things clear....

                  Currently testing freebsd based FW's for the foreign state department here and closed source is a no go.

                  They have issues with the US spying on live traffic thats encrypted. So it can be done...

                  And I will always, on a personal level, run MiTM and not make anybody beeing able ro run anything other than the DNS provided.

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                  • ExordiumE
                    Exordium @dennis_s
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                    @dennis_s said in Announcing pfSense plus:

                    Read our latest blog which includes a FAQ to learn more about this exciting change.

                    I can't see anything exciting in this post... only stupid decisions.

                    Just my 0,02$

                    - pfSense Gold Subscriber -

                    Sense 1: Shuttle DS57U3 (private)
                    Sense 2: Supermicro Atom Barebone (Company Test)
                    Sense 3 : 2 x Supermicro SYS-5018D-FN8T (Company Office)

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                    • Bob.DigB
                      Bob.Dig LAYER 8
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                      I am ok with it, if there is a full free version for home use, because I don't think that those people will pay for a firewall in the first place... unless it becomes a full-fledged WiFi-router. Pls don't. 😝

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                      • JeGrJ
                        JeGr LAYER 8 Moderator @Bob.Dig
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                        @bob-dig said in Announcing pfSense plus:

                        I am ok with it, if there is a full free version for home use, because I don't think that those people will pay for a firewall in the first place... unless it becomes a full-fledged WiFi-router. Pls don't. 😝

                        Free version doesn't equal OSS version and for many projects that reach out about ditching other vendors in favor of pfSense, that IS one of the - if not THE - main incentive. So while free version for home use is fine, that does nothing for planning bigger projects at the moment. And because of the "we don't know yet" throughout the FAQ/blog post in terms of 3rd party HW, licensing, costs and future of the CE version, that is an almost impossible sell at the moment for any new project that goes on right now or in the following weeks. Because no company wants a solution that will change course, get stale in the future or other fears that already have been laid out.

                        Don't forget to upvote 👍 those who kindly offered their time and brainpower to help you!

                        If you're interested, I'm available to discuss details of German-speaking paid support (for companies) if needed.

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                        • noplanN
                          noplan @JeGr
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                          @jegr

                          as far as I am concerned

                          It is as informed as possible about this

                          **
                          It is an impossible sell**

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                            behemyth
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                            I completely understand the free-to-use community being frustrated by the move to close-source a product and charge for full-featured software, but I can tell you from my years working with companies to build solutions, there are a lot of companies out there that aren't allowed to use open source anything.

                            I don't agree with that thinking, but it is what it is in the business world.

                            This may make a lot of people who aren't paying anyway stop using this platform, but this is going to open another set of doors for pfSense, ones that simply don't exist under an open source code model - and those doors are going to be willing to pay - potentially a lot of money for support and to use the software.

                            I'm not trying to start a huge argument here, that's just fact.

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                              noplan @behemyth
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                              @behemyth

                              cant agree more !

                              heaven and hell are two windows in the same house, or something like that

                              brNP

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                                fbor @noplan
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                                @dennis_s

                                I have chosen pfSense a few years ago to have firewalls on which I can do whatever I need. To support Netgate and the project, I have bought about 20 appliances, mostly sg-3100. On several occasions, pfSense has proven to be a perfect choice for my needs. I have been able with some lines of code to implement custom functions and to patch all the required appliances. Also, I have invested a lot of my free time to create and contribute to ansible modules to manage our pfSense fleet and was eagerly waiting for the GUI/control code separation.

                                Now, since sg-3100 runs on ARM, I won't be able to run pfSense CE on them. So, to keep an open-source platform, the only choice I have is to stay forever on the last pfSense FE release. The other choice would be to go close source with pfSense plus and hope for the best (no script obfuscation ever, no closed source patches on binaries I may need to patch and build). It looks like two dead-ends to me. And I feel fooled: it wouldn't have happened to me if I hadn't decided to support Netgate and become a customer.

                                Anyway, I saw the argument "pfSense plus is something more, not less" multiple times on Reddit. Given my situation, I disagree: dropping pfSense FE and the open-source model for customers is definitly something less.

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                                • noplanN
                                  noplan @fbor
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                                  @dennis_s

                                  i only can tell you the same as i told @behemyth

                                  heaven and hell are the same house with different windows

                                  and no i'm not an evangelist but i see dark times commin for pfSce

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                                    A Former User
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                                    New blog post concerning these changes:

                                    https://www.netgate.com/blog/pfsense-plus-pfsense-ce-dev-insights-direction.html

                                    One change I noticed is the availability of pfSense + for non-Netgate hardware is now late 2021. I'm not sure if that is an actual change in Netgate's internal planning or just the author being careful to not over promise.

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                                      A Former User @A Former User
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                                      @jwj Can't edit so...

                                      This is from the FAQ (as of 1-27-21):

                                      "Today, pfSense Plus 21.02 is only available on Netgate appliances, AWS, and Azure platforms.

                                      We plan to make pfSense Plus available for use on 3rd party hardware and select virtual machines by June 2021, if not sooner.

                                      There will be a no charge path for home and lab use and a chargeable version for commercial use."

                                      and in today's blog:

                                      "The good news is that we also plan to make pfSense Plus available to work on non-Netgate hardware in late 2021, not just our appliances, and we plan to make the licensing of pfSense Plus completely free for home, hobby, and lab use."

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                                      • kiokomanK
                                        kiokoman LAYER 8 @A Former User
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                                        @jwj
                                        there is "only" a new gui written on Go and clixon May or September it's not important for me. 2.6CE is still planned
                                        In the past, a release was made “when it’s ready” <- (he is stealing Jimp's motto 😸 )
                                        There will be CE releases after 2.6, but unlike Plus, they’ll be done when they’re ready, not on a regular cadence.
                                        Scott Long ( welcome 🙋) was reassuring somehow

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                                        we must focus on silencing this @guest character. we must make up lies and alter the copyrights !
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                                          slu @kiokoman
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                                          @kiokoman said in Announcing pfSense plus:

                                          There will be CE releases after 2.6, but unlike Plus, they’ll be done when they’re ready, not on a regular cadence.

                                          Works for Debian perfect ;)

                                          pfSense Gold subscription

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                                            A Former User
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                                            What's the benefit for the community of these changes exactly?

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