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    2.2 Snapshot Feedback and Problems - RETIRED
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      ondokuz last edited by

      A office (2.1.5) B office ( 2.1.5)  it used to run.

      A office  ( prfsense 2.1.5)
      B office (pfsense 2.2 rc snapshot daily)

      A office pfsense server restarting or halting.
      A office pfsense server starting.

      ipsec vpn not connecting.

      2.1.5 logs:

      Jan 7 15:40:01 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:07 racoon: ERROR: phase1 negotiation failed due to time up. 61c92813ac87aaa2:0000000000000000
      Jan 7 15:40:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: INFO: IPsec-SA request for 88.88.88.12 queued due to no phase1 found.
      Jan 7 15:40:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: INFO: initiate new phase 1 negotiation: 88.88.88.50[500]<=>88.88.88.12[500]
      Jan 7 15:40:17 racoon: INFO: begin Aggressive mode.
      Jan 7 15:40:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:21 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:27 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:28 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:37 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:41 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:47 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:48 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: phase2 negotiation failed due to time up waiting for phase1 [Remote Side not responding]. ESP 88.88.88.12[0]->88.88.88.50[0]
      Jan 7 15:40:48 racoon: INFO: delete phase 2 handler.
      Jan 7 15:40:51 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:57 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:40:58 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:07 racoon: ERROR: phase1 negotiation failed due to time up. ac2b7636f79b142f:0000000000000000
      Jan 7 15:41:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: INFO: IPsec-SA request for 88.88.88.12 queued due to no phase1 found.
      Jan 7 15:41:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: INFO: initiate new phase 1 negotiation: 88.88.88.50[500]<=>88.88.88.12[500]
      Jan 7 15:41:17 racoon: INFO: begin Aggressive mode.
      Jan 7 15:41:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:21 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:27 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:28 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:37 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:41 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:47 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
      Jan 7 15:41:48 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: phase2 negotiation failed due to time up waiting for phase1 [Remote Side not responding]. ESP 88.88.88.12[0]->88.88.88.50[0]

      2.2.RC logs

      Last 50 IPsec log entries
      Jan 7 15:39:47 charon: 09[IKE] <con5000|4>received retransmit of request with ID 0, retransmitting response
      Jan 7 15:39:47 charon: 09[IKE] received retransmit of request with ID 0, retransmitting response
      Jan 7 15:39:47 charon: 09[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (428 bytes)
      Jan 7 15:39:47 charon: 09[JOB] deleting half open IKE_SA after timeout
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[NET] received packet: from 88.88.88.50[500] to 88.88.88.12[500] (368 bytes)
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[ENC] parsed AGGRESSIVE request 0 [ SA KE No ID V V V V V V ]
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> received FRAGMENTATION vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] received FRAGMENTATION vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> received NAT-T (RFC 3947) vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] received NAT-T (RFC 3947) vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02\n vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02\n vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-00 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-00 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> received DPD vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] received DPD vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] <5> 88.88.88.50 is initiating a Aggressive Mode IKE_SA
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[IKE] 88.88.88.50 is initiating a Aggressive Mode IKE_SA
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[CFG] looking for pre-shared key peer configs matching 88.88.88.12…88.88.88.50[88.88.88.50]
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[CFG] selected peer config "con5000"
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[ENC] generating AGGRESSIVE response 0 [ SA KE No ID NAT-D NAT-D HASH V V V V V ]
      Jan 7 15:39:57 charon: 09[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (428 bytes)
      Jan 7 15:40:01 charon: 09[IKE] <con5000|5>sending retransmit 1 of response message ID 0, seq 1
      Jan 7 15:40:01 charon: 09[IKE] sending retransmit 1 of response message ID 0, seq 1
      Jan 7 15:40:01 charon: 09[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (428 bytes)
      Jan 7 15:40:08 charon: 09[IKE] <con5000|5>sending retransmit 2 of response message ID 0, seq 1
      Jan 7 15:40:08 charon: 09[IKE] sending retransmit 2 of response message ID 0, seq 1
      Jan 7 15:40:08 charon: 09[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (428 bytes)
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[NET] received packet: from 88.88.88.50[500] to 88.88.88.12[500] (368 bytes)
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[ENC] parsed AGGRESSIVE request 0 [ SA KE No ID V V V V V V ]
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> received FRAGMENTATION vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] received FRAGMENTATION vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> received NAT-T (RFC 3947) vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] received NAT-T (RFC 3947) vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02\n vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-02\n vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-00 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] received draft-ietf-ipsec-nat-t-ike-00 vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> received DPD vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] received DPD vendor ID
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] <6> 88.88.88.50 is initiating a Aggressive Mode IKE_SA
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[IKE] 88.88.88.50 is initiating a Aggressive Mode IKE_SA
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[CFG] looking for pre-shared key peer configs matching 88.88.88.12…88.88.88.50[88.88.88.50]
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[CFG] selected peer config "con5000"
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[ENC] generating AGGRESSIVE response 0 [ SA KE No ID NAT-D NAT-D HASH V V V V V ]
      Jan 7 15:40:17 charon: 09[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (428 bytes)</con5000|5></con5000|5></con5000|4>

