10GB Fiber network, yes/no?
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@bmeeks said in 10GB Fiber network, yes/no?:
4 megabit Token Ring (I think I'm remembering the data rate correctly)
Yep, then it was 16 Mb.
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@JKnott said in 10GB Fiber network, yes/no?:
BTW, my first Internet connection was via dial up modem, with 56K down and 33.6K up.
Yea, I almost forgot about those higher dial-up speeds. Had some 33K and 56K modems for a bit before I moved to the 128K ISDN dial-up. My work location had T1 and then DS3 links in the early days.
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I won't go so far out on the limb to say "you never need 10 Gig at home". But for today and the near future 1 Gig service is probably plenty for home use. My 1 Gig service really is not noticeable at all compared to my former 100 megabit service with day-to-day web browsing, email, or even streaming. Once you get to about 24-50 megabits down, and a reasonable upstream bandwidth, streaming will work fine.
The biggest benefit of the symmetrical Gigabit service I've personally seen for my purposes is downloading large files is really fast (like ISO images or videos, for example). But the even bigger plus is the high speed upload path lets me finally take advantage of personal cloud storage for an "offsite disaster recovery" scenario for stuff like personal photos and documents. I can send data to the cloud nearly as fast as I can send it over to a local file server on the LAN. That is a sort of "game changer" for backups.
I'm sure the time will come, though, where 10 Gig will be the new "standard". AI and virtual reality is going to continue to progress, and that will demand more and more bandwidth (especially virtual reality and its derivations).
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I got the opportunity to upgrade my connection to 10G through my service provider, where I happen to know the CEO and owner... Although I am not really paying anything for it, it still cost quite a bit of money, and work, to make the upgrade anyway...
First and foremost I had to upgrade my ports on my pfsense machine, as well as some servers running on the same (all VM). Similarly I upgraded my TrueNAS server and at least one 10G switch was needed for this (to run DACs in the rack). One the cheaper one's I could find was an 8 port SFP+ only switch (TP-Link Omada). But it turns out that 10G RJ45 SFP-transcievers have some limitations in the length of cables they support (25-30 meters), at least when looking the reasonably priced one's. So I ended up adding another switch with RJ45 ports that can handle longer cables. And finally I upgraded my PC with a 10G NIC...
To summarize, the material "needed" for this upgrade came to:
3x Intel X520-T2 cards
1x 8 Port SFP+ managed switch
1x 4 + 2 port (RJ45 & SFP+) managed switch
1x 10G NIC for my PC
And quite a few hours to get things working as I wanted, not the least because of issues with cable lengths.The 4 port switch supports 2.5G as well and it turns out that my Proxmox servers had 2.5G on the motherboard NIC's which was sort of a bonus.
Is it worth it... well, I am not paying anything more for the connection, and it was a great learning experience and a quite fun project. Also, the upgrade on the LAN side is actually quite good as I am now able to max out my disks (incl cache) on the NAS, rather than the network.
An internet connection with 10G is definitely overkill as most have stated already, and for the most part there is no difference whatsoever. EXCEPT for when there are any one of all these huge upgrades to Call of Duty...!! Luckily the CDN's used by Blizzard and Steam seem to be extremely capable and I get 60-70 GB upgrades in minutes where my friends wait for an hour or two... :)
As far as home broadband goes, I think 2.5G is a better option probably. Most or all new computers/motherboards support it. 2,5G switches are not horrendously expensive, and cabling isn't as sensitive as for 10G...
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@Gblenn said in 10GB Fiber network, yes/no?:
I got the opportunity to upgrade my connection to 10G through my service provider, where I happen to know the CEO and owner... Although I am not really paying anything for it, it still cost quite a bit of money, and work, to make the upgrade anyway...
First and foremost I had to upgrade my ports on my pfsense machine, as well as some servers running on the same (all VM). Similarly I upgraded my TrueNAS server and at least one 10G switch was needed for this (to run DACs in the rack). One the cheaper one's I could find was an 8 port SFP+ only switch (TP-Link Omada). But it turns out that 10G RJ45 SFP-transcievers have some limitations in the length of cables they support (25-30 meters), at least when looking the reasonably priced one's. So I ended up adding another switch with RJ45 ports that can handle longer cables. And finally I upgraded my PC with a 10G NIC...
