unable to access ips on vlan after changing Gateway/dns

comet424 · Jan 20, 2023, 8:02 PM

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comet424 · Jan 20, 2023, 11:32 PM

@johnpoz

question since you love tech alot you may know... i curious are there any routers that can do 2 vlans and lan say

so id like to have my LAN and IoT Devices use Wifi.. but i dont wanna buy like 2 routers.. one for LAN to do devices like cell phone or my laptops.. and then second one for for Iot that i block internet and lan...

reason is i looking to get like 3 mesh routers in my house and shop outside of the house so this way it cover things

but if i have 3 for IoT and id need 3 for my Lan devices..
so id need 6

but my question is there any say router that can take in 2 Lan ports from the router one dishes out Iot Vlan section and 1 for the Lan . like a smart switchs do.. or not possible and basiclly you need 6

was just thinking as on my routes.. or is there powerful routers that can cover like 3 mesh router ranges... figured id ask since u love tech and maybe youd know

cuz what id like is

LAN IOT and Guest Network off 1 wifi router.. if possible but dunno if it can be done

Jarhead · Jan 21, 2023, 1:59 AM

@comet424 You won't need another router, just a switch (or more) that can handle the amount of devices you have.
I had, upgraded the machine with more physical interfaces, 5 vlans on my pfSense. Some people have double that.
As long as you have a vlan capable switch, you're good.

johnpoz · Jan 21, 2023, 1:59 AM

@jarhead ^ exactly all that is needed is at least 1 interface on pfsense and vlan capable switch and you can create as many vlans as you want.

If you want to do multiple vlans on wifi networks - best to get a AP that is capable off that, some wifi routers you can run 3rd party firmware on and do it. dd-wrt or openwrt supports vlans as long as the hardware of the wifi router does. Or just buy AP that support - unifi APs are pretty popular around here. I have 3 of them - they work great.

comet424 · Jan 22, 2023, 7:22 PM

@johnpoz ah ok so a unifi router can support like multiple vlans

like the mitok switch i have does support vlans... and now i wanna have a wifi for lan devices like cell phones or my laptops that arent hard wired... and another wifi for the IoT devices the way i been doing it is where i use the 192.168.0.1-254 range ad segmented a section to do iot and lan and dmz say..

so would you then then Trunk from the smart switch to the AP Unifi router ap and then it knows which devices... like do you setup a seperate Wifi login password for each vlan?

and which unifi ap is good one.. i have heard of them i dunnohow to use them as i did watch a video years ago they hard to use etc...

comet424 · Jan 22, 2023, 8:16 PM

and whats better then unifi or the ddwrt and if you look on amazon .ca can u tell me which router or AP ud recommend that would work as i havent kept up in routers for years if it last me 10 yrs i ok with them so i dont upgrade often anymore

johnpoz · Jan 22, 2023, 8:32 PM

@comet424 said in unable to access ips on vlan after changing Gateway/dns:

ike do you setup a seperate Wifi login password for each vlan?

Yeah you normally setup different ssids for the different vlans - but you could get fancy and do dynamic vlans after an auth to say radius..

comet424 · Jan 22, 2023, 11:29 PM

@johnpoz ah ok cool so your not limied to just 1 like on the asus or dlink or tplink ones i have

i did try looking up the unif but didnt see where you can do multiple vlans
do all the unif allow this? and whats better dwrt or unif?

johnpoz · Feb 10, 2023, 2:41 PM

@comet424 said in unable to access ips on vlan after changing Gateway/dns:

i did try looking up the unif but didnt see where you can do multiple vlans

Did you look at the summary page for say the U6-lite, one of their popular models currently

https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-wireless/products/u6-lite-us

BSSID 8 per radio
VLAN 802.1Q

I am not aware of any of their models that don't support vlans.. I have 3 different models of their older wifi 5 models, the pro, the lite and the LR.. And before that I had one of their first models that all supported multiple vlans. I currently have 4 different SSIDs running on mine, all on different vlans.

As to what is better dd-wrt, I would say the unifi are true APs.. the dd-wrt is 3rd party firmware to run on soho wifi routers. While it can vastly improve the feature set over native firmware. Your still at the mercy of the hardware, not saying some soho hardware is not fine. But unifi AP are designed to be actual AP.. they are all powered by poe, so you can proper mount them where a AP belongs, etc.. I would never ever go back to running soho wifi routers as my wifi APs..

