Home network to keep wife happy + VPN (TV 4k netflix) + reduce intranet downtime



  • Greetings Everyone,

    I am kinda new here and would appreciate feedback & suggestion on home network and routing.

    Current Setup:

    • Linksys e4200 with DD-WRT
    • 12 Port Ethernet Switch
    • OpenVPN (route-nopull + Ip Policy Based to 1 ip address for TV for Netflix 4k directly using TV App)
    • LAN ethernet (Sonos Sound Bar, Synology NAS, AndroidBox TV, ObiTalk Obi110, Xbox, etc…)
    • 2.4GHZ (Sonos play1 speakers, HP Printer)
    • 5.0GHZ (Tablets, mobile, Amazon Alexa)
    • Tablet & mobile uses OpenVPN android app and Laptop uses Viscocity for OpenVPN

    Problem with Current Setup:

    • Each time I experiment with  linksys e4200 or OpenVPN I can potentially create an internal network or internet outage which means no more Sonos music, no more netflix, no more internet, no access to synology, no Android TV, Phone, Printer and then the wife starts nagging….  then the headache starts… then I have to fix the network and I can only re-try when the wife either sleeps or is away…

    The first time I installed OpenVPN, I used the default instruction redirect-gateway which routes ALL traffic.  Automatically you loose internet access. I would like to play with a router and still have internet so that I an google stuff and listen to music and watch shows recorded on my Synology NAS…  Get the picture ?  😄

    • Current Linksys e4200 has a 4Mbits OpenVPN bandwidth limitation which is barely enough for TV with netflix 4k and I don’t want to configure each device for OpenVPN… call me lazy…

    What am I looking to achieve:

    • Ability to play with a router/OpenVPN without screwing up my home network
    • Have a dedicated my home network that works even if internet is down because I have Sonos, Synology, Android TV, Printer, etc…
    • Ability to switich to a VPN easily, higher VPN bandwidth
    • Smallest size possible ( I am renting a small apartment, I don’t have space)
    • Silence and fanless is a must ( no fans)
    • Budget $1k USD ?

    My suggested design:

    Solution #1: Use 1 router with  DHCP Server on each port

    1)Internet Router(pfsense running on Hardware:qotom-q355g4)
        a) WAN:  ISP public internet by DHCP or PPPOE
        b) Lan: 192.168.10.1 is for management / DMZ / testing
                  - DHCP Disabled
        c) Opt1: 192.168.20.1 for home network 
                - DHCP Enabled 192.168.20.128-255
                - switch 1 = 8 ports  (Sonos, Synology, Android TV Box, Obitalk, Xbox, etc…)
                      Port1: AP-> linksys e4200 running DD-WRT
                                        -2.4GHZ
                                        -5.0GHZ
        d) Opt2: 192.168.30.1 with DHCP Enabled for  OpenVPN
                - DHCP 192.168.30.128-255
                - switch 2 = 4 port
                    Port1-> AP 5.0GHZac for VPN ?
        OpenVPN with route-nopull, Policy Based Routing 192.168.30.128/25
                          - This means that only DHCP range is routed through VPN, any ip under 128 should go through internet
                          - If TV is setup DHCP, I automatically get VPN ( Netflix in USA)
                          - If TV is setup static ip on Switch 2,  TV bypass VPN and goes through ISP directly

    Pros:

    • 1 hardware purchase
    • Easiest to manage / Centralized DHCP ip address
    • Linksys e4200 is just AP

    Cons:

    • If Internet Router has an issue (I screw it up ) then I might loose my home intranet (Sonos, Synology, Android TV)

    Solution #2: Use 2 routers but Home Router has it’s own DHCP Server

    1)Internet Router(pfsense running on Hardware:qotom-q355g4)
        a) WAN:  ISP public internet by DHCP or PPPOE
        b) Lan: 192.168.10.1 is for management / DMZ / testing
                  - DHCP Disabled   
        c) Opt1: 192.168.20.1 is for the Home Router 
                - DHCP Enabled only for 1 ip address 192.168.20.2 (Reserved by MAC Address?)
                - Can I put 1 cat6 cable from Opt1 directly to WAN to Home Router?     
        d) Opt2: 192.168.30.1 with DHCP Enabled for  OpenVPN
                - DHCP 192.168.30.128-255
                - switch 2 = 4 port
                - AP 5.0GHZac for VPN ?
        OpenVPN with route-nopull, Policy Based Routing 192.168.30.128/25
                          - This means that only DHCP range is routed through VPN, any ip under 128 should go through internet
                          - If TV is setup DHCP, I automatically get VPN ( Netflix in USA)
                          - If TV is setup static ip on Switch 2,  TV bypass VPN and goes through ISP directly

    2) Home Router (DD-WRT running Hardware: linksys e4200)
        a) WAN: 192.168.20.2 ?
        b) Lan 192.168.20.3 ?
                - DHCP Enabled 192.168.20.128-255
                - switch 2 with 8 ports
        c)2.4GHZ 
        d)5.0GHZ

    Pros:

    • 1 hardware purchase
    • Easy to manage
    • If Internet Router goes down, my Home network looses internet but my intranet  still works (Synology, Sonos, Android TV, etc…) Which means I can still access sono music, play movies on Android TV, access my synology data)

    Cons:

    • There is still a risk of internet access going down because of me playing with OpenVPN

    Solution #3: Use 3 routers with each router running DHCP Servers
    1)Internet Router (pfsense running  on Hardware: netgate SG 2440)
        a) WAN:  ISP public internet by DHCP or PPPOE
        b) Lan: 192.168.10.1 is for management / DMZ / testing
                  - DHCP Disabled   
        c) Opt1: 192.168.20.1 is for the Home Router 
                - DHCP Enabled only for 1 ip address 192.168.20.2 (Reserved by MAC Address?)
                - Can I put 1 cat6 cable from Opt1 directly to WAN to Home Router ?     
        d) Opt2: 192.168.30.1 is for the VPN Router
                - DHCP Enabled only for 1 ip address 192.168.30.2 (Reserved by MAC Address?)
                - Can I put 1 cat6 cable from Opt2 directly to WAN to OpenVPN Router ?

    2) Home Router (DD-WRT running Hardware: linksys e4200)
        a) WAN: 192.168.20.2 ?
        b) Lan 192.168.20.3 ?
                - DHCP Enabled 192.168.20.128-255
                - switch 2 with 8 ports
        c)2.4GHZ 
        d)5.0GHZ

    2) VPN Router (pfsense running on Hardware:qotom-q355g4)
        a) WAN: 192.168.30.2 ?
        b) lan: 192.168.30.3  for VPN network
                - DHCP Enabled 192.168.30.128-255
                - switch 2 with 4 ports
        b)opt1-> AP 5.0GHZ ac for VPN ?
        c)opt2 -> ???

