Pfsense high cpu usage KVM (Unraid)
Hi, i am trying to figure out a nice set-up for all my virtual servers.
Right now i have put all my VM's in a virtual network (vibr0) and added the pfsense to it as a firewall for all the VM's.
The issue i am having right now is that the cpu usage is insane high when doing transfers/ speedtests over the firewall or even in the firewall terminal itself.
Altough sometimes the speed i am supposed to get (250mbit/s download) is nearly reached, it comes with 100% cpu usage.
I have done a check were i use speedtest-cli in the command line of the pfsense, and check in another window the cpu usage with top -S -H. This shows the following:
The speed that i got with this test is 150mbit/s download.
And according to unraid the cpu usage on the cores was around80% all used by pfsense VM.
Switching virtual nic (i started with a virtual intel nic, but have the same results with a vmware network card (vmnetx3)).
Shutting down all other vm's during the testing -> got me better results but still high cpu usage.
Does anyone have any clue what might cause this or how to fix?
fyi: i only have one physical nic in my server, which is bridged to my pfsense vm for the network connection. All the other VM's and the pfsense have a connection to vibr0, where IP's are set static.
If anyone knows how to fix my issue or can help me i would really appriciate it.
What CPU actually is it? What speed is it running at?
If it was an older CPU stuck at, say, 800MHz you might see that sort of usage.
@stephenw10 I am running on an (old-school) FX-8350. Stock speeds, water cooled running at 4ghz max (nearly always at maximum). I pass it trough 2 out of 8 cores, so i was thinking like 2*4000MHz would be enough.
Hmm, yeah if that's what it's really getting it should be far more than what is needed for 250Mbps.
What is the output of
@stephenw10 Heres the output:
Default clock of an fx 8350 is 3.6Ghz. Just know that this is a Virtual Machine. Unraid config over here:
During a speedtest on the pfsense (speedtest-cli with 150mbit download) the clock rates are this on unraid (8 core cpu so 8 speeds):
Also a little addon on how it looks in the pfsense WebGui when the firewall is at idle and when doing a speedtest:
During a speedtest top -S -H:
From what i have found so far i think this has to do because i am using virtual nic and not a physical nic. Can someone confirm this?
It should not just of itself. There are many people running virtualised and not seeing that, including in KVM.
Something about Unraids setup perhaps? I've never run that personally.
indeed , i'm using kvm on my ubuntu server and i don't have this. idk what unraid is so i can't be of any help
Maybe i should just try to reïnstall it. Shouldn't be that hard to do. Ill post more after some more testing.
A reïnstall made no change, the cpu usage went up on 1 of the cores. during this test i even gave it 8 Cpu core's (4.0ghz) and 4GB of RAM. Download speed was 150mbit. So i have no clue what the option is other than the virtual nic or something...
Sadly i dont have any other nics available to test with. Any suggestions on a step i might try out?
With vmx NICs you will need to add the following line to /boot/loader.conf.local to get multiple queue support:
Reboot to apply that. Check the output of
vmstat -ito be sure it's creating multiple queues.
Be sure all hardware offloading support is disabled in Sys > Adv > Networking.
Hi, Thanks for your reply,
I tried to find the /boot/loader.conf.local file but could only find a /boot/loader.conf
I tried adding it into there ( hw.pci.honor_msi_blacklist=0 ) but still no change.
It has done something because it moved up in the file.
During speedtest i get these results with vmstat -i:
And when using the top -S -H command still get the same results.
Any other suggestions?
you need to create the file
if it's missing
save and reboot
Yup create the file if it doesn't exist. If you put it in loader.conf it may get overwritten.
However that will only do anything for vmx NICs. You have em NICs there currently.
@stephenw10 Allright, will set them to VMXNET3, reboot, create the file with the line and inform if there are any changes.
Creating config file:
Okay so further testing will come in later but for now i seem to reach my maximum provider speed on my linux server behind the firewall:
BUT it did drop back down to 14.4Megabyte's per second and go up and down all the time:
Cpu usage seems to have set a bit:
Using SMB protocol i get this from moving a file WAN to LAN:
It's 2 virtual cores are running at nearly full power (cpu 6/7) (cpu 4 is being used on the server side in the LAN network.):
I don't know if this is just a performance bug but speeds seem to have increased, altough cpu usage is still high (compared to the hardware specifications of pfsense)
Changing to a quad core (virtual processor) did not change much either, cpu usage stays high on 2 cores:
Wish i could put my finger on the issue.
I still only see one tx queue and one rx queue on each NIC. Does
vmstat -ishow more?
I assume you created that file in /boot
yep its placed under /boot/loader.conf.local
vmstat -i during speedtest on server in lan side:
I actually don't know how to read the vmstat -i, but i hope you might know more @stephenw10
vmx0: tq0 (transmission queue 0)
vmx0: rq0 (receive queue 0)
with multiple queue you should see tq0 / tq1 etc etc
Yeah, that. Though I don't have anything vmx to test again right now.
I think it probably is working as you are seeing the high numbered IRQs which MSI uses.
Try removing that line or commenting it out and rebooting. Do you see any change?
