Asrock H270M-ITXac - interesting new board. Kaby-Lake + 2x1GB Intel NICs


  • Very interesting setup:

    http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H270M-ITXac/index.us.asp

    Kaby-Lake ready, 2x1GB Intel NICs.

    Together wit some new Intel Kaby-Lake processors like 3Ghz/35W Pentium G4600T seems to be VPN monster able to push probably 400-500Mbs AES-256.

    Anyone tried this motherboard already?

    best


  • +1
    As per my research this is the best price/options/perf/upgradability out here from new MOBOs (that you can buy with warranty from distributors) in Mini ITX factor.


  • @kroko:

    +1
    As per my research this is the best price/options/perf/upgradability out here from new MOBOs (that you can buy with warranty from distributors) in Mini ITX factor.

    Only downside is if you want low power since it does not have an embedded CPU like the J4205, but I would imagine an i3 would be fairly low at idle.


  • Lots of 35W (and even 25W for E3) TDPs on LGA1151.
    https://ark.intel.com/search/advanced?s=t&SocketsSupported=FCLGA1151&MaxTDPMax=40&AESTech=true
    Sure, none 10-15W TDPs.


  • @kroko:

    Lots of 35W (and even 25W for E3) TDPs on LGA1151.
    https://ark.intel.com/search/advanced?s=t&SocketsSupported=FCLGA1151&MaxTDPMax=40&AESTech=true
    Sure, none 10-15W TDPs.

    I didn't realize the E3's went down to 25W, that is crazy low for a TDP, just a little pricey.


  • Yeah, but if using E3 is substantiated, then one just has to spend that much.

    As a reference, brand new
    Pentium G4400T (35W TDP) ~64 EUR + VAT.
    Pentium G4500T (35W) ~72 EUR + VAT
    i3 6100T (35W) ~99 EUR + VAT

    Sure 1151 CPUs currently will cost more as swaps/leftowers have't hit the market yet (and ones who have are still costly and mostly comes from those gamers rapidly switching CPUs - read high TDP).
    For older sockets, where used CPUs can be found cheap, there are issues with MOBO availablity having 2 Intel NICs. And for even older boards other stuff lacks (PCIe3, SATA3 a.o.)
    Everything stated is in the context of buying new or used hardware, not reusing exsisting one. :)


  • Just ordered Asrock H270M-ITX/ac along with

    • i3-7100T + Stock cooler + Arctic MX-4 (35W, AES-NI & AVX)

    • Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB 2400MHz DDR4 CL14 (2x4GB kit)

    • Samsung SM961 Series 128GB M.2 PCIE NVMe

    • HP NC364T PCI Express Quad Port Gigabit Server Adapter (used, 82571EB controller, same as Intel PRO/1000 PT Quad Port card)

    • PSU (TBD, as i haven't decided yet if i will rackmount this)

    • Case (same as PSU, TBD)

    I sourced everything from local (@Latvia) online shops, everything with warranty. I don't have to pay VAT for this as I am buying as a company (there are some weird Latvian laws when buying computer parts that I do not resell later - no VAT, ever). If I bought within EU (say Germany or Brexit) I still would not have to pay VAT immediately, but later on it will be calculated and would have to be paid.

    Thus for brand new 6 Port Intel 1GbE NIC box current spendings including shipping are 398 EUR w/o VAT. 80+ class PSU + Case will add some 100+ EUR. Meaning totally spending ~550EUR which is ~60% from SG-4860 as it is sold within EU @~900 EUR. Even if I put some 25W E3 Xeon it still would be cheaper.

    I know, I know.. smells like overkill, but I'll try to benchmark it and explain why I chose some more expensive parts over less expensive ones (Like 8GB 2400 over 4GB 2133 and NVMe over simply 32GB M.2 SATA3, but you may already guess that main reasons are availability and that the price step is quite negligible).


  • This board looks more interesting with all that available horsepower:

    http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NF592.html

    It's not yet Kaby Lake compatible but that's just a FW update away.


  • jetway has 8 ports and costs 242 EUR + VAT in EU, which considering port count is super nice :o
    for H270M-ITX/ac + NC364T (so 6 ports total) I spent 97.52+57.02 = 154.54 EUR + VAT.


  • so finally got time to start putting things together.

    using ubuntu for tests.

    first are NVMe tests.
    hdparam shows mad stuff.
    bonnie++ more realistic for real usage (HTML can be found here)

    currently doing burnin for CPU, RAM and SSD. screenshot above shows situation after ~2 hours.

    CPU temp never above 53 °C (right now mobo it is not in a case).
    power consumption on this 100% CPU/RAM/SSD burn in is 66W. it could be smaller as currently i am using old noname 550W PSU (definately not 80+ rated as well as ~12% loading is definitely inefficient).
    on normal usage whole system sits at ~42W.


