Thats why I would not report any more issues on redmine.


  • I just leave it here.
    https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/6836
    Edited: Wrong link  >:(


  • It certainly seems silly and arbitrary.  Surprising that it's coming from JimT.  The pfSense twitter retweets some anti-Trump stuff from time to time, and with Russia sticking its nose into the US elections perhaps there is some sensitivity there?


  • Who cares? I really don't.
    There are no politics or any harm coming from me. The name selected 5 years ago, just whatever else it can be.
    I would not change my name to anything, just because "he wants".


  • Redmine and Github record change histories, and are used to generate change logs/release notes… so I would think it is reasonable to have a policy that users on those use their real names (or the names they are commonly known by, or at least not re-use the name of some "well-known" person (however you define that)). That way official release notes and... that acknowledge those who logged bugs or contributed or... will have "reasonable-looking" lists of names.

    Of course such a policy needs to be written and published.

    Then of course there will be lots of people called "Vladimir Putin" across Russia, not just the President. So for cases like that, someone would have to ask the person to declare that their name is "Vladimir Putin" and if they say yes, take that at face value.

    The forum could have a different policy, or no policy at all on user names, because "the project" does not later redistribute forum threads as release notes/change logs.


  • Yes, Thats what I mean.
    If policy accepts use of real name  only I will use real, no problem, but not that way as just "change…not kidding".
    EDITED: Just tired, sorry.


  • There are lots of others with pseudonyms there, so if there is a policy it's certainly confusing.


  • @KOM:

    There are lots of others with pseudonyms there, so if there is a policy it's certainly confusing.

    I don;t think there is any official published policy - so as I said, such a policy would need to first be written and published, then enforced.

  • Banned

    Perhaps re-register as Иосиф Виссарионович Джугашвили or Владимир Ильич Ульянов?

    Eh… :P  ::)


  • Yea, good point doktornotor  8)


  • Excuse the guy from not wanting his stuff to be a laughing stock filled with nonsense.


  • Expecting someone to change their name/ID etc. without any justifiable explanation is unreasonable.


  • @NOYB:

    Expecting someone to change their name/ID etc. without any justifiable explanation is unreasonable.

    I disagree - I guess it's house rules, though.

    Everyone is talking about Russian hackers and whatnot and theres bug reports signed by V. Putin.  Could you imagine someone scouring through this at some point and seeing that?

    That kind of thing isn't tolerated in serious environments, and I don't know about you but my opinion is you can't get more serious than network security.

    And hey, this would be hilarious on xkcd.


  • Would you feel better about it if it was the persons real name?  Would you still expect them to change it?  I'm sure there are plenty of V. Putin's in the world.  Silly to say they wouldn't be allowed to use their real name.  Assumingly because it's also the name of a famous person disliked by some.

    In a fortune 100 company where user id's were, still are, constructed of first initial and first n characters of last name.  Some times it created what some might consider to be vulgarities.  So it was up to people to just be professional about it and take it for what it was.  A user id.  I say take it for what it is.  It's just a name.  Whether the persons real name or not it is still just a name.  Stop making a federal case out of it.  Mountains out of mole hills.


  • @NOYB:

    Would you feel better about it if it was the persons real name?  Would you still expect them to change it?  I'm sure there are plenty of V. Putin's in the world.  Silly to say they wouldn't be allowed to use their real name.  Assumingly because it's also the name of a famous person disliked by some.

    In a fortune 100 company where user id's were, still are, constructed of first initial and first n characters of last name.  Some times it created what some might consider to be vulgarities.  So it was up to people to just be professional about it and take it for what it was.  A user id.  I say take it for what it is.  It's just a name.  Whether the persons real name or not it is still just a name.  Stop making a federal case out of it.  Mountains out of mole hills.

    Conceptually I'm with you, contextually I'm not.  I don't want to spread devious ideas but the last thing we want to find out is there are some devious people out there submitting bug reports that may or may not cause vulnerabilities.
    In the grand scheme of things it probably is pointless.  But in this paradigm, being IT, you are only as good as your data.  Why even bother protecting it with security if it's just nonsense?  Kind of defeats the purpose of what this is all about in the first place.  It is about data.


  • You are just being paranoid. I am not kind of "some devious people", so stop flooding here, W4RH34D.
    The reason is just no reason or probably he is glued to TV/media propaganda and thinks that everybody who take the "Putin, Trump" or whatever  name is an enemy of world order, who knows, he can explain or motivate me better but he just does not. Not providing policy nor commenting anything.
    As I already said I don't want any revolution here or anywhere else, just put some Terms of use or policy onto redmine site and I'll follow it.