    OpenVPN with route-nopull, Policy Based Routing 192.168.30.128/25
                          - This means that only DHCP range is routed through VPN, any ip under 128 should go through internet
                          - If TV is setup DHCP, I automatically get VPN ( Netflix in USA)
                          - If TV is setup static ip on Switch 2,  TV bypass VPN and goes through ISP directly

    Pros:

    • 2 hardware purchase
    • Both Home and OpenVPN Network are operating fully independently from my Internet Router.
    • I won’t require to go inside  the Internet Router because it’s more of a gateway/firewall.
    • OpenVPN is running  in an independent machine, I can reset the box, reformat, try different VPN, test new stuff, etc…

    Cons:

    • More expensive, 2 new router hardware, 3 routers for manage…. Overkill ?

    Questions:

    1. Which is the most appropriate solution based on my criteria  ?
    2. How will the routing work ? Did I get it right ? (Theoritcally )
    3. Can we have separate DHCP servers on each router ? Pros/Cons

    After a solution is selected I will start shopping for hardware and try it out !

    Thank you everyone for your feedback

    Please keep in mind I am not a network expert and I want something easy to manage because sometimes I might not connect to these routers for months…. need to keep it simple.

    Regards,

    ChefRayB

    Reference:

    Some thread I read before asking my question about the routing
    https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=76465.msg417893#msg417893


  • Rebel Alliance

    Why do you think if your edge router your local network goes down?  You do understand that pfsense has ZERO to do with devices talking to themselves on local network… Pfsense is the gateway/router - to get off their network!

    Other than providing dhcp, which is only needed once per how ever long your lease is… And dns if you are using pfsense for it - but most of your shit would just broadcast for name anyway…



  • Hi John,

    I didn’t really think of it that way because most of the time my router/gateway/wifi AP/switch is all in 1 box.

    Basically you are saying that pfsense has absolutely nothing to do with devices talking to themselves on local network beside allocating ip address via DHCP  (optional) and pushing DNS (optional).  The purpose of edge router running pfsense is to be a gateway/router.

    Therefore:

    Edge Router (pfsense with DHCP Enabled on Opt1)
          -> Opt1 (192.168.20.1)
                -> AP Wifi router dd-wrt (linksys e4200) with DHCP disabled, all DHCP request are managed by EdgeRouter Opt1) 
                        -> lan port 1  ->  static ip address 192.168.20.2
                        -> lan port 2  -> switch  ->  lan port 1 Device 1 (dhcp ip address 192.168.1.20.128) leased for 1 year
                                                            ->  lan port 2 Device 2 (dhcp ip address 192.168.1.20.129) leased for 1 year
                        -> lan port 3 -> Device 3 (dhcp ip address 192.168.1.20.130) leased for 1 year
                        -> 2.4GHZ    -> Device 4 (dhcp ip address 192.168.1.20.131) leased for 1 years\

    If AP wifi router is powered off then
              - Device 1 & 2 should still communicate because they are on a powered switch, already have an IP address assigned 
              - Device 3 is no longer accessible ( linksys switch is power off)
              - Device 4 is no longer accessible ( linksys switch is power off )

    Question:

    1. So there is no way, shape of form I can mistakenly screw up something in my Edge Router to STOP Device 1,2, 3 & 4  from talking to each other if they already have an ip address leased for 1 year ?  Can you please confirm this ?

    2. My gut feeling is telling me to setup the DHCP server on the WIFI router and completely abstract as much as possible my home network from my edge router.  Is there any drawback with that approach ?  Meaning is there an advantage to have Edge Router manage the DHCP addresses for my home network (e.g. firewall features, anti virus ?)

    Just found 1 advantage:  If I need to update my Edge Router,  I simply take my wifi router, unplug the RJ45 connected from wifi router WAN port to Edge Router Opt1 and plug it directly in my modem. Basically by passing my Edge Router. All my home device still work and also keep having internet which is useful when reading online documentation while working on pfsense Edge Router.  If I would have kept the DHCP Server on pfsense Edge Router Opt1 any device that doesn’t wifi ip address wouldn’t be able to get ip address (e.g. Wife comes back form grocery shopping and mobile is looking for wireless connection)  Does this mean sense ?

    So seem to have narrow it down to either Solution #2 or Solution #3

    Thank you

    ChefRayB


  • Rebel Alliance

    There is nothing you could do on the edge router (pfsense) other than giving it an IP that conflicts with one of your devices that would prevent them from talking to each other.

    Users seem to think dhcp has to be running 24/7 for some strange reason.  Your clients when they turn on will ask for an IP… They will not then ask to renew that lease until the lease has reached 50% of its life.  If it does not get a renewal… It will continue to ask until lease fully expires… So if your using a lease of a year… You could in theory turn off pfsense for a year and those devices would continue to use the same IP.

    Most devices once they have a lease and reboot, will continue to use that IP until the the lease has expired… Normally they will ask for renewal on reboot - just in case they moved networks and get told to use a different IP, info, etc…  But if no dhcp answers them they would just continue to use that IP.

    Now a lease of 1 year is a bit over the top.  Something like 1 or 2 days or whatever is good enough - that way if you want to hand out new info like different dns, different gateway, different ntp, etc… you wouldn’t have to wait 6 months for clients to ask to get the new info.

    While it is best to use dns… If your clients, especially windows are looking for a FQDN, and they do not get an answer from dns - they will broadcast for the name.  And the device with that name on the same local network would respond hey here I am this is my IP.

    There is NO reason to run dhcp on your wifi router - but sure if you wanted to, as long as you set it up to point to pfsense as your gateway and or dns you should be fine doing that.

    Your solutions with multiple routers are just pointless… There is zero reason to have multiple routers in the setup and are just more points of failure.  If you were worried about having HA (high availability) you would have multiple AP and or even multiple switches with your devices having multiple connections (lagg) and for your internet connection - ie pfsense you would/could setup a CARP setup ie 2 pfsense boxes.

    But this is really over the top for a home connection.  Other than the Multiple AP - but this is not really for HA, but just for sharing the load so you can maximize wifi bandwidth and have better wifi coverage over your whole house - I for example have 3 AP in my small 2k square foot house.