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        kitdavis last edited by

        I think this is very similar to:  https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=86080.0

        In my case phase 1 is successful but phase 2 (while appearing to connect) is never correctly established.  I've tried rebuilding the IPSEC documents on each side and changing some parameters with no success.  (some change in failure behaviour, but ultimately no connection)  CMB has been looking at this for the last few days so I suspect he probably has some ideas on the cause of the problem.

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          eri-- last edited by

          Can you also upgrade to the latest snapshots and test again?

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            kitdavis last edited by

            I don't want to hijack this thread since I am not 100% we both have the same problem - but after updating to this morning's snapshot, I see no ultimate change in behaviour.

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              ondokuz last edited by

              I  am using last snapshot.
              best regards.

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                eri-- last edited by

                This is a bug in racoon, can you try to enable NAT-T or disable it on 2.1.5?

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                  cmb last edited by

                  I think that might be the racoon bug I originally thought kitdavis' issue was (and that may have been the original issue there, but Ermal found the actual source issue today and is working on a fix right now). In that case, switching to main mode from aggressive on both sides should work around it.

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                    ondokuz last edited by

                    upgraded last snapshot
                    last logs..

                    website A : pfsense 2.2.RC
                    website B pfsense 2.1.5

                    When the server named pfsense 2.2Rc is restarted, the vpn is disconnected.
                    Connection with website A can only be made when forced manually. Automatic connection can not be made.

                    best regards

                    SITE A LOGS

                    Jan 8 13:49:37 charon: 15[IKE] <17> 88.88.88.50 is initiating a Aggressive Mode IKE_SA
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 charon: 15[IKE] 88.88.88.50 is initiating a Aggressive Mode IKE_SA
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 charon: 15[CFG] looking for pre-shared key peer configs matching 88.88.88.12…88.88.88.50[88.88.88.50]
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 charon: 15[CFG] selected peer config "con5000"
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 charon: 15[ENC] generating AGGRESSIVE response 0 [ SA KE No ID NAT-D NAT-D HASH V V V V V ]
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 charon: 15[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (432 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:49:41 charon: 15[IKE] <con5000|17>sending retransmit 1 of response message ID 0, seq 1
                    Jan 8 13:49:41 charon: 15[IKE] sending retransmit 1 of response message ID 0, seq 1
                    Jan 8 13:49:41 charon: 15[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (432 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:49:45 charon: 15[KNL] unable to query SAD entry with SPI 0d9a6414: No such file or directory (2)
                    Jan 8 13:49:47 charon: 15[NET] received packet: from 88.88.88.50[500] to 88.88.88.12[500] (372 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:49:47 charon: 15[IKE] <con5000|17>received retransmit of request with ID 0, retransmitting response
                    Jan 8 13:49:47 charon: 15[IKE] received retransmit of request with ID 0, retransmitting response
                    Jan 8 13:49:47 charon: 15[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (432 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:49:48 charon: 15[IKE] <con5000|17>sending retransmit 2 of response message ID 0, seq 1
                    Jan 8 13:49:48 charon: 15[IKE] sending retransmit 2 of response message ID 0, seq 1
                    Jan 8 13:49:48 charon: 15[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (432 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:49:57 charon: 15[NET] received packet: from 88.88.88.50[500] to 88.88.88.12[500] (372 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:49:57 charon: 15[IKE] <con5000|17>received retransmit of request with ID 0, retransmitting response
                    Jan 8 13:49:57 charon: 15[IKE] received retransmit of request with ID 0, retransmitting response
                    Jan 8 13:49:57 charon: 15[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (432 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:50:01 charon: 15[IKE] <con5000|17>sending retransmit 3 of response message ID 0, seq 1
                    Jan 8 13:50:01 charon: 15[IKE] sending retransmit 3 of response message ID 0, seq 1
                    Jan 8 13:50:01 charon: 15[NET] sending packet: from 88.88.88.12[500] to 88.88.88.50[500] (432 bytes)
                    Jan 8 13:50:02 charon: 15[KNL] unable to query SAD entry with SPI 0d9a6414: No such file or directory (2)
                    Jan 8 13:50:07 charon: 09[JOB] deleting half open IKE_SA after timeout