To summarize, the material "needed" for this upgrade came to:
3x Intel X520-T2 cards
1x 8 Port SFP+ managed switch
1x 4 + 2 port (RJ45 & SFP+) managed switch
1x 10G NIC for my PC
And quite a few hours to get things working as I wanted, not the least because of issues with cable lengths.The 4 port switch supports 2.5G as well and it turns out that my Proxmox servers had 2.5G on the motherboard NIC's which was sort of a bonus.
Is it worth it... well, I am not paying anything more for the connection, and it was a great learning experience and a quite fun project. Also, the upgrade on the LAN side is actually quite good as I am now able to max out my disks (incl cache) on the NAS, rather than the network.
An internet connection with 10G is definitely overkill as most have stated already, and for the most part there is no difference whatsoever. EXCEPT for when there are any one of all these huge upgrades to Call of Duty...!! Luckily the CDN's used by Blizzard and Steam seem to be extremely capable and I get 60-70 GB upgrades in minutes where my friends wait for an hour or two... :)
As far as home broadband goes, I think 2.5G is a better option probably. Most or all new computers/motherboards support it. 2,5G switches are not horrendously expensive, and cabling isn't as sensitive as for 10G...
Good summary thx
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@chudak I got the X520 cards as refurb server cards which cost me somewhere around $80-85 each. I use all Omada switches and AP's and therefore ended up with the TL-SX3008F and TL-SX3206HPP. These are 260-550 USD roughly.
The ISP sent me two RJ45 10G modules free of charge and the SFP+ DAC's I use are Unifi or some Chinese brand version (12-15 USD each). And then it was the TP-Link tx401 NIC for the PC at around 80 USD.
So all in all I ended up spending about 1200 USD I believe... perhaps a bit more with all the DACs. Plus I had to modify the SX3008 by putting fans inside it as it was overheating when using the RJ45 modules... -
@Gblenn said in 10GB Fiber network, yes/no?:
@chudak I got the X520 cards as refurb server cards which cost me somewhere around $80-85 each. I use all Omada switches and AP's and therefore ended up with the TL-SX3008F and TL-SX3206HPP. These are 260-550 USD roughly.
The ISP sent me two RJ45 10G modules free of charge and the SFP+ DAC's I use are Unifi or some Chinese brand version (12-15 USD each). And then it was the TP-Link tx401 NIC for the PC at around 80 USD.
So all in all I ended up spending about 1200 USD I believe... perhaps a bit more with all the DACs. Plus I had to modify the SX3008 by putting fans inside it as it was overheating when using the RJ45 modules...Great thx
No ethernet cable upgrade? Are you using CAT5E?
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@chudak Out of curiosity what speed are you actually seeing on the 10G connection. If it's standard XGS-PON, that usually maxes out around 8.5Gbps data payload due to overheads in the PON system. If the ISP is using 25Gb PON, then they could theoretically deliver 10Gb data rates.
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@chudak No I cabled my house back in 2006 and used Cat6 as it were. But there are a few of them on the middle floor where I didn't have space in the "duct" coming up from the basement. So I ended up running them a different path all the way from the basement via the attic and then down again, which apparently exceeded the 30m limit of the RJ45 modules.
But when connecting the TP-Link tx401 to the TL-SX3206HPP it works even those longer cables... I suppose 5E will work fine in most cases as well, as long as you keep to reasonable lengths. -
@pwood999 said in 10GB Fiber network, yes/no?:
@chudak Out of curiosity what speed are you actually seeing on the 10G connection. If it's standard XGS-PON, that usually maxes out around 8.5Gbps data payload due to overheads in the PON system. If the ISP is using 25Gb PON, then they could theoretically deliver 10Gb data rates.
I don't have 10GB fibber yet :)
On 1GB I see ~700MBps on iPhone 13 Pro and full 1GB on wired connections