    If you have concerns - just unplug pfsense connection to your switch…  Can your machines still talk to each other…



  • Hi John,

    Thanks for the reply.  Just got home, Blue Jays lost against Tampa Bay 7-1.

    So basically having 3 routers seems an overkill.

    The concerns I have is that when I installed OpenVPN Client on DD-WRT router for the 1st time, the instructions required I put the command redirect-gateway, it makes OpenVPN  redirect all traffic to VPN. Because the OpenVPN wasn’t working, I lost internet access.  I had to disable VPN and reboot to get internet works again to be able to read OpenVPN documentation.  (Many VPN providers have their own DNS and over-complicated OpenVPN configurations, some have scripts, etc…)

    After reading on OpenVPN, I learned you remove “redirect-gateway” and put “route-nopull” and use Policy Based Routing to have a specific range.

    I guess it’s all about my risk appetite and the level of control/flexibility I want.

    Thank you

    ChefRayB


  • Rebel Alliance

    What does loosing internet access have to do with your concern of devices talking to each other… Yeah for sure you could do something to pfsense that breaks internet… That is not what you were asking about.



  • It was one of my main concerns which I described on my 1st post under “Problem with Current Setup”.  I was concerned with both local network and internet outages. Turns out local network isn’t really the problem…. it’s loosing internet access.

    Problem with Current Setup:

    • Each time I experiment with  linksys e4200 or OpenVPN I can potentially create an internal network or internet outage which means no more Sonos music, no more netflix, no more internet, no access to synology, no Android TV, Phone, Printer and then the wife starts nagging….  then the headache starts… then I have to fix the network and I can only re-try when the wife either sleeps or is away…

    The first time I installed OpenVPN, I used the default instruction redirect-gateway which routes ALL traffic.  Automatically you loose internet access. I would like to play with a router and still have internet so that I an google stuff and listen to music and watch shows recorded on my Synology NAS…


  • Rebel Alliance

    Well loosing internet access when you break the thing that gives internet access - how is adding routers to NAT yet again behind solve that issue?

    If you want to play with pfsense without messing with your actual connection pfsense - then setup a lab/vm you run pfsense on to play with vs messing with the one that is currently providing your network with internet access…



  • I’ve come to the same conclusion…. For now I’ll keep it simple.  Thanks


  • Rebel Alliance

    Also as to this

    “WAN port to Edge Router Opt1 and plug it directly in my modem”

    If your on a cable modem… That doesn’t work… Unless your devices had the same mac… So you would have to reboot your modem when the device connected too it changes.  So internet outage.  So you might as well just live through the few seconds/minute it takes to reboot your edge router on the update.

    I am currently running beta of pfsense, and I update it every few days to current code… Who cares if the internet is off line for 30 freaking seconds?  Especially when I am playing with it most times which is early morning or late at night… Not during primetime when the wife is streaming some video, etc… 😉



  • Yeah, forgot about resetting modem because of the mac address.  About 20 years ago, when I required to change my public internet address (was testing dynamic dns), I used to use the “MAC clone” feature by in my router, I used to do WAN DHCP release, change the MAC address, perform DHCP get in order to get the modem to return a different public ip address.

    Purely educational, assuming I clone my linksys WAN port with the MAC address of my edge router WAN port and statically set my current assigned public  WAN IP address to my linkysys router (10 seconds), I would be able to simply unplug my edge router and put my linksys  router (5 seconds) and the modem cable would never know that I just switched it thus not requiring to reboot. (assuming DHCP, lease has 2 days left) Would it work ? :-[

    IF the MAC address of the WAN port NIC from the edge router (e.g. qotom Q355G4 4 ports) is identical to the WAN port NIC of the linksys router which happens to be connected to the LAN port of the edge router. Would the edge router function correctly ?  I believe in an un-managed switch, it’s the port with the latest update that will be receiving data (perhaps some manufacturer implements it differently).  I have no idea how a router or a router with pfsense would behave !  Do you happen to know ? :-[

    modem–->wan port  [edge router] Lan port –-> wan port [linksys e4200] (DHCP Enabled)


  • Rebel Alliance

    Yes if you clone your mac… Which how exactly is that going to work in the same network…  But guess it would be on different sides of pfsense…  So now to reduce your outage to 10 seconds, your going to double nat? Yeah that sounds like a great idea <rolleyes>I do the mac thing with my cable modem for other VMs, so if want to play with different firewall/router distro - or different version of pfsense, etc…  I just use the same mac on that VM… Turn off old vm, boot up new vm with same mac and keep my same public IP this way.

    I really do not understand what your concern is here??  If you really don’t want your internet to go down - then get a 2nd line and use it for failover…</rolleyes>



  • Hi John,

    No concerns, it’s my geeky curiosity and trying to find a balance between laziness, easiness and flexibility.  It’s a home network, I definitely don’t need a fail over 🙂

    Back to the home routing, I believe I require the following protocols on my home network to work across subnets

    • TCP
    • UDP
    • SSDP (for UPnP and DLNA)
            - TCP port 2869 multicast (HTTPMU) (Windows hosts)
            - UDP port 1900 multicast (HTTPMU)
            - UDP (private port) unicast  (HTTPU)

    Overall Services

    • STP  ( Sonos seems to require )
    • uPnP
    • NTP
    • OpenVPN Client (Mandatory:  Watch NetFlix)
    • OpenVPN Server (Optional: I can connect from outside to my box, I have Synology NAS providing me [mymachinename].synology.me)

    Question:

    1)  Is that hard  to configure so that both the non-vpn and vpn hosts from each subnet can talk to each other ? I read  I would require to install IGMP,  UPnP & NAT and perhaps add some rules….

    1. If I stick with only 1 subnet under lan port1, I don’t have to worry about all this but I then won’t be able to switch between non-VPN to VPN on my tablets, mobiles, computers and my TV.

    Is there a way to have only use 1 subnet but have the option not to route through VPN dynamically from the client ?  Is that possible ?  ( I know that I can have device run OpenVPN client but that’s my last resort)

    My method to switch from VPN to non-VPN was to change different AP (wlan) and have the TV switch from dhcp to static.

    Thank you


  • Rebel Alliance

    “- SSDP (for UPnP and DLNA)”

    Does not work across subnets…

    Why do you think you need UPnP??  Do you host game via game consoles??  STP… so you have a smart switch that does spanning tree?



  • uPnP: I might do a bit of bitTorrent and I have Xbox/Wii
    STP:  okay, then I don’t need it since I have a managed switch.