  • next test comparing relatively (not throughput test) all NICs.

    it was done using iperf with one way, reverse and dualtest, each set for 70 seconds and omitting first seconds.
    server is macbook pro with 1Gbe onboard LAN, running os x
    client is router in question, running ubuntu
    they were connected using consumer grade 1GbE unmanaged TP-LINK switch in between, no other activity on the network, intranet only

    port 1
    onboard i211
    940-942 Mbits

    port 2
    onboard i219-V
    937 Mbits

    port 3
    PCIe HP NC364T (82571EB controller, same as Intel PRO/1000 PT Quad Port Server Adapter card)
    940-942 Mbits

    port 4
    –||--
    940-942 Mbits

    port 5
    --||--
    940-942 Mbits

    port 6
    --||--
    940-942 Mbits

    So i guess onboard i219-V is 3 Mbits slower ;)


  • How does the HP NC365T compared to the NC364T nic? Any advantages?


  • next test comparing throughput, "pass and don't ask" NAT forward for WAN to LAN 1024+ port range
    pfsense 2.4.0-BETA-amd64-20170228-0411

    all speeds the same (940-942 Mbits) for all ports on PCIe HP NC364T

    did not test i219-V though, but it will be used for WAN2.

    –-------
    offt @patrick0525

    dunno, it uses same Intel controller. NC365T seems to be PCIe 2.0 x4 though.
    however PCIe 1.0a x4 (which NC364T is) is enough for four 1GbE ports @ full duplex (otherwise HP would not have been making them :)). PCIe 1.0a x4 throughput is 250MBps * 4 = 1000MBps = 8Gbps, needed throughput for full duplex is 1Gbps * 4 * 2 = 8Gbps, however i cannot think of situation where this would happen (you should not use pfsense box as switch).

    if you can afford, look for newer generation 4 port card. Some examples might be:
    Supermicro AOC-SGP-I4 @ 82576
    I340-T4 @ 82580
    I350-T4V2 @ I350
    as imho NC364T is big power consumer in the system right now (you can read about the high power consumption for this card at most discussion in interwebs). There is a possible switch to some cooler and more economic card in future when new gen cards hit used market more widely thus bringing price down, but until then NC364T will serve (looks like many users here are using it).


  • @kroko Thanks


  • @patrick0525:

    How does the HP NC365T compared to the NC364T nic? Any advantages?

    A quick google search shows that both use the same Intel 82571EB chipset.  Can't imagine there's much difference in real world use or performance.



  • Basic VPN speed tests (same setup as in post #12)

    The intranet is 192.168.10.0/24
    pfSense has WAN IP 192.168.10.100

    VPN client is macOS 10.12.4 (192.168.10.146)
    Endpoint (within pfSense LAN) is macOS 10.12.4 (192.168.1.130)

    –------------------------------------------------
    L2TP over IPSec
    Used macOS built in network pane to set it up

    415 Mbits/sec average

    –------------------------------------------------
    IKEv2
    Used Apple Configurator Version 2.3 (3D68) to make cert based profile
    Connection afterwards in OS built in network pane

    499 Mbits/sec average

    –------------------------------------------------
    OpenVPN
    Used Tunnelblick client (OpenVPN 2.4.0, OpenSSL 1.0.2k), cert based

    304 Mbits/sec average

    –------------------------------------------------

    I did not test pfSense loading averages, but on first glance monitoring history reports max sysload 27.26%


  • Hello,

    I'm tempted to build a similar one:

    • Asrock H270M-ITX/AC £124.55
    • Intel Core I3-7100T £117.35
    • Corsair CMK8GX4M2A2400C14 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) £64.99
    • Samsung SM961 Polaris 128GB M.2 PCIe NVMe High Performance SSD £74.53
    • SilverStone SST-ML05B (micro-itx case) £42.10
    • Corsair SF Series SF450 SFF 450 W Fully Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply Unit £78.72

    That's a high perf 2x intel nic box for £500 which should be way overkill for my home usage.
    But it seems future proof:

    • could swap i3 with i7 and potentially a xeon E3 if they add the supports?
    • up to 32GB
    • expansion card possible with 2x or 4x intel nics

    Or I could get a zotac zbox ci323 for £150 + adding a bit of ram and ssd. But seems pretty sad after the other build :-)

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    @mazaru:

    Hello,

    I'm tempted to build a similar one:

    • Asrock H270M-ITX/AC £124.55
    • Intel Core I3-7100T £117.35
    • Corsair CMK8GX4M2A2400C14 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) £64.99
    • Samsung SM961 Polaris 128GB M.2 PCIe NVMe High Performance SSD £74.53
    • SilverStone SST-ML05B (micro-itx case) £42.10
    • Corsair SF Series SF450 SFF 450 W Fully Modular 80 Plus Gold Power Supply Unit £78.72

    That's a high perf 2x intel nic box for £500 which should be way overkill for my home usage.
    But it seems future proof:

    • could swap i3 with i7 and potentially a xeon E3 if they add the supports?
    • up to 32GB
    • expansion card possible with 2x or 4x intel nics

    Or I could get a zotac zbox ci323 for £150 + adding a bit of ram and ssd. But seems pretty sad after the other build :-)

    Future proof, for home use? Out of curiosity, what are you guys using home routers for that you benefit from paying for prosumer SSD's & RAM, and paying extra for dual on-board NIC's as opposed to server pull i340-t4's when you'll be adding more NICs anyways?


