Enterprise style Central Management Interface - {Now $1900}

hoba

That product looks like a replacement for pfSense. Not something which would let me manage multiple units from one location.

Astaro is a linux based firewalldistribution, that's right but they offer a commandcenter that you can control multiple astaro units with. I didn't say switch to astaro, I just said if something like that has to be developed for pfSense it can't hurt to have a look at similiar existing products. It's the same like the watchguard controlcenter that was psoted here. Watchguard is a replacement for pfSense as well.

kapara

Hi Hoba,

ok…so you meant as an example. Thanks for the suggestion. I appreciate any help. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

kapara

Just a thought real quick….Curious how this will be applied to pfsense. As part of the system? Separate product entirely? As a plugin?

Thanks,

Mark

eri--

The best way would be for it being available as a package running in a jail with the option to disable all the GUI at the other, controlled, hosts. Since it is not needed on them.

Just my 2c

Considering that 1.3 will offer the ability to run pfSense as an appliance (single NIC) I would think that making this a package that could be installed on a pfSense appliance would make the most sense. I certainly wouldn't want something this powerful sitting on my edge firewall where someone might get a hold of it.

cybrsrfr

@submicron:

Considering that 1.3 will offer the ability to run pfSense as an appliance (single NIC) I would think that making this a package that could be installed on a pfSense appliance would make the most sense.

I was thinking the same exact thing. A package to run on the new appliance would be perfect when its available. Until that time a standalone version that can run on its own would be good so we can get started now.

I've now downloaded the m0n0wall-cmi code from http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/. I don't think there would be any reason to start over. We should leverage the 3 months of full time coding that was spent to create it. In fact it would be great to maintain that packages ability to manage m0n0wall and extend it to also manage PFSense. By doing this we should be able to leverage a larger audience of users and developers to improve it from both m0n0wall and PFSense. Since PFSense was based on m0n0wall that should give us a nice jump start.

kapara

Here are my requirements for the bounty:

1. Manage all aspects of each pfSense firewall from central location (Like m0n0wall CMI).
2. A heads up of all pfsense systems with green light if able to communicate/Red if not with central management device.
Possibly in a tree like format where the icon would turn red or a list format.
Red would be based on rules..ie connection from CMI down, CPU high, low memory, point to point tunnel down, unusually high traffic for entended period of time based on rules.
3. Email notification (SMS notification if possible) when a rule has either a threshold passed or unable to perform the task requested in the rule..ie Ping
Email notification….via smtp with potential username/password
4.Connection from CMI to remote systems must be secure (Probably doesn't need to be mentioned but....)
5. Ability to schedule automatic backups and perform manual backups. Possibly better than automatic is have the system check the file and if it is newer to back it up.
6. Have RRD graphs available for connections from CMI to remote locations.
6. Logging of system to a web based log like in pfSense with ability to filter based on firewall and type of events and export. (I really like the idea of going to one location for all information rather than having to constantly switch)
7. Ability to send log info to syslog for further diagnosis.
8. I would like the install to be as simple as installing pfSense itself or adding a plugin.
9. I really think a one stop shop solution would be best (All services provided within the same box) since this unit will not be acting as a firewall. Prefered but not required.
10. Would be great but not required is mobileweb..ie Iphone or PocketPC web like interface for remote management via Phone.

Please excuse me if my list is not realistic. Any suggestions or comments would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Mark

kapara

Hi ermal,

What if the CMI console was unable to access the local pfSense. Would that prevent someone from accessing it locally if they had to?

Mark

dingo

My implementation does not run on pfSense. It is a standalone application to manage infrastructure. it should not be run physically on the pfSense firewall itself, but yes could probably be turned into a "application". CMI is a good start but Im going way further down the road then CMI has gone so far.

Jonb

Just as a suggestion I have used Checkpoint firewall in the past and the way they have done it is:

The main firewall holds all the settings
Then the remote firewalls have their info pushed out to them

But to manage all of this there is an exe application that connects to the main firewall. All the config and rules you create you then select what firewall these rules apply to. After you hit save it prompts what firewalls to update after hit ok and it rolls out.