    IF SSDP doesn’t work across subnets then  I won’t be able to see my DLNA media accross subnets which is important for me

    Do you know an elegant solution to accomplish the following:

    • AP 2.4GHZ Non-VPN
    • AP 5.0GHZ Non-VPN
    • AP 5.0GHZ VPN ( Go through VPN running on pfsense box)
    • LAN DCHP Non-VPN (e.g. sonos appliances, xbox, obiTalk VOIP)
    • All AP & LAN have DLNA/SSDP working (meaning all on the same subnet)
    • TV is connected on LAN and can easily switch between VPN vs non-VPN

    New Solution ?

    • ALL AP + LAN  on same subnet with 1 DHCP Server 192.168.20.128 to 255
    • For the TV, if I use DHCP I get non-VPN,  if I set static I get VPN but I might need to setup the DNS rather using the DNS pushed by VPN provider ?
    • how do I route only users on AP  5.0GHZ VPN to OpenVPN on pfsense  since they are now using the same DHCP server

    Perhaps there is no solution to what I want to accomplish……

    Thanks


  • Rebel Alliance

    “STP:  okay, then I don’t need it since I have a managed switch”

    Huh?? That would not be viable really unless you had a smart switch… Why do you think you need that?  Sonos do like to create loops on the network that is sure, since do they not talk to each other wireless and can be wired which creates a loop.  STP can stop that for sure…

    “For the TV, if I use DHCP I get non-VPN,”

    Why would you do that?  Just route it at pfsense, enable rule vpn, disable rule not vpn… Clickity Clickity - 2 seconds…

    " how do I route only users on AP  5.0GHZ VPN to OpenVPN on pfsense  since they are now using the same DHCP server"

    Why are they using the same dhcp server?  But this is done with dhcp reservation so you client is always the same IP.  You can then route them out the vpn or not route them out the vpn…



  • (Keep in mind I am newbie)

    STP: I thought I need it because I have a combinations of wired & wireless sonos appliances, the wireless ones use sonosnet which can potentially create a loop.

    Switching TV from vpn to non-vpn should occur by going on the TV (vizio) and simply switch from DHCP to Static ip address.  I don’t want to connect to pfsense and disable a rule “clickity Clikity”.

    The whole purpose of this thread is to be flexible and lazy and deal with Netflix geo blocking. Can you suggest me a home solutions with the following criteria:

    1. I would like to have 3 AP
        - 2.4GHZ access via  ISP provider
        - 5.0GHZ access via ISP provider
        - 5.0GHZ access via VPN  ( IF I switch my mobile, tablet, computer to 5.0GHZ VPN,  I am on VPN)
    2. Despite which AP I am connected, I would like to access all my devices, see all DLNA, see printer, etc…
    3. In my vizio TV, if I set to DHCP it routes to OpenVPN and if I set a static ip It routes to internet ( I don’t want to go in pfsense and do “clickity Clikity”)

    I can buy whatever I need (within reason), I prefer to spend a few hundred dollars more and have flexibility, meaning I don’t care if I need to buy one of more routers,  one of more smart or L2 or L3 switches,  AP, etc….

    Question:

    1. Would you be able to propose a solution that meets my requirement.

    2. I read your thread on VLAN ( https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=103903.msg581183#msg581183 ).  Can we use VLAN for the routing and DHCP allocations (e.g. each vlan has a dhcp server with a dhcp pool ?)

    3. I also read that IGMP might help to resolve uPnP and DLNA accross subnets  ( https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=36832.msg190581#msg190581)

    Thank you


  • Rebel Alliance

    Sure you could use vlans and dhcp reservations to have complete control of what devices use specific rules.

    I have read that yes sonos can create loops, and while its possible that some dumb switches have a basic implementation of STP… without knowing the exact switch model it would be impossible to verify that.  But to be honest I would be surprised if “dumb” switches actually support stp…

    Here is some netgear dumb switch, gs108
    https://www.netgear.com/business/products/switches/unmanaged/GS108.aspx#tab-techspecs

    for loop detection, or stp is shows NA…

    ? 1) Yes it would be quite simple to draw up a solution for you 😉  I have to leave for work in a few minutes - but if I get some free time at work can draw up some examples for you to work off of.

    As to IGMP - sure that is possible do do some stuff with, but a much easy to implement and configure solution is to just put the devices that use DLNA/UPnP to discover devices like a TV or streamer on the same layer 2 network.



  • Great !  Keen to see your proposal.    I also created my proposal based on my last week readings and reading your historical posts.  Keep in mind it’s 15 years I didn’t play in networks, never worked with VLAN and OpenVPN !  I started with 3com COAX cable network, Novell and HUBS !

    Curious to see the difference ! 😄

    Hardware required:

    • pfsense box ( 2 port or 4 ports ? )
    • Switch 5 port L2 Managed  ( Is there a L3 Managed under $200 worth it ?)
    • ubiquiti unifi AC Lite
    • 8 port switch un-managed ( already have)
    • 4 port switch un-managed ( already have)
    • DD-WRT Linksys e4200 (already have)

    Wan - Modem
    Lan ->  Switch #1 (5 port L2 Managed)
                      -> Port 1 -> trunk connected Lan of Pfsense Box
                      -> Port 2 -> Access Switch #2 (8 port - Unmanaged)
                                            -> Port 1 -> Port 2 of Switch #1
                                            -> Port 2 -> router DD-WRT
                                                                        -> AP 2.4GHZ (route to ISP internet)
                                                                        -> AP 5.0GHZ (router to ISP internet)
                                            -> port 3 to 7->(Sonos, Synology, Obitak VOIP, Xbox)
                                            -> Port 8 -> Switch #3 (4 port - Unmanaged)
                                                      -> port 1-4 (Sonos)
                      ->Port 3 -> trunk ubiquiti unifi ac lite
                                                          -> AP 5.0GHZ (route to VPN)
                      ->Port 4 ->  access TV
                      ->Port 5 ->  access empty

    VLAN ID descriptions:
    vlan1 default, I read don’t touch it
    vlan2 home  internet via ISP
    vlan3 vpn  internet via  OpenVPN

    VLAN Configuration of switch #1 5 ports L2 Managed
    Port1, Trunk, Tagged, vlan1,vlan2,vland3
    Port2, Access, UnTagged, vlan2
    Port3, trunk, Tagged, vlan3
    Port4, Acccess, UnTagged, vlan3
    Port5, Access, UnTagged, vlan2

    Pfsense configuration:
    vlan:

