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      buraglio
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      I'm pretty sure it's just clipping the password before it sends it off.  I can't prove it yet.

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        buraglio
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        Yup, it appears to be clipping at 16 characters (assuming I'm interpreting the debug correctly).

        "username is blahblah with len 8 encryptedpassword is ƒ “>˜nÝeA&$Í ‡G with len 16 …."

        when in reality my passphrase has been set to 25 characters.  Now I just need to figure out where that is happening....

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          billm
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          @buraglio:

          Yup, it appears to be clipping at 16 characters (assuming I'm interpreting the debug correctly).

          "username is blahblah with len 8 encryptedpassword is ƒ “>˜nÝeA&$Í ‡G with len 16 …."

          when in reality my passphrase has been set to 25 characters.  Now I just need to figure out where that is happening....

          In Encrypt() (same file):
                  for ($i=0;$i<=15;$i++) {

          heh…ouch - if you fix it, I'll commit it - this code is different I believe in HEAD (we're using PECL radius now), so you might want to test there also if you get a chance.

          --Bill

          pfSense core developer
          blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
          twitter - billmarquette

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            buraglio
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            Where are you finding this?

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              billm
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              radius_authentication.inc: unmodified: line 120 of 129.  That file exists in /usr/local/captiveportal

              –Bill

              pfSense core developer
              blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
              twitter - billmarquette

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                buraglio
                last edited by

                @billm:

                radius_authentication.inc: unmodified: line 120 of 129.  That file exists in /usr/local/captiveportal

                –Bill

                I've been looking at this too long.  Mine is a little different (I'm running BETA2) but it was right there.

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                  billm
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                  @buraglio:

                  @billm:

                  radius_authentication.inc: unmodified: line 120 of 129.  That file exists in /usr/local/captiveportal

                  –Bill

                  I've been looking at this too long.  Mine is a little different (I'm running BETA2) but it was right there.

                  This is just a wild ass guess, but try changing that line from:
                  for ($i=0;$i<=15;$i++) {
                  to:
                  for ($i=0;$i<=strlen($md5checksum)/2; $i++) {

                  **edit:**nm, this won't do anything
                  –Bill

                  pfSense core developer
                  blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                  twitter - billmarquette

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                    billm
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                    A quick test of md5() shows that it outputs 32 hex characters.

                    bash-2.05b$ php t.php
                    abeac07d3c28c1bef9e730002c753ed4
                    2c9728a2138b2f25e9f89f99bdccf8db
                    bash-2.05b$ cat t.php
                    echo md5('1234567890123456') . "\n";
                    echo md5('12345678901234567') . "\n";
                    ?>

                    And it doesn't seem to care whether you enter 16 or 17 characters, it really does calculate the hash based on ALL of what's input.

                    That Encrypt() function is screwed though…
                    if ($i>strlen($keyRA)) $k=0; else $k=ord(substr($keyRA,$i,1));
                    does nothing...heh...barf

                    --Bill

                    pfSense core developer
                    blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                    twitter - billmarquette

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                      buraglio
                      last edited by

                      Cool, that jives with what I'm seeing.  Messing around with that number grabs more of the input but only the first 15 characters are encrypted.  With that change it appears to cut off at 17 characters for the password.

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                        billm
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                        OK, here's my comments on the Encrypt() function

                        
                                // Loop 16 times (md5() output / 2)
                                // This limits the effective password to 16 characters - is this really in the radius spec???
                                for ($i=0;$i<=15;$i++) {
                                    // Convert md5 hex output to decimal
                                    if (2*$i>strlen($md5checksum)) $m=0; else $m=hexdec(substr($md5checksum,2*$i,2));
                                    // Do nothing????
                                    if ($i>strlen($keyRA)) $k=0; else $k=ord(substr($keyRA,$i,1));
                                    // get the decimal character value for this character in the password
                                    if ($i>strlen($password)) $p=0; else $p=ord(substr($password,$i,1));
                                    // xor the md5 character with the password character
                                    $c=$m^$p;
                                    // Convert back to 8-bit output
                                    $output.=chr($c);
                                }
                        
                        

                        In reading the PECL code, I think what it's doing is XORing only the first 16 chars and leaving the rest alone

                        for (i = 0;  i < 16;  i++)
                                                h->request[h->pass_pos + pos + i] =
                                                    md5 _^= h->pass[pos + i];

                        Gut feel is that this also is wrong, but try adding:
                        $outstr = substr_replace($password, $output, 0);
                        right before the return in Encrypt() and return $outstr instead of $output

                        The answer is in the PECL code I'm sure, I just don't have the time to do all the research on this one.

                        –Bill_

                        pfSense core developer
                        blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                        twitter - billmarquette

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                          buraglio
                          last edited by

                          In reading the RFC (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2865.html Section 5.2), it sounds like it's skipping the second step to me:

                          If the password is longer than 16 characters, a second one-way MD5
                                hash is calculated over a stream of octets consisting of the
                                shared secret followed by the result of the first xor.  That hash
                                is XORed with the second 16 octet segment of the password and
                                placed in the second 16 octets of the String field of the User-
                                Password Attribute.

                          If necessary, this operation is repeated, with each xor result
                                being used along with the shared secret to generate the next hash
                                to xor the next segment of the password, to no more than 128
                                characters.

