EE ADSL router in modem mode



  • Until recently I have accessed the Internet from pfSense via a Virgin media superhub in modem-only mode. I am now changing over to EE and have been sent an ADSL modem/router. Is there any way to set this up the same way? If not should I try installing something like DD-WRT on it?

    I don't suppose there is something like a FreeBSD version of DD-WRT is there?


  • Banned

    You should set up the modem as bridge and put a pfSense box behind it. No, there's no FBSD-based DD-WRT plus xDSL support in DD-WRT is pretty much non-existent.



  • I'm not entirely sure how to set up the modem/router as a bridge… Any tips would be appreciated...

    As for a FreeBSD based DD-WRT, I just came across this interesting link...

    http://adrianchadd.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/freebsd-on-tp-link-tl-wr1043nd.html



  • Now

    When you say EE ADSL are you 100% sure its just "ADSL" & not "FTCC"

    I'm with EE & using FTCC, What i used was a "FTCC BT Box" that has DSL in & Ethernet Out.

    I used PFSense with PPPOA mode & provided the Username & Password and it connected without issue.



  • I assume the F means Fibre… which is not yet available in my area so it's definitely ADSL...

    I was with Virgin Media before and used my VM SuperHub in Modem only mode.



  • Right.

    Few options, you can use the Provided Router, Remove the Firewall Rules & such and set a Static IP & Set it into DMZ, then use that IP for PFSense.

    This should give you the same joy.

    Hope the above helps.


  • Netgate Administrator

    Yeah you have a number of options there.

    I used a Draytek V120 ADSL modem successfully for years. The V130 supports VDSL too so you'd be ready for FTTC when it reaches you.

    The BT Openreach modems are available and would do that same job I believe. Never tried to use mine for ADSL but they should be capable.

    There are other devices doing similar xDSL bridge setup.

    What actually is the device EE supplied you with? It might have a 'bridge' mode. It might be *-wrt compatible but I'd suggest getting something else to do that with.

    Steve



  • The EE router says Model name: Bright Box (R) Wireless Router. I don't see any indication about what it really is…


  • Netgate Administrator

    Like this?:
    https://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/arcadyan/ar7516

    I would advise you just get something already configured as a modem if you can. Unless of course you want he fun that can be had installing custom firmware.  ;)

    Steve



  • I have collected quite a number of ADSL modem/routers over the years and would be interested in trying to use an alternative to the EE modem/router but a problem I've noticed with the EE box is that the Broadband password is ****ed out and I don't know how to find out what it is - or if anyone will tell me what it is.

    I'm wondering if this would be the best bet for me as a simple ADSL modem for connection to my pfSense box (assuming I can get it working with EE) :-

    https://www.dlink-direct.co.uk/dsl-320b


  • Netgate Administrator

    If it has pass-through mode so you can run the ppp session from pfSense that would probably work.

    I can only say I know the Draytek V120 works because I've tested it. They look to be reasonably priced second hand now.

    Steve



  • This shows how to set up bridge mode:-

    http://www.dlink.com/uk/en/support/faq/modems/dsl-modems/dsl_320b/how-to-setup-dsl-320b-revision-z1-in-bridge-mode

    I that the same as pass-through mode? (Apologies if that is a dumb question…)



  • @Stan464:

    Now

    When you say EE ADSL are you 100% sure its just "ADSL" & not "FTCC"

    I'm with EE & using FTCC, What i used was a "FTCC BT Box" that has DSL in & Ethernet Out.

    I used PFSense with PPPOA mode & provided the Username & Password and it connected without issue.

    So do you just connect your pfSense box to the EE ADSL box and only use one port? I was using a Virgin SuperHub previously but had to set it up in modem mode. Do I need to make any changes on the EE box? And what IP addresses should I use?


  • Netgate Administrator

    Looks like he just used an Openreach 'modem' as supplied by BT to everyone before soho routers were commonly available with built in VDSL modems. Check Ebay.

    But he has an FTTC connection (VDSL) and you do not, yet.

    Steve



  • I managed to come up with a solution whereby I set my EE ADSL modem/router's gateway to 192.168.100.1 and connected one port to the WAN port on my pfSense box which provided my pfSense box with a WAN port IP address via DHCP from the EE box.