                    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
                    XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

                    SITE B LOGS

                    racoon: INFO: caught signal 15
                    Jan 8 13:49:32 racoon: INFO: racoon process 90463 shutdown
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: INFO: @(#)ipsec-tools 0.8.1 (http://ipsec-tools.sourceforge.net)
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: INFO: @(#)This product linked OpenSSL 1.0.1i 6 Aug 2014 (http://www.openssl.org/)
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: INFO: Reading configuration from "/var/etc/ipsec/racoon.conf"
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [Self]: INFO: 88.88.88.50[4500] used for NAT-T
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [Self]: INFO: 88.88.88.50[4500] used as isakmp port (fd=14)
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [Self]: INFO: 88.88.88.50[500] used for NAT-T
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [Self]: INFO: 88.88.88.50[500] used as isakmp port (fd=15)
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: INFO: unsupported PF_KEY message REGISTER
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: ERROR: such policy already exists. anyway replace it: 10.0.6.1/32[0] 10.0.6.0/24[0] proto=any dir=out
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: ERROR: such policy already exists. anyway replace it: 10.0.6.0/24[0] 10.0.6.1/32[0] proto=any dir=in
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: ERROR: such policy already exists. anyway replace it: 10.0.6.0/24[0] 10.0.20.0/24[0] proto=any dir=out
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: ERROR: such policy already exists. anyway replace it: 10.0.20.0/24[0] 10.0.6.0/24[0] proto=any dir=in
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: ERROR: such policy already exists. anyway replace it: 10.0.6.0/24[0] 10.0.1.0/24[0] proto=any dir=out
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: ERROR: such policy already exists. anyway replace it: 10.0.1.0/24[0] 10.0.6.0/24[0] proto=any dir=in
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: INFO: IPsec-SA request for 88.88.88.12 queued due to no phase1 found.
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: INFO: initiate new phase 1 negotiation: 88.88.88.50[500]<=>88.88.88.12[500]
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: INFO: begin Aggressive mode.
                    Jan 8 13:49:37 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:49:41 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:49:47 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:49:48 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:49:57 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:50:01 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:50:07 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:50:08 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: phase2 negotiation failed due to time up waiting for phase1 [Remote Side not responding]. ESP 88.88.88.12[0]->88.88.88.50[0]
                    Jan 8 13:50:08 racoon: INFO: delete phase 2 handler.
                    Jan 8 13:50:11 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:50:17 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:50:18 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: ignore the packet, received unexpecting payload type 20.
                    Jan 8 13:50:21 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] INFO: request for establishing IPsec-SA was queued due to no phase1 found.
                    Jan 8 13:50:27 racoon: ERROR: phase1 negotiation failed due to time up. 35aa054d262e4cfc:0000000000000000
                    Jan 8 13:50:52 racoon: [sistem_odasi]: [88.88.88.12] ERROR: phase2 negotiation failed due to time up waiting for phase1 [Remote Side not responding]. ESP 88.88.88.12[0]->88.88.88.50[0]
                    Jan 8 13:50:52 racoon: INFO: delete phase 2 handler.</con5000|17></con5000|17></con5000|17></con5000|17></con5000|17>

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                      eri-- last edited by

                      Do you have multiple phase2 on an IKEv1 tunnel?

