Is this setup going to work without any errors?



  • Hi friends,  simply put I want to build a Chao but powerful and less watt consuming build.  Hence I came up with my own parts selection.  Can you guys review the parts and give me your feedback whether it really works or is there a better alternative one?

    AMD A4-6300, 2x 3.70GHz: CPU,  costs 27€
    GigaByte GA-F2A68HM-S1: Mobo, costs 36€
    Chieftec Compact Series IX-01B Ultra Small Form Factor Mini-ITX: case, costs  30€
    Mini-Box PicoPSU-90, 90W extern: power, costs 29€
    Mini-Box 90W universal power adapter for pico psu: costs 15€
    IBM i340-T4 nic card: costs 37€
    4GB RAM ddr3l: costs 32€
    64GB ssd:costs 40€
    Total: 246€

    Is it better than buying qotom mini pc or building diy kit like this?
    Pls share your thoughts on my budget build.
    Thanks in advance.



  • @plikmuny:

    Chieftec Compact Series IX-01B Ultra Small Form Factor Mini-ITX: case, costs  30€
    IBM i340-T4 nic card: costs 37€

    That case AFAIK has no room for an expansion card.



  • @Grimson:

    @plikmuny:

    Chieftec Compact Series IX-01B Ultra Small Form Factor Mini-ITX: case, costs  30€
    IBM i340-T4 nic card: costs 37€

    That case AFAIK has no room for an expansion card.

    Which case would you suggest for this combination?
    When it's adjusted,  do you think it's better than qotom q350g4 with i5 4200u CPU?



  • If the NIC is a low profile version: Silverstone ML9 otherwise the: Fractal Design Node 202. Those are my personal favorites, and with those you can use a normal SFX power supply.

    As for the CPU performance I'd suggest to google some benchmarks and compare them.

    IMHO a selfbuild system with standard parts is always preferable, as you can upgrade/replace individual parts much easier. So I would never buy these Qotom boxes and as such don't have any experience on how they perform.



  • Most people like to see if they can make their pfsense be about the same form factor as your average consumer router and run forever on 5w or so.

    I'm with Grimson.

    I like being able to easily pull and replace components and I don't like to wrestle with space, so I use cases that will fit just about any hardware.

    I'm not too concerned with space or power requirements.  Just reliability.

    Everyone is different.  Depends on your wants and needs.

    If you are like me, you can build a very nice and reliable pfsense using parts that people might pay you to cart away for them.

    Note - Bandwidth, throughput expectations and pps are a concern.  Extremely fast connections and some packages may require faster / newer hardware.



  • Unless you plan to tweak and toy with your router, this build is rather pointless. There a a lot more points where things can go wrong, yet it's not cheaper or better than a Qotom or MiniSys.

    Before you build something, check this:

    • What do you actually need? (PPS/bandwidth)
    • What are your power requirements?
    • What are your environmental requirements (space used, heat, wall mounting etc)
    • What is the expected life

    If you need something small, ready-to-go, cheap, low-power, and well known, you're not going to get there building something yourself.

    On the other hand, if you need cheap copper multi port gigabit ethernet, and need SFP fiber in 2 years, and need heavy crypto in 3 years and need a lot of audit logging later on, and the budget isn't there to do all of it at once, then you pretty much have to build something custom and no ready-made box will suit your needs.

    Also, I'd suggest going with a Celeron of Pentium series rather than AMD, not because AMD can't work, but because most custom builds use Intel, making the knowledge base on Intel-Based builds bigger than other builds. Since you are here on this forum, I suppose if you run into issues, you'll also turn up here to discuss them. If you run something other people are also running, you'll have more information and experience to draw from.



  • That means from all your inputs my custom build is a no go right?
    I want to use it for openvpn, adblock and squid at this moment for home use.  I have 50/10 vdsl connection.

    I want to ask here a budget build for my needs.  Is there a one?



  • @plikmuny:

    That means from all your inputs my custom build is a no go right?
    I want to use it for openvpn, adblock and squid at this moment for home use.  I have 50/10 vdsl connection.

    I want to ask here a budget build for my needs.  Is there a one?

    It depends on your budget. With that 50/10 VDSL connection you probably can do with anything faster than the first generation i3 CPU. Maybe buying a used desktop PC with a basic 2012-type hardware setup is the cheapest option. Many people use older HP and Lenovo systems this way, and it works fine. 50/10 really isn't hard to do for any modern CPU, even with snort and VPN. Hell, it'll probably be able to saturate that without AES-NI (but you won't be able to use pfSense once 2.5 comes out, so get AES-NI!).



  • You can do it for $50 probably.  No more than $100.
    Your SSD will be the most expensive thing you "need", and honestly…  You probably don't "Need" an SSD.

    AES-NI capable CPUs from 2012 and forward can handle this and can be found very cheap.  Almost free.

    Just get a couple of good and cheap intel network cards.  I can easily saturate a 60/60 connection with a AMD x4200 dual core processor.  And thats really old junk.