    • go to interfaces / VLANs, select em1 and add vlan2 home  & vlan3 vpn
    • go to interfaces, add interfaces & associate VLAN  & enable them.
    • set ip address & subnet for each interface
      **home     **
          - home ip address 192.168.20.128/25  (62 hosts from 129 to 190)
          - home dhcp server range 192.168.20.129-130  ( I might move the DHCP to the DD-WRT for the home network )
      vpn
          - vpn ip address 192.168.20.192/26  (62 hosts from  193 to 254)
          - vpn dhcp server range 192.168.20.193-254
      Firewall:
          -  rule #1 add home rule allow ipv4, source home 192.168.20.1/25  port *, dest *, port * , gateway * ( Router Port 2 home all static  route to internet)
            - rule #2 add home rule allow ipv4, source home 192.168.20.128/25  port *, dest *, port * , gateway * ( Router Port2 home DHCP address  route  to internet)
            - rule #3 add GoViaVPN  rule allow  ipv4, source 192.168.20.192/26 , port *, dest *, port * , gateway * ( Router Port 3 & 4 VPN DHCP Address route to VPN)
              (If TV on port 3 is set to static (e.g. 192.168.20.100), it will route based on Rule #1)

    OpenVPN  Client Setup:

    • Create OpenVPN Client,  create interface & assign the OpenVPN Client connection, call it “openvpn_client”
    • Under Advanced Configuration, make sure you put route-nopull
      OpenVPN  Client NAT:
    • rule #4 add NAT rule  source 192.168.20.192/26 , port *, gateway vpn address, port *  ( All ip address from DHCP  Server on 5.0GHZ VPN are routed to VPN)

    Install IGMP

    • link vlan2 and vlan3 and make sure L2 Managed Switch has IGMP supported

    Functionality:

    • Home static Lan, DHCP Lan, Home AP 2.4, AP 5.0 have access to home appliances + DLNA/UPnP available
    • VPN AP 5.0GHZ will allow me to route through VPN for internet anytime I want
    • If my TV is DHCP, it will route to VPN
    • If my TV is static ip ( Despite being on a vlan3 VPN port) when the packet exits L2 Smart Switch as vlan3 tag the Firewall rule is looking at IP address not the vlan3 tag)  Does this make sense ?
    • If OpenVPN goes down, I still have internet
    • if edge router pfsense goes down, I only loose Internet for a while.
    • if edge router pfsense goes down for week,  I enable DHCP on Linksys DD-WRT on WAN Port and plug directly to MODEM.

    Further down the line:

    • Possibility to add another 3 additional AP with ubiquiti AP AC Lite  ( Different VPN Provider,  Guest , 5.0ghz AC Internet )
    • Create a vlan for Obitalk VOIP

    Thank you  🙂



  • After writing my previous post, I just realized I don’t really need L2 managed, ubiquiti AP and the usage of VLAN .
    VLANs are simply virtual interface sharing same hardware….  So a pfsense box with 4 ports (wan, lan, opt1, opt2) would suffice in theory.

    Hardware required:

    • pfsense box ( 4 ports )
    • 8 port switch un-managed ( already have)
    • 4 port switch un-managed ( already have)
    • DD-WRT Linksys e4200 (already have)
    • cheap used router configured as AP supporting 5.0ghz (will ask around or still buy ubiquiti if can’t get cheap 5.0ghz)

    Pfsense Box (4 ports)
    Wan - Modem
    Lan ->  router DD-WRT
                -> DHCP Server Enabled  ( This makes by dd-WRT fully independent)
                          - home ip address 192.168.20.129/25  (62 hosts from 129 to 190)
                          - home dhcp server range 192.168.20.130-190
                -> AP 2.4GHZ (route to ISP internet)
                -> AP 5.0GHZ (router to ISP internet)
                -> wan  -> pluged to Lan of Pfsense Box
                -> Port 1 -> Access Switch #2 (8 port - Unmanaged)
                                            -> Port 1 -> pluged to port 1 of router DD-WRT
                                            -> port 2 to 7->(Sonos, Synology, Obitak VOIP, Xbox)
                                            -> Port 8 -> Switch #3 (4 port - Unmanaged)
                                                      -> port 1-4 (Sonos)
    Opt1 -> Cheap AP router
                        -> AP 5.0GHZ (route to VPN)
    Opt2 -> plug directly to TV

    pfsense configuration with interfaces (without any VLAN)
    Lan interface internet via ISP
    Opt1 internet via  OpenVPN  (opt1 is connected to AP )
    Opt2 internet via OpenVPN  (opt2 is connected to TV)

    Lan interface (DHCP Disabled, my dd-wrt will take care of everything for home)

    • home ip address 192.168.20.64/26  (62 hosts from 65 to 126)

    Opt1 interface (DHCP enabled, I put a used router for small AP)

    • vpn ip address 192.168.20.128/26  (62 hosts from  129 to 190)
    • vpn dhcp server range 192.168.20.129-190

    Opt2 interface (DHCP enabled, this is what I plug to my TV, netflix 4k ! )

    • vpn ip address 192.168.20.192/26  (62 hosts from  193 to 254)
    • vpn dhcp server range 192.168.20.193-254

    Firewall:

    • 192.168.20.1/25 (126 hosts from 1 to 126) to internet  ( this is my static range + dhcp range for home network to ISP )
    • 192.168.20.128/25 (126 hosts from  129 to 190) to OpenVPN ( this is my dhcp range for openvpn )

    OpenVPN

    • NAT 192.20.128/25 (128 hosts from 129 to 254) to OpenVPN

    IGMP-Proxy

    • Install  on lan, opt1 and opt2 ( Does  IGMP proxy supports more than 2 interfaces ? )

    Functionality:

    • Home static Lan, DHCP Lan, Home AP 2.4, AP 5.0 and DHCP Server all under dd-wrt router with DLNA/UPnP available
    • VPN AP 5.0GHZ will allow me to route through VPN for internet anytime I want
    • If my TV is DHCP, it will route to OpenVPN Interface which NAT translates to OpenVPN tunnel for internet
    • If my TV is static ip (<64), it will route to Internet
    • If OpenVPN goes down, I still have internet working
    • if edge router pfsense goes down, I only loose Internet for a while.
    • if edge router pfsense goes down for week,  I enable DHCP on Linksys DD-WRT on WAN Port and plug directly to MODEM.

    Thank you



  • After more reading and better understanding IGMP snooping v1,2,3, I think it’s worth getting a L2 smart switch because the multicasting across VLANs is done at the switch level rather than Edge Router !  I was reading the pdf manual of TP link TL-SG2008 and it allows multicast accross VLAN within the switch ! (See Reference)

    If someone uses more than the lan interface (e.g. lan + opt1)  on a pfsense router, then the pfsense box has to be responsible for multicasting between 2 interfaces if you want DLNA working.

