Taming the beasts… aka suricata blueprint

ping www.geenstijl.nl

PING www.geenstijl.nl (162.159.255.153): 56 data bytes

(Look at the Original Download Files)
grep "162.159.255.153" /home/USER/orig/*

/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.81,15,127
/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.81,24,103
/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.219,27,55
/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.5,27,109

(Look at the final pf Folder files)
grep "^162.159.255." /home/USER/pf/*

/home/USER/pf/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.81
/home/USER/pf/e_tfakeav:162.159.255.81

(Look at the pfSense AliasTable Folder)
grep "^162.159.255." /usr/local/www/aliastables/*

/usr/local/www/aliastables/IR_PRI1:162.159.255.81

I am using the Emerging Threats IQRisk Blocklist, so that is the only list that I see that has any IPs in that Range.

I don't believe you are using that list, so not sure which list had that IP. And there is ony 4 IPs listed which is below the threshold of "5" and so it didn't block the whole range.

Atleast you can see that this range has some malicious activity (FakeAv)

IP 162.159.255.153 belongs to cloudflare. Since cloudflare is a CDN (Content Distribution Network) some other site might have used that IP to perform some nefarious act, therefore the IP got listed on one of the lists. Ideally cloudflare will deal with it and the IP will eventually be removed from the list. My only explanation as to why traffic to that IP is blocked.

BBcan177

F*** cloudflare… I have been blocking SPAM from their Network for two weeks now. Everyday its getting past all of the Blocklists, Snort, and my Mail Servers Mail Spam protection. FRESH Spam I guess. I send all of the mail that makes it past my Security Systems to SPAMCOP and hopefully they add it to the list of IPs to Ban.

Re-read my post, "ideally" is the key word ;)

Dealing with abuse (or spam) reports is an activity I don't look forward to. In particular my country's ISPs seem to think they invented the Internet, and all (without ANY exception) do NOT respond to abuse reports merely thinking out loud "Who the F**** are you to tell us our job!?!?!". Hell I've had to deal with a 15month DoS attack, until I had to scream at my upstream's "Head of Technical Department" (a complete and utter idiot, of the variety that no matter how many you seem to get rid of, a thousand more pop up for each one) to add the single IP to their ACL (a NON existent ACL until I forced them to implement it).

The attacker's upstream's response to my constant abuse reports was drum-roll…. they changed his IP. I got a brain aneurysm when they told me that. I thought my upstream's idiotic technical department was the lowest you could go, but apparently there are "innovators" all over the place.

Don't want to name and shame anyone, since there are "innovators" all over the place, even in the justice system, that would think those comments were "libelous" ;)

A small tip to ISPs. If I bother to write an official abuse report to you, citing logs, then that means I'm fed up with your client/system. Do something about it, or consider a career change and let us, that know how to do your job, do it.

Linda

Thanks Cino and jflsakfja, for clearing up why I should tick the Quick box.
If it were not for the risk of black hole and total collapse of the forum I might have suggested here to edit the original instructions in the #10 reply post accordingly ;) ;) ;D

Mr. Jingles

@BBcan177:

ping www.geenstijl.nl

PING www.geenstijl.nl (162.159.255.153): 56 data bytes

(Look at the Original Download Files)
grep "162.159.255.153" /home/USER/orig/*

/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.81,15,127
/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.81,24,103
/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.219,27,55
/home/USER/orig/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.5,27,109

(Look at the final pf Folder files)
grep "^162.159.255." /home/USER/pf/*

/home/USER/pf/ET_IPrep.txt:162.159.255.81
/home/USER/pf/e_tfakeav:162.159.255.81

(Look at the pfSense AliasTable Folder)
grep "^162.159.255." /usr/local/www/aliastables/*

/usr/local/www/aliastables/IR_PRI1:162.159.255.81

I am using the Emerging Threats IQRisk Blocklist, so that is the only list that I see that has any IPs in that Range.