                          This isn't really my core competency so I may be wrong.

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                            sullrich
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                            @buraglio:

                            In reading the RFC (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2865.html Section 5.2), it sounds like it's skipping the second step to me:       
                                 
                                  If the password is longer than 16 characters, a second one-way MD5
                                  hash is calculated over a stream of octets consisting of the
                                  shared secret followed by the result of the first xor.  That hash
                                  is XORed with the second 16 octet segment of the password and
                                  placed in the second 16 octets of the String field of the User-
                                  Password Attribute.

                            If necessary, this operation is repeated, with each xor result
                                  being used along with the shared secret to generate the next hash
                                  to xor the next segment of the password, to no more than 128
                                  characters.

                            This isn't really my core competency so I may be wrong.

                            Heh.  We'll definately want to get these fixes back to m0n0wall once this is settled.

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                              buraglio
                              last edited by

                              I'm going to do more reading on it.  Do you believe that the asumption that it is skipping the second step (as referenced above) is correct?

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                                sullrich
                                last edited by

                                @buraglio:

                                I'm going to do more reading on it.  Do you believe that the asumption that it is skipping the second step (as referenced above) is correct?

                                Yep.

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                                  billm
                                  last edited by

                                  OK, I have something for you to test - it's not complete, but it'll allow you (hopefully) to test passwords up to 32 chars.  If it works, I'll clean it up a bit and make it support the full 128 chars we should.

                                  http://www.pfsense.org/~billm/radius_auth.diff

                                  –Bill

                                  pfSense core developer
                                  blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                                  twitter - billmarquette

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                                    buraglio
                                    last edited by

                                    Excellent, I'll patch and have some results for you by early tomorrow.

                                    nb

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                                      billm
                                      last edited by

                                      Just updated the patch - should work up to 128 chars now.  I'll run some quick tests through it myself.

                                      –Bill

                                      pfSense core developer
                                      blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                                      twitter - billmarquette

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                                        buraglio
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                                        What version are you patching this against?  I'm running BETA2 (BETA4 has issues booting on my dell 2850's) and had some errors with redirection after applying the patch.  I updated to the /usr/local/captiveportal in CVS (as well as added the authLDAP.inc that it requires) but still have some errors.  I'd like to mirror what you have been testing on if possible to rule out any version issues.

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                                          billm
                                          last edited by

                                          @buraglio:

                                          What version are you patching this against?  I'm running BETA2 (BETA4 has issues booting on my dell 2850's) and had some errors with redirection after applying the patch.  I updated to the /usr/local/captiveportal in CVS (as well as added the authLDAP.inc that it requires) but still have some errors.  I'd like to mirror what you have been testing on if possible to rule out any version issues.

                                          I don't have the box in front of my now that I'm at work, but it should apply cleanly against revision 1.12.2.1 of radius_authentication.inc:
                                          http://pfsense.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/pfSense/usr/local/captiveportal/radius_authentication.inc?rev=1.12.2.1;content-type=text%2Fplain

                                          Here's the patched Encrypt() function (all I changed)

                                          
                                          /*
                                           * $password = users password
                                           * $key = shared secret
                                           * $RA = Request Authenticator (random value it seems like)
                                           */
                                          function Encrypt($password,$key,$RA) {
                                                  global $debug;
                                          
                                                  if ($debug)
                                                      echo "
                                          key: $key
                                          password: $password
                                          
                                          * * *
                                          
                                          \n";
                                          
                                                  $output="";
                                                  $passlen = strlen($password);
                                                  /* figure out the number of xor rounds we need to run through */
                                                  for ($i=16; $i <= 128; $i += 16) {
                                                          if ($len <= $i) {
                                                                  $rounds = $i/16;
                                                                  break;
                                                          }
                                                  }
                                          
                                                  $z = 0; // How many chars have we xor'd
                                                  for ($x=1; $x<=$rounds; $x++) {
                                                          $keyRA=$key.$RA;
                                                          $md5checksum=md5($keyRA);
                                          
                                                          // Loop 16 times (md5() output / 2)
                                                          // This limits the effective password to 16 characters - is this really in the radius spec???
                                                          for ($i=0;$i<=15;$i++) {
                                                                  // Convert md5 hex output to decimal (md5 lengths are 32 chars)
                                                                  if (2*$i>32) $m=0; else $m=hexdec(substr($md5checksum,2*$i,2));
                                                                  // get the decimal character value for this character in the password
                                                                  if ($z>$passlen-1) $p=0; else $p=ord(substr($password,$z,1));
                                                                  // xor the md5 character with the password character
                                                                  $c=$m^$p;
                                                                  // Convert back to 8-bit output
                                                                  $output.=chr($c);
                                                                  $z++;
                                                          }
                                                          $RA=$output;
                                                  }
                                          
                                                  return $output;
                                          }
                                          
                                          

                                          –Bill

                                          pfSense core developer
                                          blog - http://www.ucsecurity.com/
                                          twitter - billmarquette

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                                            buraglio
                                            last edited by

                                            OK, I got it all cleaned up and patched it.  It is yielding the same error from the debug info.  From the debug output it looks liek it's grabbing 16 characters.

                                            "username is blahblah with len 8 encryptedpassword is …........with len 16 ........"

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