    Is there any advantages having 4nics on pfsense box when you can buy a L2 Smart switch 8 port ?

    Thoughts ?

    Reference:  Page 90 of the user manual of TL-SG2008
    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/721763/Tp-Link-Tl-Sg2008.html?page=90#manual


  • Rebel Alliance

    There is always advantage to having more nics in your router… No matter how many switch ports your network has.  If you want gig speeds between say lan 1 and your OPT network.  If you use a vlan opt network that sits on your lan physical interface.  Any traffic between lan and opt is /2 since your hairpin the traffic.  The more vlans you add to an interface the more your sharing the bandwidth of the physical interface.

    I you have multiple interfaces in pfsense you can distribute your networks across multiple interfaces so that intervlan traffic is not hairpinned across the same physical interface.

    You should always use a smart switch if you ask me 😉  Keep in mind that if your goal is to do stuff with igmp and multicasting, etc.  those 30$ smart switches are not going to get you the features you really want… Very Very limited igmp stuff… You would want something more in full featured managed switch.  I have cisco sg300-10, picked up for $180 few years back.  Cisco sg350 would be replacement in that line.  Or the unifi makes some switches very reasonable priced - feature rich as well.

    But the simple way to deal with multicast and dlna is just put the devices that want to use that on the same layer 2 anyway…  To figure out the best layout of your network need to know all your devices and what protocol they are going to need talk to what other devices, etc.



  • The thing I like with TL-SG2008 switch is that it’s fanless, consumes <10 watts and can easily fit under TV cabinet.
    I rent a small apartment and I often move each 2 years and relocate to different cities each 5 years.
    The smaller, the better and the most silent/compact possible and lowest wattage.  Some countries is 0.23center per kilowatt, it makes me feel guilty burning high wattage when I don’t really need it and runs 24/7.

    My devices Modem Cable DHCP ( TV Cabinet)
    -> DD-WRT linksys ( TV Cabinet)
          -> AP 2.4 GHZ 1x printer and sometimes Mobiles/Tablets  and guest mobile
          -> AP 5.0 GHZ 3xmobiles, 2x tablets, 2x Alexa, 1xkindle,
          -> port1 Obitalk VOIP
          -> port2 Synology NAS nic1
          -> port3 Ip Cam or Laptop 1000Mbs (Upload picture from digital camera)
          -> port4 switch #1 8 ports ( TV cabinet)
              ->Switch #1
                  -> port1 Sonos Playbar, wired switch #1
                  -> port2 TV
                  -> port3 Android TV
                  -> port4 survey machine
                  -> port5 xbox/wii
                  -> port6 Synology NAS nic2
                  -> port7 DD-WRT
                  -> port8 switch #2 5 ports ( 6 meter, goes behind sofa)
                        -> port1 Switch #2
                        -> port2 Sonos Play1 left side wired, wlan manually disabled
                        -> port3 Sonos Play1 right side wired, wlan manually disabled
                        -> port4 Laptop (use on Sofa, 1000mbs)
                        -> port5 powerline dlink DHP-AV500  (Powerline is like a hub, no vlan support)

    Powerline (no vlan support)
    Sonos Play1 dining room wired with powerline
    Sonos Play1 kithen room wired with powerline
    Sonos Play1 guest room wired with powerline
    Sonos Play1 master room wired with powerline
    Sonos Play1 toilet wired with powerline

    See diagram attached

    Below are the services & protocol (Based on my research)

    session: Netbios,RTP, uPnP (SSDP)
    Tranports: TCP, UPD
    Internet Layer: ICMP, IGMP, IP, IPv4, (IPSec?)

    survey machine:
    No idea, it what works, I just know it works

    obitalk:
    Allow Outgoing:
    TCP Ports: 6800, 5222, 5223
    UDP Ports: 5060, 5061, 10000 to 11000, 16600 to 16998, 19305
    Allow Incoming on UDP Port: 10000

    Alexa Echo
    Output TCP: *, 80, 8080, 443, 40317, 67, 68
    Output UDP: *, 53, 123, 40317, 49317, 33434, 1900, 5000, 5353
    Input TCP: 8080, 443, 40317
    Input UDP: 53, 67, 68, 1900, 50000, 5353, 33434, 49317, 40317

    SONOS:

    TCP/IP:
    80 (Internet Radio, updates and registration)
    443 (Rhapsody, Napster, and SiriusXM)
    445 (CIFS)
    3400 (incoming UPnP events - Sonos Controller App for Mac or PC)
    3401 (Sonos Controller App for iOS)
    3445 (OS X File Sharing)
    3500 (Sonos Controller App for Android)
    4070 (Spotify incoming events)
    4444 (Sonos update process)

    UDP:
    136-139 (NetBIOS)
    1900 (UPnP events and device detection)
    1901 (UPnP responses)
    2869, 10243, 10280-10284 (Windows Media Player NSS)
    5353 (Spotify Control)
    6969 (Initial configuration)

    Synology Services
    Synology Assistant9999, 9998, 9997 UDP

    Data Replicator, Data Replicator II, Data Replicator III9999, 9998, 9997, 137, 138, 139, 445 TCP
    Hyper Backup Vault, DSM 5.2 Archiving Backup 6281TCP
    LUN Backup3260 (iSCSI), 873, 22 (if encrypted over SSH) TCP
    DSM 5.2 Data Backup, rsync, Shared Folder Sync, Remote Time Backup 873, 22 (if encrypted over SSH) TCP
    Snapshot Replication3261 (iSCSI LUN), 5566 (Shared Folder)TCP

    BT
    6890 ~ 6999 (for models with firmware earlier than v2.0.1-3.0401);
    16881 (for models with DSM v2.0.1 and onward)TCP/UDP

    Web Applications
    DSM5000 (HTTP), 5001 (HTTPS)TCP
    File Station5000 (HTTP, additional port can be added), 5001 (HTTPS, additional port can be added)TCP
    Mail Server
    TypePort NumberProtocol
    SMTP 25 TCP
    POP 3110 TCP
    IMAP143 TCP
    IMAP over SSL/TLS993TCP

    ![Home network_smaller.jpg](/public/imported_attachments/1/Home network_smaller.jpg)
    ![Home network_smaller.jpg_thumb](/public/imported_attachments/1/Home network_smaller.jpg_thumb)



  • Don’t use Powerline networking.