I don't believe you are using that list, so not sure which list had that IP. And there is ony 4 IPs listed which is below the threshold of "5" and so it didn't block the whole range.

Atleast you can see that this range has some malicious activity (FakeAv)

Amazing to see what you can do @ the CLI, BB ;D

I wasn't clear enough, since I could hit geenstijl.nl, but not the movies they embed there. They are hosted on one of their other sites, dumpert.nl. And that one was blocked. The IP lookup turned out this was cloudflare. So I added a floating rule IR_PASS (which, magically, also appears in the dashboard widget :P ) that will use the IR_PASS alias to contain hosts that I might consider 'false positives'.

Just curious, btw, BB: why is cloudflare spamming you (or, better said: how?) I thought this was a reputable service? Obviously not, but I don't know why? I mean, large sites use cloudflare(?)

Mr. Jingles

Could I ask some of my most famous noob questions?

1. Does it make sense that if IR_PRI1 is blocking that Snort is also still blocking IP's based on Dshield (which is in IR_PRI1)?
2. While I will be moving over from Snort to Suricata after Bmeeks will have added new buttons for easy disabling rules, does it still make sense to buy the Snort VRT subscription for use in Suricata? Or won't these Snort rules work too well in Suricata?
3. How do you get rid of all these log lines about traffic being blocked:

–- 255.255.255.255:10001 UDP
--- 239.255.255.250:1900 UDP
--- 224.0.0.252:5355 UDP

They were gone for months, but suddenly the log is being flooded with them again. Ever since I started with pfSense these lines appear to bug me every so many months.

Thank you ;D

Mr. Jingles

@jflsakfja:

Yes, that's why I recommended setting up pairs for floating rules for the list's aliases.

A source rule says the source should be matched. Since it's "them" that send packets to "us" on our wan type interfaces, we should set up the wan side rules to perform their match against the source (list alias). These rules should be block (don't answer the door saying I will not talk to you).

A destination rule says the destination should be matched. Since it's "us" that send packets to "them" on our lan type interfaces, we should set up the lan side (or dmz, or any other internal interface) rules to match based on the destination. Matching against the source will never give a match, since the source is "us". These rules should be reject (answer the door to our internal client saying "You are not allowed to talk to that") so that browsing to a non-legitimate site doesn't take 2 minutes to time out.

Thank you Sir ;D

Whilst in the traffic jam I was thinking: what actually is the goal of floating rules as opposed to rules on Interface Groups? Both do the same as far as I can tell: they both work over different interfaces, they both come before the individual rules per interface. I am sort of wondering when you should use what ???

BBcan177

@Hollander:

1. Does it make sense that if IR_PRI1 is blocking that Snort is also still blocking IP's based on Dshield (which is in IR_PRI1)?
2. While I will be moving over from Snort to Suricata after Bmeeks will have added new buttons for easy disabling rules, does it still make sense to buy the Snort VRT subscription for use in Suricata? Or won't these Snort rules work too well in Suricata?
3. How do you get rid of all these log lines about traffic being blocked:

1. Good idea on putting the Pass list into the IR_ category! Snort/Suricata processses a 'copy' of all the packets. So even if it was blocked by the Firewall, Snort/Suricata will still see it. Keep an eye on the Snort/Suricata alerts, and click on the "!" to see if the IP is listed or has the range blocked. I have noticed that over 90% of what Snort/Suricata Blocks is already being blocked by the Firewall Blocklists.

Hopefully when pfSense moves to 2.2 and they add NetMap api, it will allow a true-inline process for Snort/Suricata.

2. Suricata will load the Snort VRT ruleset except for about 600 rules. You can see that in the Suricata logs (which ones failed due to regex issues) I would still use the ruleset in Suricata.
(on another note, I still plan on staying with Snort for the time being)

3. I get them occasionally. Maybe Bill has some suggestions.

BBcan177

@Hollander:

I wasn't clear enough, since I could hit geenstijl.nl, but not the movies they embed there. They are hosted on one of their other sites, dumpert.nl. And that one was blocked. The IP lookup turned out this was cloudflare. So I added a floating rule IR_PASS (which, magically, also appears in the dashboard widget :P ) that will use the IR_PASS alias to contain hosts that I might consider 'false positives'.