  • @w0w:

    You are just being paranoid. I am not kind of "some devious people", so stop flooding here, W4RH34D.
    The reason is just no reason or probably he is glued to TV/media propaganda and thinks that everybody who take the "Putin, Trump" or whatever  name is an enemy of world order, who knows, he can explain or motivate me better but he just does not. Not providing policy nor commenting anything.
    As I already said I don't want any revolution here or anywhere else, just put some Terms of use or policy onto redmine site and I'll follow it.

    I'm just participating in a thread that I am interested in and find the subject matter important and want to voice an opinion I have not seen expressed.  If you have a problem with it, then it is more likely an ego issue more than that you have a real concern.  I think you're taking this way too far.  What is wrong with treating this project seriously?


  • @W4RH34D:

    @w0w:

    You are just being paranoid. I am not kind of "some devious people", so stop flooding here, W4RH34D.
    The reason is just no reason or probably he is glued to TV/media propaganda and thinks that everybody who take the "Putin, Trump" or whatever  name is an enemy of world order, who knows, he can explain or motivate me better but he just does not. Not providing policy nor commenting anything.
    As I already said I don't want any revolution here or anywhere else, just put some Terms of use or policy onto redmine site and I'll follow it.

    I'm just participating in a thread that I am interested in and find the subject matter important and want to voice an opinion I have not seen expressed.  If you have a problem with it, then it is more likely an ego issue more than that you have a real concern.  I think you're taking this way too far.  What is wrong with treating this project seriously?

    I don't have a problem, but I see to much useless words and this is my opinion, looks like you have a problem with it :)
    Sorry, really nothing personal, sure you can talk anything you want.


  • @W4RH34D:

    What is wrong with treating this project seriously?

    Seriously? Nothing wrong, but I think, serious project should publish own rules, policy, terms of use before take any action on a user, for example pushing him to change it's name to something else other then in the UNKNOWN list of prohibited well-known names and rejecting the real issue even if it's not just as critical to crash all over. It's just unprofessional. IMHO.


  • @w0w:

    @W4RH34D:

    What is wrong with treating this project seriously?

    Seriously? Nothing wrong, but I think, serious project should publish own rules, policy, terms of use before take any action on a user, for example pushing him to change it's name to something else other then in the UNKNOWN list of prohibited well-known names and rejecting the real issue even if it's not just as critical to crash all over. It's just unprofessional. IMHO.

    What is this? Irony day?  It is clear you are trolling.  You have a kind of script to you where instead of contributing original thoughts I just see my thoughts though mangled by your terrible interpretation spit back at me.  What is your contribution here other than stirring up a mess?


  • Trolling? That's what I feel when reading your posts, really.
    [sarcasm]Yea man, I've just registered 5 years ago just to troll you and all project around.[/sarcasm]  :(


  • @w0w, I understand your initial confusion but no-so-much your response to the request to change your redmine username. Change it and move on…

    Yeah, maybe pfSense should have a detailed list of objectionable usernames or you could just assume "all rules are subject to change".


  • @w0w:

    Trolling? That's what I feel when reading your posts, really.
    [sarcasm]Yea man, I've just registered 5 years ago just to troll you and all project around.[/sarcasm]  :(

    See you're doing it again.

    I don't think you understand what professional means, otherwise you wouldn't be shocked that someone who signed a bug report with Vladimir Putin on a serious project had it rejected based on that. 
    THEN you come on here to discuss it with just a basic college freshman "i'm offended" without any real contributions on why signing a bug report with Vladimir Putin should be allowed.  Hell I am not God, maybe there is some reason why that needs to be.  Though we've heard no real reasons.  So it begs the question - if there was no reason to it other than to be silly - it should have been rejected, harshly so that it doesn't happen again.

    Are you familiar with the concept of causation?


  • Just fundamental…
    How can I be sure that today chosen name does not exists in some Jim Thompson's or whoever blacklist and issue can be pushed, rejected or just ignored for any other fictional reason. This is just precedent to think about.


  • @w0w:

    Just principality…
    How can I be sure that today chosen name does not exists in some Jim Thompson's or whoever blacklist and issue can be pushed, rejected or just ignored for any other fictional reason. This is just precedent to think about.