This thing I did like about the Checkpoints is that they had a drag and drop firewall creation in the app which did speed things up.

If any screen shots are helpfull I can post.

kapara

I see one issue with this bounty and probably similar to others is if it were to be completed, it would probably require tremendous maintenance since anytime items might be changed or added into pfSense they would have to be updated in this solution. And due to the fact that people would become heavily dependent on this interface it would probably need to be either updated or patched with each release. That may or may not require support from the core pfSense team. This solution might be easier if we were to use 1.3 as an appliance because (Correct me if I am wrong) anything that were accessible via the pfSense gui would be fairly easy to add to this appliance since its guts would be fairly similar or how a call is made would be similar when making a request via the web interface. (Correct me if I am wrong please). My concern about this solution being a separate application, ie…not built similarly to the existing pfSense is it would make it very time consuming to update and might decrease the amount of people who could work on it or that would be willing to support updating it. Dingo, You mentioned that with your solution you would be looking far past what the m0n0wall-CMI is capable of doing or what it could do. My question is does your solution have the possibility to eliminate the desire of other to be willing to contribute time to this solution? I am not a programmer and could be completely off track, and if so would be more than happy to be corrected. Maybe explaining more about how your solution would work would be a good idea.

Thanks,

Mark

dingo

My solution takes into account future growth, it accomodates data structures based on the xml config file
by dynamically loading data, and parsing it for variables. Though i am not conceptually happy with the way mono
interacts with its hosts via backup/restore, I believe a SSL pipe for communication of XML data is a more likely solution
the system would have to be keep in sync with pfSense releases, or automated enough to update itself when new
releases came out. It must also understand packages installed, and hopefully be capable enough to also configure them.
it will be syslog capable. so all your logs are belong to us…. it should also be portal capable of digging into host rrd traffic
graphs also, something i need to research more deeply. I also belive at some time managed firewalls should be webless,
meaning no http running. now all this requires some interaction with the developer team and buy in from the design perspective.
they should also be monitorable, and you should be able to mass depoly templates to all managed systems in emergencys
like new firewall rules, or config data to mass update all systems. I am of the old school where i belive in the minimal processes should
be running or installed on a firewall. Though we all have our needs. This will be a centralized system, though it might be designed to run
on a pfSense appliance as a base

mastrboy

just one suggestion, if any of you are going to make an "application/binary" instead of web based for this, please make it OS-Independent.. Not everyone use windows or even have a legal windows license..

I would prefer a GTK/QT based app, as it can run on most systems. but overall i would prefer it to be web based with alot of ajax..

I might chip in some money for this if it looks good enough feature-wise.

dotdash

For my part, I'd like to see mon0wall-cmi extended, or something similar.
I'm going to put the following caveats on my portion of the bounty:

Must be open-source.
Must be web-based.
Must run on FreeBSD. A package for 'pfSense-Appliance' would be fine, but it seems it might be easier to make the application first, and then create a package. Support for Linux/Windows/whatever is nice, but not important to me.
Must have option to leave existing ssh/https management. I still need the box to be accessible to a tech/manager at the site. In other words, the app should not force me to use it as the only way to manage the box.
Must be able to view status and manage all firewalls centrally. (I know, Duh…)

Features that I think would be nice:

Main view configurable similar to the pfSense dashboard: you could choose to show VPN status, CARP status, etc.
Ability to email alerts.
Having centrally-maintained alias' that could be sync'd to all firewalls.
Periodic config backups.

Jonb

You could use java based if you wanted it os independant.

sullrich

@Jonb:

You could use java based if you wanted it os independant.