    Or you could buy the netgate $150 machine.  That also works.



  • Anything sold in the pfsense store, starting with the SG-1000, can probably handle your needs.  Its not expensive.

    However, you would also have a very hard time finding a used desktop machine made after 2012 that couldn't handle this.



  • If I change CPU to Intel g4400t, will it make a good setup?
    Is i5 4200u better than g4400t or a custom build with g4400t or g4400 better than qotom q350g4
    I want to run vpn, ad blocker and squid on a 50/10 vdsl connection.

    Guide me



  • The i5 4200u  is better.



  • Hi, I am sure you definitely have a qotom device.
    How can a 22nm cpu be better than a 14nm cpu?
    Interesting for me if it's true.
    Is there a heating problem with qotom i5 4200u device to run pfsense with vpn, adblock and squid apps?



  • @johnkeates:

    The i5 4200u  is better.

    The G4400T is better in just about every way for this application. The only reason to consider the i5-4200U is if you have a cooling budget that permits a 15W TDP chip and not a 35W TDP chip. (Or if you get one significantly cheaper than the other.)



  • Just wondering and I’m sure someone will chime in….but would the Asrock J3355B work based on the needs? It can handle OpenVPN speeds 200mbps+ has AES-NI and the motherboard and cpu can be had for less than $60.



  • @wayne622:

    Just wondering and I’m sure someone will chime in….but would the Asrock J3355B work based on the needs? It can handle OpenVPN speeds 200mbps+ has AES-NI and the motherboard and cpu can be had for less than $60.

    If we're playing "favorite solution" I'd spec an APU2 for this and be done with it. :)



  • APU2 runs hotter than g4400t i guess.
    and you can have the two builds for the same Price. then why not a better one ?



  • @wayne622:

    Just wondering and I’m sure someone will chime in….but would the Asrock J3355B work based on the needs? It can handle OpenVPN speeds 200mbps+ has AES-NI and the motherboard and cpu can be had for less than $60.

    Does this MoBo has a g4400t CPU built in or am i understanding it wrong ?
    can you clear my doubt pls ? did you mean Asrock J3355B as MoBo only or with CPU ?
    Edit: sorry did a small Research on Google. i found out the Answer. Dont bother to reply.



  • @plikmuny:

    APU2 runs hotter than g4400t i guess.

    So what?

    and you can have the two builds for the same Price. then why not a better one ?

    Well, if you can get them for the same price then go ahead and get the g4400t. Around here the APU2 would be significantly cheaper.



  • @VAMike:

    So what?

    I am talking about the longetivity of the parts used here. If ist too hot, it may malfunction and ist life will definitely reduce.

    Well, if you can get them for the same price then go ahead and get the g4400t. Around here the APU2 would be significantly cheaper.

    I dont know where here means, but in Germany i can get g4400t for 63€ and APU2C4 for 172€. I definitely see a Benifit there in using g4400t. i am not recommending you to use it so that you answer me like so what. i am just pointing out the pros and cons here. i think thats why we are here in a Forum to discuss and suggest.
    Anyway thanks for your Time in replying to my message.



  • @plikmuny:

    @VAMike:

    So what?

    I am talking about the longetivity of the parts used here. If ist too hot, it may malfunction and ist life will definitely reduce.

    There's a design temperature and the APU2 doesn't exceed it. I'm constantly amazed by how much effort people waste trying to make computers cooler for no reason at all.

    Well, if you can get them for the same price then go ahead and get the g4400t. Around here the APU2 would be significantly cheaper.

    I dont know where here means, but in Germany i can get g4400t for 63€ and APU2C4 for 172€. I definitely see a Benifit there in using g4400t. i am not recommending you to use it so that you answer me like so what. i am just pointing out the pros and cons here. i think thats why we are here in a Forum to discuss and suggest.
    Anyway thanks for your Time in replying to my message.

    If you can get an entire g4400t system for 63, go for it. I'd expect to pay that much for the CPU and still have to buy motherboard, case, and memory. In this area the APU2 will be less than $150 all in, and there's nothing else that you can buy new for that much. The next cheapest option (and the step up for higher VPN requirements) is a J3355B, which is closer to $200 complete (and requires trolling ebay for some sketchy dual port nic).



  • My experience with design temperatures….

    CPUs with design temperatures of 100c start throttling at 70c.

    People can say they do not, but I've never had a chip with a t-junction of 100c make it beyond 80c before my computer turned into a snail.



  • @kejianshi:

    My experience with design temperatures….

    CPUs with design temperatures of 100c start throttling at 70c.

    People can say they do not, but I've never had a chip with a t-junction of 100c make it beyond 80c before my computer turned into a snail.

    well, since I haven't seen an APU2 get that hot I'm not sure it's relevant. they tend to run hotter than a regular desktop at idle, but they don't get all that much hotter under load. (assuming the heatsink isn't installed wrong.)