On other NICs you might see something like:
[2.4.4-RELEASE][firstname.lastname@example.org]/root: vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq7: uart0 432 0 irq16: sdhci_pci0 536 0 cpu0:timer 68688188 1001 cpu3:timer 1069435 16 cpu2:timer 1060293 15 cpu1:timer 1086989 16 irq264: igb0:que 0 68630 1 irq265: igb0:que 1 68630 1 irq266: igb0:que 2 68630 1 irq267: igb0:que 3 68630 1 irq268: igb0:link 3 0 irq269: igb1:que 0 68630 1 irq270: igb1:que 1 68630 1 irq271: igb1:que 2 68630 1 irq272: igb1:que 3 68630 1 irq273: igb1:link 1 0 irq274: ahci0:ch0 4473 0 irq290: xhci0 85 0 irq291: ix0:q0 216643 3 irq292: ix0:q1 47933 1 irq293: ix0:q2 325480 5 irq294: ix0:q3 514752 7 irq295: ix0:link 2 0 irq301: ix2:q0 74629 1 irq302: ix2:q1 507 0 irq303: ix2:q2 1703 0 irq304: ix2:q3 89446 1 irq305: ix2:link 1 0 irq306: ix3:q0 70295 1 irq307: ix3:q1 4985 0 irq308: ix3:q2 186433 3 irq309: ix3:q3 413486 6 irq310: ix3:link 1 0 Total 74405771 1084
try to add this on your loader.conf.local
I added the rule with
I did not see any change whatsoever in vmstat -i:
and commenting out the first rule also did not change anything:
Even when doing a download on a server in LAN and using top -S -H i have this outcome:
You are seeing load on all CPUs there and none is at 100% so it's not CPU limited at that point.
@stephenw10 i have increased it before to 4 cores running at 4ghz. Right now i dont know what to do at all:( i really like the easy way of working with pfsense but i dont know what further investigation i can do because the cpu usage is skyrocket high with 250mbit/s
Yes, there is something significantly wrong with your virtualisation setup there. You can pass 250Mbps with a something ancient and slow like a 1st gen APU at 1GHz.
@stephenw10 Poor me then, i will see if i will try some other things with this setup
to me the problem should be investigated on the vm side more than from inside pfsense. i see on google that people tend to bridge the interface instead off using the passthrough for unraid.
personally, for example, i was never able to make pfSense work reliable under virtualbox and i had to change the vm to qemu/kvm
Here a little update: i changed from pfsense to the OPNsense. Kind off the same thing but OPNsense seemed to handle the troughput way better with way lower usage. Right now i am able to run power safe mode (all 8 cores on 1.4Ghz) where 4 cores are for the firewall and get 250mbit without a problem. I am now using this firewall for all the network traffic in my house. So far no issues.
same thing here, i'm using intel cpu and yet very high cpu usage.
I have a 4 port NIC, and I passthrough 2 ports to pfSense, 1 port for WAN, and 1 port for LAN.
I saw a comment on reddit says:
it sounds like you've got your WAN to one port of your Intel NIC and the LAN to the other port of your Intel NIC... I don't think that's it's intended use. Each physical NIC should be for one purpose, LAN or WAN but not both. Maybe I'm wrong on that but I've always seen Dual or Quad NICs used as all LAN ports. (reddit)
I'm wondering if this really a bad thing? I have other openwrt installed before and never have this issue, or maybe you guys have a workaround to fix this?
No that doesn't make any difference. pfSense just sees those as individual NICs.
ok, I found out my network card is using the igb driver, there are some threads point out that sometimes igb cards need some tweaking. so this is not quite a unraid's fault.
@BjornStevens yes, I followed his tutorial to passthrough the nics to pfsense.
And I tried using just 1 port for wan and lan with no performance issue, but I don't quite like this setup, will try tweak the igb settings after work.
Nope, I tried every possible tweak that I can found and with no luck what so ever.
I found a weird thing: the intr process of igb0 and igb1 is ehci and uhci? as far as I know, these are usb thing not a pcie thing?
They are sharing the irq with those USB controllers, which is unusual but probably not an issue.
They don't appear to be using MSI/X, did you disable that? They would normally be on their own, much higher, IRQs.
@stephenw10 Yes I disabled MSI/X, like I said, I tried every possible combination of fine tuning and the problem still there. I even bought an other card, and more problem pops up. I think it's time for me to give up trying pfSense, :(
You shouldn't need any tweaks to igb really, I would removed all that and recheck.
Just how high a CPU usage are you seeing? Under what traffic conditions?
@stephenw10 I have a i5 9500T, it's base clock is 2200MHz, and I just gave 1 single core to it.
Network wise, I have a 4 port intel 85276 nic, and simply passthrough 2 ports to it, 1 for wan and 1 for lan, without any "tweaks", wan-to-lan cpu usage is 90% at about 100Mbps.
My most successful result is only 1 port for wan and lan, that way 100Mbps traffic don't even take any cpu usage. But I don't like this topology.
I ordered a i350-T4 after 2 days, and I found the pfSense hardly pick them up, either show no port or just a single one.
I even tried OPNSense, and no nic were found either.
Looks like something just don't play along with FreeBSD.
It took me a lot of sleep time to try pfSense, but sadly non of them worked..