  • @pfbasic

    Asrock dual intel nic mobo in the end cost me 107 EUR + VAT
    This is the cheapest Mini ITX mobo with dual NICs and M2 (meaning WAN and LAN is covered out of box, disk with no cabling).
    Sure there are cheaper mobos (sub 100 EUR), but they are with one NIC and are mATX. I paid extra for combination of small form factor, dual NICs and M2 NVMe.
    NVMe SSD cost 90 EUR. I could save saved some euros if going M2 SATA (starting 50 EUR, those below (Transcend brand) are super slow and have heating issues), but eh. M2 NVMe is more energy efficient than M2 SATA. Plain ol sata needing cables for power and data, meh (see photo in post #9 - thats finished system with all actual cabling). M2 NVMe = fast cache = fast logs = fast DB I/O = sad panda bit more happy.
    Corsair 8GB DDR4 for 57 EUR. DDR3 costs the same. It's hard to buy less nowadays :)

    This will be used in office.

    • everyday backup of local 36TB RAIDZ NAS via VPN to offsite NAS,
    • everyday serving cloud (i migrated from owncloud to nextcloud ~ 2 months ago, been running it for years) that sits in LAN of ~TB throughput (pulled this from air, was to lazy to check whilst writing this).
      disk consuming work on workstations (2D/3D animations) - each autosave/save hit means - sync now that multiple GB projectfile(s) for me. all colleagues together might hit "multiple hundred of saves per day".
      and work is collaborative (not all, shared cloud directories), so if one hits save, it goes to cloud, afterwards it is populated back to all other clients, that work on other aspects for the project. for those wondering - locally i have 16 such workstations, but not all are in same useshare groups, or move stuff around from user dir to shared dirs, so each "1GB" save is not exactly "16GB" of traffic. thus ~TB guess per day.
      yes, it does not hit router due to local DNS (stays inbound within switch), but when i finally finish this build i could do play with better security and throw cloud in different LAN all together (meaning all this would hit router) with different fw rules, or VLAN it.
    • serving cloud outbound to clients to check WIPs
    • serving cloud for clients to upload data
    • serving cloud for "remote devices" - laptops, some home computers are also logged in cloud, can work on projects wherever
    • serving web development server that sits in LAN. usual stuff. clients check WIP and on QA first content management is done in our server, before pushing to prod, but, sure, that is not every day. however - there are times when client is biggy and like all department wants to check WIPs.
    • serving VPN to developers that work at home/beach to do git push for code on local devserver
    • serving VPN to serve NAS outbound (this is rare, as all current projects are within cloud which is open to public, but sometimes you have to pull that old archived project from NAS)
    • serving office guest WiFi network (APs)
      i've been running this setup for years now - the new thing in progress is everyday offsite backup that i really wish to add (previously it was once a month) and thought - well, i'm going to give myself a present - a new router along the way for robust VPN. please say it is deserved, my gf thinks otherwise :(

    keywords: stable IObound traffic & VPN needed with future room to extra DMZ some stuff on OPT interfaces.

    at home i use cheapest TPLINK router possible :)

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    That is a cool setup for sure, thanks for sharing!


  • Thanks for your feedback kroko, it helps me to figure out what I need ! :)

    I think I will go for the i3-7300 CPU because it's 4GHz @ base frequency and I don't really care about TDP, electricity is cheap in France. But I hesitate to go with the ASUS P10S-I
    mobo and it's dual lan or go with a cheaper mini-itx mobo and PCIe HP NC364T. I'de prefer to get 4 ethernet ports to be future proof but I don't know if it's possible to fit the PCIe HP NC364T  inside SilverStone SST-ML05B. It seems like the bracket of the PCIe card won't be in correct position, am I right ?


  • Ok I've seen a video where the SilverStone SST-ML05B would be just fine with a PCIe card. But a M300 mini-box would require a PCIe riser card.


  • Hi

    Ive ordered Asrock H270M-ITX/ac few days ago along with G4560T and 8gb stick of 2400 cl15 ram and should have it soon. From what i know next month my isp is finally going fiber around here with 900/100 top offer (probably ETTH so i think will be able to connect cable directly to pfsense router and just use mac from isp device).

    Is it any differ which port will be WAN and which LAN on this motherboard?. LAN port will be connected to small TP-Link TL-SG105E (managed) switch and from there to two home pc's and two AP's in different parts of my home (nothing fancy here).

    Thanks!

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    i think that mother board has two intel NICs?

    If so, then it doesn't matter.

    If not then WAN should be intel and LAN should be whatever is left over.
    Unless you route a lot of inter-LAN traffic, then probably switch them.