    For your Sonos, use its built in networking, give it a dedicated channel.


  • Galactic Empire

    @Gentle:

    Don’t use Powerline networking.

    Why, it works fine or are you talking with the Sonos, I hear their networking implementation isn’t the best.

    I carry 6 VLANS over mine and no issues what so ever.



  • My current PowerLine seems to work fine with Sonos.  the light sometimes go red on the powerline device  but it works 98% percent of the time.
    I use PowerLine for few reasons
        -  reduce where easily possible WiFi as much as possible in apartment ( Sonos)
        - when a Sonos is far,  easier putting  PowerLine than a WiFi repeater….
        -  when Sonos is far, it uses its mesh network, that sometimes struggles ( 2.4ghz congestion,  loops)

    PowerLine (based on my readings) seems to act line a hub , it has its the role and place,  it brings ethernet across the apartment over electric cable. I am renting apartment…

    I have a device that evaluates 0-8ghz frequencies power and trying to reduce it around me… we are getting bombarded enough outside home…I believe less frequency at home might be good…

    Over time…was thinking of getting ubiquity AP and put one in each room at the lowest power possible  so that no device in the apartment is broadcasting strongly… but that’s later…now I want to fiigure out my current network…

    Waiting for Johnpoz design / routing suggestion or anybody else that understand networks very well to suggest me their recommendation. I lack experience and wonder if my suggestion is correct.



  • @NogBadTheBad:

    @Gentle:

    Don’t use Powerline networking.

    Why, it works fine or are you talking with the Sonos, I hear their networking implementation isn’t the best.

    I carry 6 VLANS over mine and no issues what so ever.

    Powerline line is not 100% reliable. That is why I don’t use it.

    This apartment is small enough that the Sonos network will work a lot better, more reliable.

    Just put it on its own 2.4 channel. Any other WiFi AP, use channel 6 or channel 11, 20 Mhz width.



  • @Johnpoz

    Any idea when you will provide your suggestions ? keen to see your design.
    I won’t be home this weekend but I will have internet access to read replies.

    In the meanwhile, I have some design questions about bridge/IGMP/DCHP where I need some guidance/confirmation.  I am not sure how the routing would work in these scenarios.

    Let’s assume I am using qotom box with 4 nics
    -              Wan (cable modem)
    -              Lan (lan home network)
    -              Opt1 (AP OpenVPN network)
    -              Opt2 (lan OpenVPN network for TV)

    Scenario #1: If lan, opt1, opt2 is bridged and using same subnet 192.168.20.1/24
    Outcome:  UPnP/DLNA should work across bi-directionally all clients connected to all the 3 interfaces because the bridge feature behaves like a switch.
    Problem with Scenario #1 configuration:
        - Once bridged, only 1 DHCP server, can’t have multiple dhcp server and it will be somewhat difficult to route range IP address to firewall/OpenVPN
        - pfsense box is being used as switch rather Layer3 ip routing, just buy a $50 switch,  bridge should only be used to bridge AP at best…

    Question#1:  If Lan, opt1, opt2 is bridged but using different subnet (lan 192.168.20.1, opt2 192.168.30.1 and opt3 192.168.40.1), would the bridge feature still work ? can each client see the uPnP/DLNA ?  Will the bridge  still broadcast across different subnet or respect the rules of L2 subnet?

    Scenario #2: Keep lan, opt1, opt1 separate (non-bridged), all 3 interface share the same subnet 192.168.20.1/24,  have DHCP Server on each interface with ip range for each and enable IGMP Proxy
    Outcome: UPnP/DLNA should work bi-directionally across all clients connected to all the 3 interfaces or uni-directionally one way lan->opt1 & opt2.
    Problem with configuration scenario #2:
          - pfsense is being used for IGMP management, you can buy a smart switch or L2 managed switch and delegate this work to switch rather pfsense box
          - The 4 nics are used up, will need smart/managed switch to add more ip segments in the future.

    Question#2 What is the IGMP Proxy cardinality ?  bidirectional or unidirectional ?
    Unidirectional = By putting lan as upstream, opt1 & opt2 as downstream, this means that opt2 & opt3 are just clients and all the DLNA/UPnP Server must reside on lan.  That means if I take android tablet connected on Opt2 Interface and enable uPnP Server to share pictures, users connected on Lan won’t see the uPnP Server from Opt2  because IGMP Proxy is uni-directional, I’m assuming IGMP Proxy was designed from to cascade from WAN to LAN. 
    Bidirectional = IGMP Proxy is sharing everything both sides, DLNA/UPnP Server and Client are available & visible both sides

    Question#3  Must the interfaces share the same subnet so that IGMP Proxy works ?  (meaning  lan, opt1, op2 must all be under 192.168.20.1/24  or can lan 192.168.20.1, opt2 192.168.30.1 and opt3 192.168.40.1 )  It seems it supports multiple subnet (https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/IGMP_Proxy)

    Question#4 Does a Smart/managed switch support  bidirectional IGMP multicast (DLNA/uPnp) across:
    a) single subnet only ?
    b) multiple different subnets?
    c) across VLANs ?

    Thank you


  • Rebel Alliance

    Sorry derby weekend, and work last couple of days been busy…  Not seems have lots to read here…



  • Enjoy! Kentucky Derby @ Louisville looks fun!

    Never experienced that, perhaps in my 2018 bucket to do , will ask you about good seating location 🙂





  • Update:

    • Managed to play with a L2 Smart switch TL-SG2008 !  ( Big huge thank you to DennyPage)
    • Did more reading and played with a switch

    Can someone help me in validating the below:  ( Johnpoz, if you have time)

    Network Design Summary:

    • Create 4x vlans
    • Each vlan has access to all other vlan (All ports in each vlan are untagged for each vlan with the exception of trunk of course )
    • Each vlan shares the same subnet, meaning they can communicate with each other inside the same smart switch (arp should work)
    • Each vlan has DHCP server assigned to a specifc IP range
    • Configure the router to route certain IP range through OpenVPN rather WAN(ISP)

    I have 3 question bugging me

    #1 Since all 4x vlans are sharing the same subnet and each vlan has access to each port on the switch, technically all machines can communicate to each other without routing ? Correct?

    #2 In this design (vlan sharing same subnet), the only purpose of the VLAN is to allocate DHCP IP address so that I can route an IP range between ISP or OpenVPN at the router level (pfsense).  Feasible ? Will I end up with problems down the road ?

