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[SOLVED] How to use VIP's for OpenVPN

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    Glacier
    last edited by Glacier Oct 30, 2018, 11:05 AM Oct 30, 2018, 11:04 AM

    @jknott said in How to use VIP's for OpenVPN:

    Why do you need to use a VIP? A VPN is an interface that would get it's own IP address.

    We have a department in china and the chineese ISP's regularly block ip's with VPN traffic. So we need to cycle the ip addresses otherwise our employees can't connect to the HQ via openvpn.

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      Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
      last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:02 PM

      Did you know you can hide OpenVPN behind some HTTPS Webserver? This is limited to TCP OpenVPN tho.
      https://www.netgate.com/docs/pfsense/vpn/openvpn/sharing-a-port-between-openvpn-and-a-web-server.html

      -Rico

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
        last edited by johnpoz Oct 30, 2018, 1:18 PM Oct 30, 2018, 1:15 PM

        @Rico that is not really hiding the vpn traffic.. That is just allowing inbound traffic to say 443 tcp to work for both vpn and webserver..

        Hiding the vpn traffic would be like putting the vpn traffic inside a stunnel.

        I have not done any research into the subject - but the use of tls-crypt that became available with openvpn 2.4 might also make it a "bit" harder for identification that its vpn traffic.. Maybe...

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          Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
          last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:19 PM

          ...in combination with tls-crypt ?

          -Rico

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            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
            last edited by johnpoz Oct 30, 2018, 1:22 PM Oct 30, 2018, 1:20 PM

            tls-crypt is set when you set tls to both encryption and auth.0_1540905729309_tlscrypt.png

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              Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
              last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:22 PM

              Yes I know, my posting was before I saw you edited yours.

              -Rico

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:22 PM

                ah... makes more sense now ;)

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                  JKnott @Glacier
                  last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:24 PM

                  @glacier said in How to use VIP's for OpenVPN:

                  We have a department in china and the chineese ISP's regularly block ip's with VPN traffic. So we need to cycle the ip addresses otherwise our employees can't connect to the HQ via openvpn.

                  Do they block by IP or protocol? It seems to me protocol would be more likely.

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                    Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                    last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:37 PM

                    They are blocking/ban by null routing IPs as well. ☠

                    -Rico

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                      Glacier
                      last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 1:47 PM

                      @rico said in How to use VIP's for OpenVPN:

                      They are blocking/ban by null routing IPs as well.

                      Exactly. We migth be able to hide it better, however eventually the ip will get blocked, which is why we would like to use VIP's to cycle through the bans.

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                        Rico LAYER 8 Rebel Alliance
                        last edited by Rico Oct 30, 2018, 2:10 PM Oct 30, 2018, 2:08 PM

                        Well you don't have unlimited VIPs to cycle them over and over again right? So in the long run it would be better to hide the VPN traffic. I think with the 443 Port Share trick and tls-crypt it could work to get around this.
                        Anyway, I will try to answer your question. :-) Bind your OpenVPN to localhost, then use a Port Forward with your VIP to localhost.

                        -Rico

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                          Pippin
                          last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 2:13 PM

                          Port share won't hide the traffic and tls-crypt maybe for a while, eventually they will find out how to identify it.
                          stunnel is what I would do...

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator
                            last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 2:33 PM

                            I don't see how the share thing would hide anything - other than if you have normal https traffic going to that dest IP from the IP in china.. That might confuse them seeing normal web and vpn going to the same IP? All depends on how exactly they identify it as vpn traffic.

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                              Glacier
                              last edited by Oct 30, 2018, 2:39 PM

                              Thanks alot for all of the answers.
                              I'll try out the portforwarding thing, aswell as tls-crypt and stunnel.

                              @rico said in How to use VIP's for OpenVPN:

                              Well you don't have unlimited VIPs to cycle them over and over again right?

                              No, but in the past the banned ip's have been unbanned after a month or so.

                              Best Regards
                              Esben

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