[Solved] Client subnet not accessible (and no internet)

AB5G

@arrmo
You need to set the OpenWrt box to NAT all traffic from OpenWrt LAN going to pfSense with the WG tunnel IP at the OpenWrt end (192.168.253.3). The LAN of Openwrt is possibly able to reach the pfsense , but the pfsense does not know how to route back( reach the Openwrt LAN.)

Try running a tcpdump on the Wireguard interface of pfsense like
tcpdump -i wg0 host <openwrt LAN host ip>
tcpdump -i wg0 host 192.168.253.3

If you setup the NAT correctly on Openwrt then you should see traffic coming from 192.168.253.3/32 , otherwise you will see traffic coming from openwrt LAN IP (in which case you'll need to setup NAT at openwrt).

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

If you setup the NAT correctly on Openwrt then you should see traffic coming from 192.168.253.3/32 , otherwise you will see traffic coming from openwrt LAN IP (in which case you'll need to setup NAT at openwrt).

Thanks makes sense, thanks! I was wondering, but when I asked OpenWrt folks, they said to assign WG to the LAN zone. But rather, sounds like I need to forward the LAN to WG, and masquerade ... right? So the only IP that comes across to pfSense is 192.168.253.3 ... correct? And of course then, I only need one allowed IP, given NAT - agreed?

Thanks again!

AB5G

@arrmo That is correct

arrmo

@ab5g Still digging ... LOL. Starting to think this may be a pfSense thing after all (but I may be wrong!!!). Here is what I see though - observations that confuse me, make me wonder if it's pfSense routing (tables).

pinging from pfSense directly, to a machine behind OpenWrt (i.e. DHCP client on the WG "client" (peer) side). A bit odd, but seems OK to me.

$ ping 192.168.0.220
PING 192.168.0.220 (192.168.0.220): 56 data bytes
92 bytes from 192.168.253.1: Redirect Host(New addr: 192.168.0.220)
Vr HL TOS  Len   ID Flg  off TTL Pro  cks      Src      Dst
 4  5  00 0054 931f   0 0000  3e  01 6a5b 192.168.253.1  192.168.0.220

pinging from a Linux box on the pfSense subnet, to the same machine behind OpenWrt (i.e. DHCP client on the WG "client" (peer) side). OK, this seems broken?

$ ping 192.168.0.220
PING 192.168.0.220 (192.168.0.220) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
From 192.168.253.1 icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 0.0.0.0)
^C
--- 192.168.0.220 ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 0 received, +14 errors, 100% packet loss, time 0ms

Trying to use a web browser, on the pfSense subnet, to get to a box on the OpenWrt (WG "client") subnet ... times out. But, this subnet is in the AllowedIPs list, so pfSense should route me over there, no?

Thoughts?

Thanks!

AB5G

@arrmo
Both your pings are not working. I suspect it is because the gateway is not set correctly.
System > Routing > Gateways > Set that to WAN_DHCP (or whatever your gateway is) ; don't leave that to automatic.

If that doesn't work, you'll need to provide more info

OpenWrt Side - LAN 192.168.0.1/24, Tunnel IP. 192.168.253.3 , Test PC - 192.168.0.220
pfSense Side - LAN ? , Tunnel IP 192.168.253.1 , Test PC - ?
Routing tables, and wireguard config

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

System > Routing > Gateways > Set that to WAN_DHCP (or whatever your gateway is) ; don't leave that to automatic.

It is set to automatic, but there is only one option (WAN_DHCP) ... and that one shows the world symbol. So OK, agreed?

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

If that doesn't work, you'll need to provide more info

OpenWrt Side - LAN 192.168.0.1/24, Tunnel IP. 192.168.253.3 , Test PC - 192.168.0.220
pfSense Side - LAN ? , Tunnel IP 192.168.253.1 , Test PC - ?
Routing tables, and wireguard config

Absolutely! Let me try to clarify - yell if this is not clear.

pfSense - subnet is 192.168.2.x, WAN (to cable modem) is 192.168.1.x.
OpenWrt - subnet is 192.168.0.x. I can get to the internet from ssh (I think it comes from the WG address then?), but not from machines on the .0.x subnet. That's the core issue, .0.x machines not being able to get out. But they can get to machines on the .2.x (pfSense) subnet. Make sense?