Just curious, btw, BB: why is cloudflare spamming you (or, better said: how?) I thought this was a reputable service? Obviously not, but I don't know why? I mean, large sites use cloudflare(?)

Here is what I show being blocked by that IP (IP may be different for you as cloudflare is a CDN and the IP could be different in your Country.

From these results, really makes you wonder if you would feel comfortable going to those websites? Note, the IPs below are from the ET Paid IQRisk Blocklist. No other lists show that Ip for me, so I am curious which list is blocking on your end?

grep "^141.101.116." pf/*

pf/ET_IPrep.txt:141.101.116.0/24
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.72
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.52
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.55
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.107
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.126
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.162
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.15
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.187
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.137
pf/e_tcnc:141.101.116.175
pf/e_tcompromised:141.101.116.174
pf/e_tddos:141.101.116.176
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.55
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.154
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.95
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.170
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.112
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.130
pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.17

As an Economist, you should already know that answer ;) Money, Bones, Bread, Fins, Moola, Dinero

Why would they kicks spammers off of their network and lose revenue. Spread the word and block/boycott them all.

What happens is a Spammer sets up shop on a Hosting Service and Spams for as long as they can, after they get blocked, they move to another Hosting Service or just setup a new domain and new IPs. (Sadly, those IPs get recycled to some legit sites and people wonder why they are on a Blocklist when they just got these new IP addresses.)

I have had spamming issues from several Hosting Services HOSTNOC, OVH, Burstnet.

I am currently blocking the whole Burstnet network (3000 servers) as I was getting spammed for months without them doing anything about it. If you want to see how bad it is, take a look at this Google Group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/news.admin.net-abuse.email
(and for a good laugh… ;D)

BBcan177

@Hollander:

Whilst in the traffic jam I was thinking: what actually is the goal of floating rules as opposed to rules on Interface Groups? Both do the same as far as I can tell: they both work over different interfaces, they both come before the individual rules per interface. I am sort of wondering when you should use what ???

Floating Rules are good if you have multiple interfaces, so you can define these in the Floating Tab so that they are in effect for several Interfaces at one time.

Mr. Jingles

@BBcan177:

1. Good idea on putting the Pass list into the IR_ category! Snort/Suricata processses a 'copy' of all the packets. So even if it was blocked by the Firewall, Snort/Suricata will still see it. Keep an eye on the Snort/Suricata alerts, and click on the "!" to see if the IP is listed or has the range blocked. I have noticed that over 90% of what Snort/Suricata Blocks is already being blocked by the Firewall Blocklists.

Hopefully when pfSense moves to 2.2 and they add NetMap api, it will allow a true-inline process for Snort/Suricata.

Thank you BB ;D

Ah, ok, so a package comes in, the firewall is the very first line of defense and in the millisecond it will take the firewall to block it, it will also send it to snort which will analyze it and will also block the IP - which is already blocked by the firewall.

So what we are doing right now is more or less a preparation for when 2.2. comes? As in: Jflsak sad he wants the firewall to do the work that the firewall can do, so Snort won't be wasting CPU (and speed) when not necessary. But if I understand you correctly currently that is still not the case, we will have to wait for 2.2, hence it is just 'preparing for'.

@BBcan177:

2. Suricata will load the Snort VRT ruleset except for about 600 rules. You can see that in the Suricata logs (which ones failed due to regex issues) I would still use the ruleset in Suricata.
(on another note, I still plan on staying with Snort for the time being)

On that other note: why, if I may ask? I thought consensus was sort of Snort is no longer to be trusted?

3. I get them occasionally. Maybe Bill has some suggestions.

I hope ;D

Mr. Jingles

@BBcan177:

Floating Rules are good if you have multiple interfaces, so you can define these in the Floating Tab so that they are in effect for several Interfaces at one time.