    Ok, so what is the worst thing that happens here?  You add a number at the end of your name?


  • Who knows, may be this number can be ever pushed. For example 666 or some 13 or what?
    Sorry I've edited my post you have quoted, just for replace non-english word.


  • @w0w:

    Who knows, may be this number can be ever pushed. For example 666 or some 13 or what?
    Sorry I've edited my post you have quoted, just for replace non-english word.

    What happens in any online multiplayer game where the name is taken? OR a forum?  It makes you come up with another one.
    The human part in play here is you creatively overcoming a non ideal situation with professional integrity.  Add another 5 in there somewhere instead of referring to people accused of hacking the government.


  • @W4RH34D:

    @w0w:

    Who knows, may be this number can be ever pushed. For example 666 or some 13 or what?
    Sorry I've edited my post you have quoted, just for replace non-english word.

    What happens in any online multiplayer game where the name is taken? OR a forum?  It makes you come up with another one.
    The human part in play here is you creatively overcoming a non ideal situation with professional integrity.  Add another 5 in there somewhere instead of referring to people accused of hacking the government.

    I can accept this, but not after 5 years of successful use before some government hacking or anything else happened. Anyway I want to hear an adequate answer from Jim Thompson or resource owner about this situation or some policy. Not just the assumption that you offered, even if it's really good as I think.


  • @w0w:

    @W4RH34D:

    @w0w:

    Who knows, may be this number can be ever pushed. For example 666 or some 13 or what?
    Sorry I've edited my post you have quoted, just for replace non-english word.

    What happens in any online multiplayer game where the name is taken? OR a forum?  It makes you come up with another one.
    The human part in play here is you creatively overcoming a non ideal situation with professional integrity.  Add another 5 in there somewhere instead of referring to people accused of hacking the government.

    I can accept this, but not after 5 years of successful use before some government hacking or anything else happened. Anyway I want to hear an adequate answer from Jim Thompson or resource owner about this situation or some policy. Not just the assumption that you offered, even if it's really good as I think.

    Why divert their attention, wouldnt you rather have 2.4?


  • That's why I have created this topic on forum, without interfering in the redmine :)


  • @w0w:

    That's why I have created this topic on forum, without interfering in the redmine :)

    Right and I just want to suss out what the deal is about this. (not that I have any power here whatsoever)

    So I'm assuming you're not in the states, where you could probably add your state at the end of your name like W4RH34DTX?


  • I think you understand that there is no problem to change the name, but I'll wait a bit more. I can even use japanese to translate my real last name, so nobody can reverse it right way, place numbers or whatever but I am not sure that the current policy if it exists, accepts any other names that are written in Latin, not pseudonyms and  can be confirmed by driving license or passport, for example… I just don't know :(


  • @w0w:

    It's just unprofessional. IMHO.

    Pot, meet kettle. Dude, either do what you said in the title of the thread, or use another name. I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that as long as you don't go out of your way to pick a name specifically to troll or offend, you will be fine. Or you can complain here and argue with others in this useless thread.

  • Banned


  • @dotdash:

    @w0w:

    It's just unprofessional. IMHO.

    Pot, meet kettle. Dude, either do what you said in the title of the thread, or use another name. I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that as long as you don't go out of your way to pick a name specifically to troll or offend, you will be fine. Or you can complain here and argue with others in this useless thread.

    If it useless why you are writing here?  ;D
    I think it's not just as simple as you think. Ok, five years ago it was not good idea to choose this name and it's unprofessional from my side, yes, I just did not think about causation as W4RH34D mentioned. But this name was not used to troll or offend, so I successfully used it until now, when I was pushed to change it for "known" reason. And this pushing on a user in open discussion is not acceptable if you have not any other reason except those you have learned from TV. This is what I am calling unprofessional, if it's true, noting else.

    doktornotor
    You are welcome!  8)


  • And another thing that was pointed — issue was rejected for the same reason.
    Ok let's reject or delete all issues created by me if it so simple as you think.


  • Congratulations.  You've managed to completely deflect and derail this thread from the actual issue* and morph it into how to deal with already taken user names.

    Prohibited user names with out any publicly available policy or list.
    Requirement to change user name without explanation of any kind.  Not even an attempt to explain even when asked for.


  • Yes, I think it's time to close this topic.
    I would not change my name on redmine and would not post anything there since until I have an adequate answer, that can be send privately not even on public.