    #3 If I enable IGMP Snooping on each VLAN,  I reduce broadcasting noise when devices are streaming data because only the devices subscribed will receive the packets on the port on the L2 smart switch.  Correct ?  (Is it really worth doing it if you have a few devices on gigabit switch ?)

    thanks

    Ray



  • Update:  Just received qotom hardware today!

    @ChefRayB:

    #2 In this design (vlan sharing same subnet), the only purpose of the VLAN is to allocate DHCP IP address so that I can route an IP range between ISP or OpenVPN at the router level (pfsense).  Feasible ? Will I end up with problems down the road ?

    I just tried it, it says IPV address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is being used by or overlaps with VLAN xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/subnet.
    This means I can’t use VLAN just for DHCP allocation ips but have all the VLANs share the same subnet.

    I feel I am writing a blog here….

    Anybody can comment, am I trying to find a solution to something that isn’t really possible ?



  • I think what you are building is complicated and you are going to have figure it out as you go.  Personally I think it much easier to build VLANs if you assign a network to every VLAN.  Also to better support multiple devices it is better to use tagged VLANs rather untagged. Only use untagged for the default VLAN. When you use a trunk only one VLAN untagged can pass and that is the default VLAN.  I think you are going to find Apple and probably Sonos are not going to route so you will compromise your setup to fit within these rules.

    Personally I think a layer 3 switch works better when you use VLANs.  You can turn off your router and everything in your local network still works locally.  Watching TV off a NAS no problem, still works.

    I run pfsense using a Cisco SG300-28 layer 3 switch in L3 mode.  So I kind of know what you are building.



  • @coxhaus:

    I think what you are building is complicated and you are going to have figure it out as you go.  Personally I think it much easier to build VLANs if you assign a network to every VLAN.  Also to better support multiple devices it is better to use tagged VLANs rather untagged. Only use untagged for the default VLAN. When you use a trunk only one VLAN untagged can pass and that is the default VLAN.  I think you are going to find Apple and probably Sonos are not going to route so you will compromise your setup to fit within these rules.

    Hi Coxhaus,

    I think you’ve perfectly summarized the problem and I’ve came to a very similar conclusion.  I lack experience & knowledge, therefore it takes me a bit more time because I need to play around with hardware (e.g. L2 smart switch) to really grasph it’s limitation and flexibility.

    I am breaking down my home project in 2 phases:

    Phase 1: Pfsense (VLANs, uPnP, IGMP proxy, firewall, routing, OpenVPN) + L2 Smart Switch (IGMP snooping if required)
    Phase 2: Replace main switch with L3/L2 and only use pfsense for firewall/OpenVPN/routing.

    @coxhaus:

    Personally I think a layer 3 switch works better when you use VLANs.  You can turn off your router and everything in your local network still works locally.  Watching TV off a NAS no problem, still works.

    I run pfsense using a Cisco SG300-28 layer 3 switch in L3 mode.  So I kind of know what you are building.

    Yeah that’ my ultimate destination.  It will be an interesting journey that will take me many months to get there.

    Until today, arp -a is my best friend command !  Loving it 🙂



  • You may find phase 1 may be all you need.  You are going to able accomplish everything with an L2 switch except you won’t be able to turn off pfsense and have your local network work as there is no layer 3 device to route local traffic locally.  The other thing is all your network setup will be in 1 place.  I like my setup spread out as it is easier to work on for me.  I do router things on the router, I do switch things on the switch and I do wireless on the wireless devices. To me it is much simpler that way.



  • Agree in principle, breaking down each component makes it simple.

    Spent a few hours on IGMP Proxy and wasn’t able to get it working, doesn’t seem to work across VLANs.

    This will take much more time than expected.

    Reading on Cisco SG300-10



  • I seen some the Cisco SG300-10 cheap on eBay.  If you buy one flash it to the latest firmware before you set it up.  Download the latest software from Cisco for the small business switches as it is free.  It is the reason I run Cisco small business devices instead of the IOS Pro Cisco gear which is not free software.

    One other thing is start in L3 mode otherwise you will wipe out your config when you move over to L3 from L2.



  • I have been reading exactly the same thing on the forum, it’s the top 2 tips everyone suggest !  (1- Upgrade latest firmware 2-Activate L3 right away  3- Don’t forget to click save or else next reboot it’s gone)

    Will it be easy activating IGMP Proxy across 2 VLANs ? ( IGMP Proxy in pfsense doesn’t seem easy)

    I was thinking of SG300-10P so that I can use 2 ports with FOSCAM, I checked the specs, the P, PP, MP and MPP use 13 watts minimum compared to 10 using 10 watts.

    Reference:

    http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/switches/small-business-smart-switches/data_sheet_c78-610061.html

    SG-300-10P = 62watts
    SG-300-10PP = 62watts (POE+ Supported)
    SG-300-10MP = 124watts
    SG-300-10MPP = 124watts (POE+ Supported)

    SG300-10P 62 Watts 8 802.3af
    SG300-10PP 62 Watts 8 802.3at
    SG300-10MP 124 Watts 8 802.3at
    SG300-10MPP 124 Watts 8 802.3at

    SG300-10P 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 Centigrade)
    SG300-10PP 113 degrees Fahrenheit (45 Centigrade)
    SG300-10MP 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 Centigrade)
    SG300-10MPP 113 degrees Fahrenheit (45 Centigrade)
    SG300-10SFP 113 degrees Fahrenheit (45 Centigrade)

    SG300-10P 62 Watts 8 802.3af
    SG300-10PP 62 Watts 8 802.3at
    SG300-10MP 124 Watts 8 802.3at
    SG300-10MPP 124 Watts 8 802.3at

    SG300-10P
    Energy Detect Short Reach
    110V=13.13W
    220V=13.48W
    110V=81.44W
    220V=81.16W
    277.87

    SG300-10PP
    Energy Detect Short Reach
    110V=13.37W
    220V=12.99W
    110V=83.47W
    220V=81.58W
    278.36

    SG300-10MP
    Energy Detect Short Reach
    110V=12.21W
    220V=12.25W
    110V=154.36W
    220V=152.42W
    526.68

    SG300-10MPP
    Energy Detect Short Reach
    110V=13.41W
    220V=13.72W
    110V=145.7W
    220V=144.5W
    493.05



  • I don’t use ICMP Proxy so you will need to figure it out.  There is a drop down for it in the menus.  What are you going to use it for?  I think you are going to run out of ports before you have to have it. So your multicast hits a few extra ports. You only have 10 ports.

    I like I said this is stuff you are going to have to figure out as you go.

    I would go for a SG300-10 switch without power.


 

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