I am sure I am once again stupid, but: Interface Groups do exactly the same?

For example, I have MultiWAN, in which both my WAN's are. In the MultiWAN-tab I have set some rules that apply to both WAN's at the same time. Floating rules can do that too, so when would one use Interface Groups, and when would one use Floating Rules ???

Mr. Jingles

@BBcan177:

@Hollander:

I wasn't clear enough, since I could hit geenstijl.nl, but not the movies they embed there. They are hosted on one of their other sites, dumpert.nl. And that one was blocked. The IP lookup turned out this was cloudflare. So I added a floating rule IR_PASS (which, magically, also appears in the dashboard widget :P ) that will use the IR_PASS alias to contain hosts that I might consider 'false positives'.

Just curious, btw, BB: why is cloudflare spamming you (or, better said: how?) I thought this was a reputable service? Obviously not, but I don't know why? I mean, large sites use cloudflare(?)

Here is what I show being blocked by that IP (IP may be different for you as cloudflare is a CDN and the IP could be different in your Country.

From these results, really makes you wonder if you would feel comfortable going to those websites? Note, the IPs below are from the ET Paid IQRisk Blocklist. No other lists show that Ip for me, so I am curious which list is blocking on your end?

grep "^141.101.116." pf/*

pf/ET_IPrep.txt:141.101.116.0/24
<snip>pf/e_tspywarecnc:141.101.116.17

As an Economist, you should already know that answer ;) Money, Bones, Bread, Fins, Moola, Dinero

Why would they kicks spammers off of their network and lose revenue. Spread the word and block/boycott them all.

What happens is a Spammer sets up shop on a Hosting Service and Spams for as long as they can, after they get blocked, they move to another Hosting Service or just setup a new domain and new IPs. (Sadly, those IPs get recycled to some legit sites and people wonder why they are on a Blocklist when they just got these new IP addresses.)

I have had spamming issues from several Hosting Services HOSTNOC, OVH, Burstnet.

I am currently blocking the whole Burstnet network (3000 servers) as I was getting spammed for months without them doing anything about it. If you want to see how bad it is, take a look at this Google Group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/news.admin.net-abuse.email
(and for a good laugh… ;D )</snip>

Thank you ;D

I will use your CLI-examples to try and do that myself, and report back here what mine says for that site, dumpert.nl.

So if I understand you correctly the site dumpert.nl (part of a reputable news paper company group in The Netherlands) is not to be expected to be blamed, it is the fact that they are 'outsourcing' their hosting 'in the cloud' and the cloud provider is making a mess of it, hence risking dumpert.nl to be contaminated with crap ware.

BBcan177

I think both Snort or Suricata are both good options. The rules generally work for either, so the rules to disable are similar except for the Suricata Stream and other rules specific to Suricata. Suricata is a lot more involved and have a lot of new options not available in Snort.

I think the issue with Snort is when Cisco bought them, and the worry is that they close it to open-source at some time in the future. If that happens, everyone would either have to pay up, or switch to Suricata. As Suricata is harder to configure, getting it working now gets you ahead of the game.

So its all about choice and I think thats what Bill has said numerous times.

I think the Floating Tab also allows "Match" (instead of "pass", "Block" or "reject") these are necessary for things like Traffic Shaper to work. So if you use "Interface groups", I believe its probably the same in the end.

Yes lots of reputable sites do that. Take "Yahoo" as an example. Their site is laden with links to other sites and they are known to have issue for spyware excetera. But again, look at Yahoo's financial issues and they need the revenue.

Sometime, you visit a site, and it redirects to another IP just to popup an "Advert" or a drive-by installation of malicious software.

Also look at Dropbox, these malicious groups are using dropbox to push their malware as most people would assume anything from dropbox is safe? :o :o The next steps after IP blocking would be DNS Sinkholing or URL filtering, so that we can stop "known" URLs that lead to reputable sites but are still malicious.