Gross. Please do not use Java. I can promise you that a majority of the pfSense developers will not touch anything that runs on Java. HINT: you are going to be limiting contributions if you do.

kapara

So besides Dingo, is there anyone else who might actually be able to contribute to the developement of this product/solution? So far it seems like only Dingo has mentioned any serious interest in this bounty from a deveopement standpoint…ie taking on the bounty. Of course I would prefer a solution which would have developement support from a larger group of members, but as it stands....most of the devs do not seem to be interested in this bounty for possibly several reasons...too busy with other bounties, do not consider this bounty something which would benefit the pfsense project...or the bounty is not high enough....If I missed somehting please fill in the gaps. As it stands, I really would prefer to stay with the pfSense product, and since I am not able to code this on my own I would probably go with a solution which Dingo would come up with. Pity because I think this would really be a great addition to the pfSense. Even for people who do no manage multiple customers but might have a main office with satellite offices would benefit from this. If anyone has any suggestions on how we might be able to gain more interest in this bounty please let me know. I am not easily offended so if you think I am off my rocker on this.. :P Let me know.

If the solutionDingo has would be supported by other users..ie maintaining... then great!

Peace...

Mark

sullrich

I will be helping out longer term but will not be participating in the bounty. If for some reason you all use some wacky language (like java) then I will be putting my efforts behind http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/ … I would like to see http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/ being used as a base but I cannot stop whoever claims the bounty.

cybrsrfr

@sullrich:

I will be helping out longer term but will not be participating in the bounty. If for some reason you all use some wacky language (like java) then I will be putting my efforts behind http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/ … I would like to see http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/ being used as a base but I cannot stop whoever claims the bounty.

I agree with everything Scott said.

@dotdash:

For my part, I'd like to see mon0wall-cmi extended, or something similar.
I'm going to put the following caveats on my portion of the bounty:

Must be open-source.

Must be web-based.

Must run on FreeBSD. A package for 'pfSense-Appliance' would be fine, but it seems it might be easier to make the application first, and then create a package. Support for Linux/Windows/whatever is nice, but not important to me.

Must have option to leave existing ssh/https management. I still need the box to be accessible to a tech/manager at the site. In other words, the app should not force me to use it as the only way to manage the box.

Must be able to view status and manage all firewalls centrally. (I know, Duh…)

Features that I think would be nice:

Main view configurable similar to the pfSense dashboard: you could choose to show VPN status, CARP status, etc.

Ability to email alerts.

Having centrally-maintained alias' that could be sync'd to all firewalls.

Periodic config backups.

I agree with everything dotdash has said.

I'm planning on working on this and starting by extending http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/. I believe a multi-platform application such as this will work great with PHP. It would be an ideal package for the PFSense Appliance I would even go so far as to say that it validates the need for the PFSense Appliance.

As I have said before PHP will work on every Operating System. PHP is scalable if you don't believe me ask yahoo.com in fact for that matter go to php.net look at the bottom left hand corner and you will see that the main PHP mirror is provided by yahoo. If you want to learn why they provide the mirror read http://www.radwin.org/michael/talks/yahoo-phpcon2002.htm. Still not convinced IBM backed Linux (too bad they didn't choose FreeBSD) and it its popularity in businesses skyrocketed for a year or more now IBM has done the same the for PHP. Oracle support soon followed with a PDO extension for Oracle. Zend has also made a deal with Microsoft to improve PHP on Windows (It already outperforms some Microsoft web technologies). PHP has a vast developer base and that means many potential contributors to this project.

A desktop application often locks the application to one computer. A web application however can be accessed by several groups of people from anywhere.

Next week I will have time to begin contributing to this project. I would like a guesstimate from Scott or other core admin for a snapshot download of the PFSense Appliance. So I can load it and turn m0n0wall-cmi into a package. My plan is to install it. Then play with it with m0n0wall and make some of the class names more general. For example I noticed one class name was prefixed with m0n0wall and the database class has mysql in its name. Will add PDO as an option to the database class. Then start extending features to include PFSense. Once the system can handle PFSense and m0n0wall then begin to extend the CMI features. The more contributors the better especially if they are willing to help out beyond the life of the bounty.

Best Regards

eri--

I will be helping out longer term but will not be participating in the bounty. If for some reason you all use some wacky language (like java) then I will be putting my efforts behind http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/ … I would like to see http://m0n0wall-cmi.sourceforge.net/ being used as a base but I cannot stop whoever claims the bounty.

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