AllowedIP's, for WG

pfSense: 192.168.253.3/32, 192.168.0.0/24
OpenWrt: 192.168.253.0/24, 216.115.184.69/32, 192.168.1.0/24, 192.168.2.0/24, 192.168.0.0/24 (last one seems to be needed to get ping from OpenWrt to pfSense to work?).

I also can't get from the pfSense subnet (..2.x) to OpenWrt subnet (.0.x).

Thoughts?

Thanks!

AB5G

@arrmo
Let's tackle it one by one. First off "can't get from the pfSense subnet (..2.x) to OpenWrt subnet (.0.x)."

Thats because there's only 1 gateway in your pfsense which is the WAN_DHCP and so all packets coming from pf LAN are being sent out through that GW. The GW doesn't know how to route them so it doesn't work. To solve this, you need to create a gateway (corresponding to wireguard tunnel) and route packets destined to 192.168.0.0/24 to that gateway. Makes sense ?

To create the GW, you need to create the interface first. After the WG tunnel comes up, you need to goto Interface/Assignments and assign wg0 (the tunnel) a new Interface say "WG". Enable the interface and restart the tunnel. This should create the GW for you (System > Routing > Gateways).
Now select WAN_DHCP as your default gateway. Don't leave that to auto.

Next, you'll notice that the under firewall you'll see the interface entry for 'WG'. To keep things simple. Put a rule Allow any proto from src WG net to any dest. This will allow any inbound traffic coming from OpenWrt to reach your pf LAN.

Finally to allow pfLAN to reach OW LAN - create a LAN rule - proto any, src LAN net, dest 192.168.0.0/24 , advanced, set gateway to WG_GW.

arrmo

@ab5g I THINK this is working . Just a bit worried yet, I have fooled myself before - but cautiously optimistic. Let me roll with it for a day or two, see if it really is solid. It didn't seem to work initially, but did after I made some other WG changes ... so perhaps also needed a WG (interface) restart of sorts? I admit, not quite sure how to force that to happen (reloading and taking the interface down and back up I assume)?

Thanks for the pointers!

jimp

@arrmo said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

I admit, not quite sure how to force that to happen

To refresh the WireGuard interface config, edit the WireGuard tunnel on VPN > WireGuard and save it there. That will redo the interface config and so on.

arrmo

@jimp said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

To refresh the WireGuard interface config, edit the WireGuard tunnel on VPN > WireGuard and save it there. That will redo the interface config and so on.

Perfect, thanks! I assume this is similar to / the same as ifdown then ifup? Was thinking there may be a button on the main screen, but definitely not a biggie

Thanks again.

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

Let's tackle it one by one. First off "can't get from the pfSense subnet (..2.x) to OpenWrt subnet (.0.x)."

OK, this one seems solid - so far at least . Thanks again, really appreciate it!

So the one that is open yet - I can't seem to get from the OpenWrt subnet (.0.x) out to the internet. No issue getting to the pfSense subnet (.2.x), but from there ... I can't get "out the door". I can get from the OpenWrt "console" itself (to the internet), but pretty sure that's showing a source address of .253.3 (i.e. WG address). Where it falls down is coming from .0.x, trying to get out the Gateway (on pfSense). Perhaps a routing setting that is missing? Or because .0.x is being routed back to OpenWrt, vs. out the door?

Thanks!

AB5G

@arrmo

For the second one, you'd need a NAT rule. The packets from OW LAN are Natted by OpenWrt to 192.168.253.3/32 and sent to pf WG interface. The interface FW rule is set to allow WG NET (192.168.253.0/24) to any > which means the traffic can now enter and therefore you can reach the pf LAN. To exit using the internet at pf site, you'd need to tell pf to allow the 192.168.253.0/24 (WG NET) to be natted to the WAN interface IP to exit.
Goto firewall > NAT > Manual Outbound > Create new > Int WAN > Src 192.168.253.0/24 > src port any dest any destport any, NAT address WAN address.
Save and restart the wireguard tunnel.

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

Goto firewall > NAT > Manual Outbound > Create new > Int WAN > Src 192.168.253.0/24 > src port any dest any destport any, NAT address WAN address.
Save and restart the wireguard tunnel.

Thanks! Tried that, but I don't think it's working (may be me though!). Here is the rule I created,

And the auto one that also already exists (second one)?

But, watching tcpdump across the WG interface, I get this for a ping (and no response ... traffic coming across from OpenWrt subnet),

20:34:04.690815 IP 192.168.0.243 > 216.115.184.69: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 441, length 40
20:34:09.327358 IP 192.168.0.243 > 216.115.184.69: ICMP echo request, id 1, seq 442, length 40

I did try changing the NAT rule you mentioned, to .0.0/24, but no joy still.