Cino

@Hollander:

3. How do you get rid of all these log lines about traffic being blocked:

–- 255.255.255.255:10001 UDP
--- 239.255.255.250:1900 UDP
--- 224.0.0.252:5355 UDP

They were gone for months, but suddenly the log is being flooded with them again. Ever since I started with pfSense these lines appear to bug me every so many months.

Is snort/suricata blocking them or if it pfsense default block rule? if its snort or suricata, you can suppress them base on the rule that is being triggered:

#SURICATA IPv4 padding required
suppress gen_id 1, sig_id 2200007, track by_dst, ip 224.0.0.22

@Hollander:

I am sure I am once again stupid, but: Interface Groups do exactly the same?

For example, I have MultiWAN, in which both my WAN's are. In the MultiWAN-tab I have set some rules that apply to both WAN's at the same time. Floating rules can do that too, so when would one use Interface Groups, and when would one use Floating Rules ???

Floating rules are rules that can be active on multiple interfaces at the same time, by just merely CTRL+clicking multiple interfaces (extremely easy to add a new interface to an existing rule).
Not only that, floating rules are the first rules that are evaluated. Remember that rules are evaluated top to bottom (not only floating rules, ALL rules). pf(sense) starts from the top of the floating rules tab and works it's way down, then moves on to your interface's tab's top and works it's way down.
If you are going to block a packet, there is no need to pass that packet through the entire "firewall" stack. Passing it from rule to rule saying "does this match this rule?nope, move on to the next one" only to find out 100 rules later that "yes it does match this rule!hm, the rule says block, so I should throw this packet in the trash" will quickly guarantee that some networking "expert" out there will quickly tell you "spitWell there's your problem! You need an i3 for that", while in reality taking away bits and pieces from the work the system has to do makes even the slowest cpu you can afford, EXTREMELY capable. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: MOST people will NEVER need anything more than a p4/atom. You can't imagine the things that little atom box that could, well, could do (no pun intended).

Floating rules help us in implementing these principles. The less work a system has to do, the more efficient it is at doing it.

A couple of years back I set up a couple of remote syslog servers at one on The Company's facilities. I was arguing to the networking/security "experts" (outside The Company) that I don't need a quad socket 12 cores per socket server to log a couple of damned lines. They kept saying "sysloging is one of the most difficult things you can do. Once you grow past a couple dozen of servers it will quickly bring down any server you throw at it", recommending about setting up at LEAST a single socket quad core CPU.
I was pointed at and laughed when I implemented the sysloging on a small ARM box, and curiously enough it kept up with the load. What they failed to see was that instead of requiring a dedicated power line to the sysloging servers, they each consumed less than 10W. A 24/7 10W load is NOTHING compared to what a recommended system would suck down. The trick to proving that industry leaders are complete and utter idiots is knowing your job and constantly thrive to be the best at it. The BEST! A "take no prisoners" approach to training/learning at your job, is the only secure way of achieving your goals.

Oh, by the way, the trick to the ARM servers was filter the messages as early as possible (at the individual servers), then pass the actually needed logs on to the ARM servers WITHOUT passing them on to mysql. Ask yourself. Can I identify an attack/needed-to-identify-action using this line of syslog, merely by looking at it 5 years later? How about if I combine it with the lines above it and below it? If the answer is no, then that line should NOT be logged. It should be discarded as soon as possible (the start of syslog's directives is a great spot!). The EU Logging Standard (European Commission Information Systems Security Policy, Standard on Logging and Monitoring, page 12, technically page 11 section 8.4 Network Firewalls, continues to page 12) says to even log packets that are blocked by the default block rule. The multi-trillion $/€ question is: Why? There is no need to log those packets, since those packets will be discarded anyway. Log a single line per minute of those packets coming in. Then have the evidence that an attacker is still trying to penetrate/DoS your network. You keep the penpushers happy, and you keep your syslog servers happy. Logging 1 line is faster than logging 1,000 lines.