    It seems to work, but I don't really know if this is just a kludge or not…



  • I use a Draytek V130 in bridge mode, excellent performances. I have a VDSL 100/20 with a current connection of real 95/19.



  • How do you measure this speed?



  • @Balanga:

    How do you measure this speed?

    From a wired PC, an average performances using speed test (mostly for upload performances) and pfSense traffic graphs on single source download . From Vigor 130 GUI the actual rate is 107.9 Mbps/ 21.6Mbps…
    Of course the real connection speeds depends on the time of the day, but I can easly get those speeds duing night, I am less than 100 meters from cabinet (Broadcom).



  • That doesn't sound like ADSL…. I've just tried Speedtest and get around 5.0/1.0.

    Not sure how that can be significantly increased using a different router/modem...



  • @Balanga:

    That doesn't sound like ADSL…. I've just tried Speedtest and get around 5.0/1.0.

    Not sure how that can be significantly increased using a different router/modem...

    If you have a ADSL/ADSL2 connection your speed depends on the distance from ISP DSLAM and if you are distant changing Modem cannot help you. Can you post a screenshot of your line? I mean, we need to know attenuation and type of line.

    https://www.speedguide.net/dsl_speed_calc.php



  • Thanks for the link, but I'm afraid all this stuff is way over my head….

    Where do I find 'Downstream Attenuation'?



  • @Balanga:

    Thanks for the link, but I'm afraid all this stuff is way over my head….

    Where do I find 'Downstream Attenuation'?

    You should find line information accessing the webGUI of your modem…it is a quite normal and vital information of your connection.



  • I spent ages looking then found this post on the EE forums:-

    https://community.ee.co.uk/t5/Archive/Upgraded-to-Brightbox-NOT-very-fast-is-it/td-p/18588

    Then go to Advanced Settings / Accept / SYSTEM / ADSL Status

    You should then get a full set of stats for the router.

    Which should look something like this:

    ADSL Status
    This page shows information about your ADSL connection if applicable.
    Status
    Configured Current
    Line Status –- SHOWTIME
    Link Type --- Fast Path
    Operation Mode G992.5(ADSL2+) G992.5(ADSL2+)
    Data Rate Information
    Stream Type Actual Data Rate
    Upstream 1240 (Kbps.)
    Downstream 9727 (Kbps.)                            <<<------THIS IS THE FIGURE WE ARE INTERESTED IN
    Defect/Failure Indication
    Operation Data Upstream Downstream
    Noise Margin ...... 5.9 dB 10.9 dB
    Line Attenuation 15.6 dB 29.5 dB

    which I guess is what I'm looking for…except I don't see such an option... Maybe I'll try a different router.



  • I've replace the EE Bright Box with a D-LINK DSL-2640R which does show  ADSL statistics:-

    ADSL STATISTICS

    Mode: ADSL2 PLUS
    Type: ANNEX_A
    Status: Showtime

    Downstream Upstream
    Rate (Kbps): 6788 kbps 972 kbps

    SNR Margin (dB): 3.7 5.5
    Attenuation (dB): 50.0 27.0
    Output Power (dBm): 0.0 12.3

    Super Frames: 21794 21795
    RS Correctable Errors: 15699 9
    RS Uncorrectable Errors: 2 4

    HEC Errors: 21 0
    Total Cells: 102129 36584
    Data Cells: 101859 36584
    Bit Errors: 0 0

    Attentuation is 50.0 dB

    and the SG DSL Speed Calculator shows:-

    DSL Maximum Speed Calculator
    Downstream Attenuation 50 dB
    Cable loss 13.81 dB/km (default=13.81)
    Approximate Distance 3621 meters
    ADSL Max Speed 4898 kbps
    ADSL2+ Max Speed 5237 kbps
    VDSL2 Max Speed kbps

    Not sure what any of this means or if I would get different figures with a different router.



  • Unfortunately with an attenuation of 50dB you are really far from your ISP DSLAM, changing modem won't improve your line since it ia a physical limit. Another issue could be the plug your modem is connected to and its wiring, you can call a technician to check your house phone line and see if the attenuation is related to it. Another thing is to call your ISP and ask for the distance between your house and their DLAM, if they reply you are more than 3 km far…well you really cannot improve your line.