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 2:41 PM

@johnpoz
hi john i finally got a AP i picked up a tplink ep650 model i got it from a re-store habitat for humanity store for like 40 bucks... so i didnt go the unifi route yet.. only cuz i found it there.. i got it to work in pfsense i set up 3 wifis but i having a trouble i dunno if its a firewall rule or not .. i can not get my home assistant to detect things like my cameras or wifi

so how i have it set up is

in my attic
i have pfsense routher ----> managed switch ----> poe switch (Vlan10) for 5 Poe Cameras
and that works

now from the
managed switched (mikotek)----> my linksys/cisco managed switch in another room...

cisco/switch i set up 2 Vlans
Vlan 10 - For Cameras
Vlan 20 - For IoT devices
i set up the tagged, trunk port from managed switch to linksys/cisco managed
and then i ran 2 cables into my unraid box where it hosts Home Assistant

and i set that all up

so Home assitant gets 3 ips
192.168.0.x for regular setup
192.168.10.x for the Cameras
192.168.20.x for the IoT

now i figured when all that was setup Home Assistant would see it all but it doesnt.. is there a fire wall rule or something or it cant be done... and you need to run a wire to like the camera switch and some how to the IoT

and for testing purposes i added fire wall rules on Camera Lan and Iot at the top that by passes the vpn on lan that they all **** stars so it opens up fully and home assistant still cant see the Iots Automaticllty or Cameras.. but it can if i manually add things by Ip address

what i doing wrong?

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 3:59 PM

forgot to add

managed switch(in attic) to to the Tplink For Wifi Vlan20 that part works

Jarhead · Feb 10, 2023, 4:10 PM

@comet424 Why are you giving HA 3 IP's?
You have vlans setup, use them. Put HA on the IoT vlan only. Then set rules to access anything it needs to on the other vlans.

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 4:22 PM

@jarhead

well orginally i had 1

192.168.0.x as Home Assistant runs as a VM under unraid....... and access my network

and i had swapped out this 4 port card from my pfsense as i ehard from others instead of vlans they used individual ports for HA

so then i set up Vlan Cameras and Vlan IoT

and i have rules set to be open but still nothing so if i change to 1 port for HA on IoT then Ha going to see all the ips on Iot Cameras and lan then automaticlly?

cuz i figured it should have detected so far but doesnt

so for now i by pass my rules and just opened it up

Jarhead · Feb 10, 2023, 5:28 PM

@comet424 You're only allowing TCP, change it to any,

and i have rules set to be open but still nothing

What does that mean? What have you been trying to do? If just pinging, then that wouldn't work since you've been blocking ping.

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 8:53 PM

@jarhead open it up as means
Source *
Port *
Destination *
Port *
Gateway *

means it has no restrictions above any of my other rules like port 123
is what i meant to say.. sorry my disylexia gets best of me...

so you can see Lan Camera Iot Devices have 0 restrictions now.. and still HA cant detect anything on the IoT or Cameras

also forgot i have a 3rd Location as the Attic is my Shop on my property..

but ya still unable to get HA to see the IoT Devices and Cameras just anything on LAN is the only thing it can detect

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 9:02 PM

like is there other rules i need to get the HA to see it.. how come it can see things on LAN but not Camera or IoT Devices.. do i need to add something under NAT?

oh i tried PING in terminal of HA

i can ping 192.168.0.1

but i cant ping
192.168.10.1
192.168.20.1

so i must still need something else right?

Jarhead · Feb 10, 2023, 9:17 PM

@comet424 Again, you're only allowing TCP, pings are, and are supposed to be, blocked by your rules.
Change the protocol to IPv4*

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 9:21 PM

@jarhead oh ok my bad as with my dislexia i read it as just ip4 i had set..

ill try that and see if it detects.. thanks for help so far i appreciate it

comet424 · Feb 10, 2023, 9:36 PM

so i can ping now
192.168.10.1 and 192.168.20.1

but i cant ping hostnames under the arp table..

so i have a camera called "cam1" like 192.168.10.21 i can ping the ip not the name

and HA still cant detect iot devices or cameras.. just whats on LAN network.. i made sure to change the TCP to *

stephenw10 · Feb 12, 2023, 1:35 AM

Where are you testing from? What DNS server is that using to resolve those hosts?