                      Also try enabling NAT-T if possible on your 2.1.x side.

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                        ondokuz last edited by

                        Do you have multiple phase2 on an IKEv1 tunnel?

                        No. only one .

                        Also try enabling NAT-T if possible on your 2.1.x side.

                        enable.

                        Negotiation mode : Aggressive to main >>>> running.. problem?

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                          cmb last edited by

                          @ondokuz:

                          Negotiation mode : Aggressive to main >>>> running.. problem?

                          You saying changing from aggressive to main fixed it?

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                            ondokuz last edited by

                            yes. main mod fixed

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                              cmb last edited by

                              Ok good, thanks for the confirmation. Yeah then that was the racoon bug we were thinking it was.

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                                ondokuz last edited by

                                2.2-RC (amd64)
                                built on Fri Jan 09 09:55:04 CST 2015
                                FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p3

                                Aggressive mod dont connect… problem don't solve..

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                                  cmb last edited by

                                  Yes that's a problem in racoon, e.g. the 2.1.x side. In that circumstance, you won't be able to use aggressive mode (at least until you upgrade the other end to 2.2). Main is preferable anyway.

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                                    ondokuz last edited by

                                    thank you very much.  Which do you recommend ?  Which is more secure? aggressive or main ?
                                    best regards.

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                                      cmb last edited by

                                      Main is always best unless it's not an option for some reason (like in some mobile IPsec scenarios). For site to site VPNs, you should always use main mode, unless you're connecting to some odd third party device that doesn't support it.

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                                        tracer last edited by

                                        Hi,
                                        I can't get my tunnels connected anymore since build from 7th of Jan.
                                        before it was working good with Aggressive Mode, but even switching to Main mode didn't help.
                                        I have 2 phase 2 policies.
                                        The other side of course is a pfsense 2.1.5
                                        I'm using Main, AES/256, with SHA, DH Key2 with NAT-T enabled.
                                        Phase2: ESP, AES(auto) with SHA1, MD5, PFS key2

                                        Updated to build 10th of Jan.

                                        Errors on the 2.1.5:

                                        
Jan 10 17:17:16 	racoon: ERROR: phase1 negotiation failed due to time up. 14607675c166a280:0000000000000000
Jan 10 17:17:10 	racoon: [mchome kabel]: [9.1.176.100] INFO: request for establishing IPsec-SA was queued due to no phase1 found.
Jan 10 17:17:07 	racoon: [mchome kabel]: [9.1.176.100] INFO: request for establishing IPsec-SA was queued due to no phase1 found.
Jan 10 17:17:02 	racoon: INFO: delete phase 2 handler.
Jan 10 17:17:02 	racoon: [mchome kabel]: [9.1.176.100] ERROR: phase2 negotiation failed due to time up waiting for phase1 [Remote Side not responding]. ESP 9.1.176.100[0]->6.1.47.71[0]

                                        You phase1 does not match.
                                        Your ips might have changed?

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                                          ondokuz last edited by

                                          my pfsense 2.2 configuration.

                                          working all snapshots….


                                          my pfsense 2.1.5 configuration


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                                            tracer last edited by

                                            This is pretty much my config, except that i have Phase 2 MD5 enabled as well.
                                            And DPD is disabled right now, but was enabled before, with no success.

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                                              ondokuz last edited by

                                              Can you do the same with me the configure.. my screenshots..

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                                                cmb last edited by

                                                @tracer:

                                                This is pretty much my config, except that i have Phase 2 MD5 enabled as well.
                                                And DPD is disabled right now, but was enabled before, with no success.

                                                Make sure you're on the latest snapshot, some things were in flux with IPsec this past week which could affect what you're doing. If it's still an issue on the latest snapshot, please start a new thread on this board, as that's a separate issue from OP's.

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                                                  tracer last edited by

                                                  Thanks Chris,
                                                  will updated and report back in a new thread.

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