IF<<< (an infinitely huge IF,extremely likely this is NOT the case you are in) you need to analyze logs at the end of a time period for something particular, then import the logs in mysql all at once. If (an infinitely small if, almost a singularity, and most likely this IS the case you are in) you merely need logs to prove that IP 192.168.1.1 was poking at your ssh server, then you DON'T need to import the logs to mysql, EVER. Nope, not in a trillion years. A script grepping (zgrepping, why waste space?) your logs for a particular IP between 2 set time periods and spitting out the lines it's mentioned, is (educated guess based on my years of field experience) about 100 times faster than analyzing logs through a giant database containing billions and billions of logged entries. Yes a database system is designed for this. No you will NOT perform these lookups more than 3 times a day => you don't need the database system (and cluster, and load balancer that come with the contract).

Yet again we prove the industry leaders know nothing about the job they do. Yet again they will deny it, again and again. To keep a system performing at the top of it's potential, you need to KISS (not wanting to offend anyone, it's not directed at anyone in particular, well, maybe at the industry leaders, it's mentioned as in the KISS principle). Keep It Simple, Stupid. The KISS principle in the case of having to deal with multiple interface blocking type rules is:

Evaluate those packets as soon as possible
Simple to add/remove interfaces
No need to duplicate rules to other interfaces.

In other words, floating quick rules :D

dotOne

I'm over 25 years in the IT business as an engineer, consultant and many more functions, and I must say, you are so right.

Ramosel

@jflsakfja:

The trick to proving that industry leaders are complete and utter idiots is knowing your job and constantly thrive to be the best at it. The BEST! A "take no prisoners" approach to training/learning at your job, is the only secure way of achieving your goals.

Thank God I'm retired and no longer have to deal with this. YOU are SO right.

What I found to be most frustrating was that its not just the industry leaders… It's our/your own IT department VPs and AVPs too. Professional Executives who are the reason for PEBKAC and have NO IT history/experience. And some are such "utter idiots" that even when you prove them to be so, they don't see it. Don't confuse them with the facts, their minds are made up. And If you do get the upper hand on the point in case their fallback is always budget. Everything has to go through the budget filter. What they say: "We want to build the safest, most secure system for our customers". What they mean: "We want to build the cheapest, worst system we can get away with". And then when that wasn't enough... the real scumbag execs and lawyers brought in "arm's length". Don't listen to your talented "in-house" IT folks - Hire a consultant so when we do it "our way" (read cheap) and it does get compromised/falls apart/doesn't work, you can blame the consultant!!

Sorry, it was that time; Rant:30

<soap box="" mode="" off="">So now, I leave the training/learning to you folks and sit here and absorb it. Thank you. Its a pleasure.

Rick</soap>

Mr. Jingles

@jflsakfja:

@Hollander:

I am sure I am once again stupid, but: Interface Groups do exactly the same?

For example, I have MultiWAN, in which both my WAN's are. In the MultiWAN-tab I have set some rules that apply to both WAN's at the same time. Floating rules can do that too, so when would one use Interface Groups, and when would one use Floating Rules ???

Floating rules are rules that can be active on multiple interfaces at the same time, by just merely CTRL+clicking multiple interfaces (extremely easy to add a new interface to an existing rule).

Your posts are always a pleasure to read, Jfl :P

As to your ARM-example; I do recognize it. I am an economist, but I have been involved in huge ERP-projects for over a decade. Trust me, ERP-projects need more economists; a retrained history student that suddenly, after 4 weeks of courses, is a 'senior financial consultant', can se-rious-ly mess up global ERP-projects in which we need to implement the full scale of accounting and controlling, all the way up to consolidation and hyperinflation accounting and resulting in financial analytics. If you want to have the servers and the ERP-systems to do that au-to-ma-ti-cally (which you want, if you have say a 1000 locations/100 different GAAP's/150 different currencies/ around the globe that need to report their results 3 days after month end), you don't get anywhere with a former history student that says that a simple journal entry is too complex and we 'need to discuss this on a higher, more strategical level').