Thoughts?

Thanks!!!

AB5G

@arrmo
You should not see packets coming from 192.168.0.243 on pf. You should be natting OW LAN to 192.168.253.3/32 on the OpenWrt box. With this your NAT rule of 192.168.253.0/24 will work.

In case you do not want to NAT on the OpenWrt side then on the WG interface (firewall rules) in pf you need to allow 192.168.0.0/24 segment (right now you are only allowing 192.168.253.0/24 segment). Then you'd need a NAT rule for 192.168.0.0/24.

Don't forget to restart the tunnel after the NAT rule change

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

In case you do not want to NAT on the OpenWrt side then on the WG interface (firewall rules) in pf you need to allow 192.168.0.0/24 segment (right now you are only allowing 192.168.253.0/24 segment). Then you'd need a NAT rule for 192.168.0.0/24.

That makes sense - thanks! It seems like the interfaces all get auto-rules generated (even in Manual mode) ... is that right? But as you say, I'll add the .0.x rule, see if I get that working correctly.

BTW, I seem to have a rule for "Wireguard" (group?) - thinking that was from different things I was trying. Assuming that's not needed (i.e. no rules under that Group), right?

Thanks again!!

AB5G

@arrmo said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

It seems like the interfaces all get auto-rules generated (even in Manual mode) ... is that right?

Yes

"Wireguard" (group?)

Yeah you can ignore that - create all rules under WG Interface that you created.

arrmo

Perfect, that makes sense (auto rules to manual list). Thanks!

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

Yeah you can ignore that - create all rules under WG Interface that you created.

Well ... . I did that, and broke things as a result. Still trying to wrap my head around it, but I seem to need the WireGuard (tunnel / group?) rule in place. I was thinking that something wasn't getting through the WG (interface) rule, but it may not be getting there perhaps? It's not quite clear to my why yet, sorry! What's also interesting ... with both rules in place, I only see states showing up in WireGuard (tunnel), not WG (interface) ... is that because somehow once the tunnel passes it the interface doesn't see it?

Sorry, just a bit confused yet. But that's my head, I know .

Thanks!

AB5G

@arrmo At this point I would suggest you read the documentation along with the contents of my post to get a grasp on what's happening.

From the documentation "Use rules on the WireGuard group tab or rule tabs for assigned interfaces.
Rules on the WireGuard group tab are considered first and can match traffic on any WireGuard interfaces whether or not they are assigned."

So if you have already assigned an interface (WG), you don't need additional rules in the WIREGUARD group tab.

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/vpn/wireguard/rules.html

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

So if you have already assigned an interface (WG), you don't need additional rules in the WIREGUARD group tab.

Yes, 100% agreed! And this is the way I understood your comment as well. But I have the interface assigned (like you said above), and rules on that interface. But, if I don't (also) add a rule on the WIREGROUP group tab - traffic is not getting through. That's where I get confused. Thinking that should not be required, exactly as you say.

On the interface tab, I have two rules ... to pass traffic from source "WG net", also "192.168.0.0/24". So very surprised that's not sufficient.

Thanks!

arrmo

@ab5g said in Client subnet not accessible (and no internet):

https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/vpn/wireguard/rules.html

OK, been reading through the pfSense docs, and the configuration I have set up (matching your comments above). Funny, but I found the page you note as a very key one as well - agree with you! And the settings you noted do make sense to me (now ), they all seem logical and right. I admit, I'm impressed how well you knew those.

That said, pulling my hair out . The best I can tell (and from that page), rules are allowed on the "WireGuard group tab", and they are processed first. But if no rules are there, then the "WireGuard interfaces" are considered (and I assume that once traffic is marked as pass by the group tab, the interface rules are skipped ... right?). That all said, if I turn off the "pass all" rule I have on the group tab, traffic from the remote (OpenWrt) subnet doesn't get through (to the internet). With the rule on, I see states and traffic counting on the group tab, and nothing counting on the WG interface tab (again, seems like it gets skipped). But, if I remove the rule on the group tab ... yep, traffic isn't getting through (and yes, restarting WG each change).

Does this make sense to you? It's likely me, but it's not making sense. And it seems to only be an issue with traffic from that subnet (yet there is a rule on the interface tab for that subnet). Dang it!

Thanks!