Many times companies turned to me for second opinions on blueprints. For a simple reason: because they couldn't believe the crap all these 'global system integrators' were saying (and yes, these are the tens of thousands employees type of companies I am referring to :-[ ). The clients take them 'because they have global coverage' (needed if you have to do a global roll out), and then they are bravely waiting for their turn to be screwed. The biggest scam of all, the one I always saw returning, is that the blueprint consists, for 50-90%, of this line: 'not possible in the standard system, custom development is needed'. Then you have this situation: a Fortune500 company invests 500 million in the project (hardware (global, again), licenses, consultants to set it all up). Accepts that it will take 5-10 years to roll it all out. And after signing the contract finally, after a long and difficult, frustrating birth, gets a blueprint in which it is said that that top of the bill ERP-system can not send customer profitability in real time to the data warehouse. 'This is custom development, because the standard system can not do that'.

I've made many enemies over the years when I came in for second opinions: usually, I just made sure both the customer and the former history student-now 'sr. financial consultants' were in the same room, after which I opened a development box and customized the required functionality on the scene.

I've made ma-ny enemies over the years with all these 'integrators' who have 23 years old 'senior' punks on staff who know nothing except for saying that they have 'tens of thousands of years of experience' ;D ;D ;D

Of course, I also learned over the years that most VP's are either corrupt or incompetent or both; in the end, there's always somebody in the top who doesn't care about the truth, who doesn't care that the company is ripped off. You don't need to be an Einstein to understand what's behind that. (From an economical point of view, btw: it all boils down to ownership of the company. So called 'agency problems'. Nobody gives a sh*t if he is playing with not his own money, and gets away with it).

Anyway, so: I recognize your ARM-example all too well :P

If I may, JFL: as much as I agree with your point of view on doing things efficiently (I have to, I am an economist ;D ), sofar I still don't see a difference re Floating Rules versus Interface Groups: as easily as I can add an interface to a an existing Floating Rule, just as easily can I add an interface to an existing Interface Group (to which then the rules for that Group also apply). And since then the Floating Rule won't handle it but the Interface Group will, it is not a matter of pushing rules through the Firewall landscape, as the Floating Rule doesn't handle the packet, but the first stop will be the Interface Group.

You know by now that I am the eternal noob, famous for asking stupid questions ;D

BBcan177

@Hollander:

1. Does it make sense that if IR_PRI1 is blocking that Snort is also still blocking IP's based on Dshield (which is in IR_PRI1)?

You can "uncheck" these ET rules as pfIPRep already includes these lists. No need for Snort/Suricata to be looking at these. You should also enable the "Port Scanning Pre-Processor" to ban IPs that scan your IP for Open Ports.

I am sure that jflsakfja has already said to disable them, but I noticed from your post that you indicated "dShield".

(Pro Rules)
etpro-botcc.portgrouped.rules
etpro-botcc.rules
etpro-ciarmy.rules
etpro-compromised.rules
etpro-drop.rules
etpro-dshield.rules

(These are discontinued and are blank, so you can skip these also)
etpro-rbn-malvertisers.rules
etpro-rbn.rules

(Subscriber Rules)
emerging-botcc.portgrouped.rules
emerging-botcc.rules
emerging-ciarmy.rules
emerging-compromised.rules
emerging-dshield.rules

emerging-rbn-malvertisers.rules
emerging-rbn.rules

You will also notice in the pfiprep script the Collect line for Snort/Suricata. This will load all of the IPs in those Rulesets and remove any duplicates. I am noticing that there are some IPs in these Rules that are not in their ET COMP, ET Block or ET IPREP. I have asked their support desk for the reason why, but still waiting for a reply.

So I would recommend enabling the Snort/Suricata (i386/AMD64) rule accordingly. Only need to have one of them enabled.