New Internet speeds coming down the pipe - pun



  • Yay, I'm getting a free upgrade. Just got the new brochure. These are actual prices, no funny business. your bill is exactly advertised price + sales tax. And yes, bandwidth is provided by Level 3, no crappy peering.

    • Fastest speeds, up to 1 Gig (1,000Mbps)
    • Dedicated, symmetrical service

    20 Mbps $39.99
    70 Mbps $69.99
    100 Mbps $89.99
    250 Mbps $199.99
    500 Mbps $499.99
    1 Gig (1,000 Mbps) $599.99



  • Sheesh, I'm paying $65/m for 25/5.



  • Crap internet for premium prices is what I usually expect in most places.

    I'm actually planning my next move around utilities.  Not going anywhere thats stuck in the past again.



  • Stay away from the West then.  Perhaps Eastern Europe?  Some of those ex-USSR satellites have amazing broadband.  Best Korea and Japan also rock the pipes.



  • So, my best option is:

    http://pldthome.com/fibr



  • @Harvy66:

    Yay, I'm getting a free upgrade. Just got the new brochure. These are actual prices, no funny business. your bill is exactly advertised price + sales tax. And yes, bandwidth is provided by Level 3, no crappy peering.

    • Fastest speeds, up to 1 Gig (1,000Mbps)
    • Dedicated, symmetrical service

    20 Mbps $39.99
    70 Mbps $69.99
    100 Mbps $89.99
    250 Mbps $199.99
    500 Mbps $499.99
    1 Gig (1,000 Mbps) $599.99

    And what sort of monthly volume quota is on those?

    I really want to get the ISPs here in Nepal to start providing some realistic speed vs. price - we have to pay around 10,000NPR (about $US100) /month for just a 1 or 2 Mbps unlimited quota symmetrical service!



  • They're unlimited. According to their policy, they could implement a cap

    If congestion becomes a problem, the Company may implement reasonable network management practices tailored to reduce or mitigate the effects of congestion on the network, taking into account the particular network architecture and technology of the Company. Reasonable network management practices that the Company may adopt include, but are not limited to, the following: (i) a cap on data usage; (ii) modification of serving facility or service technology; and/or (iii) a modification of or a limitation on data throughput speed or data consumption.

    I actually got to talk to a senior network admin who has been with the company since nearly the beginning of when they started offering Internet services. He said that used to oversubscribe their network, but management was such a head ache. He described it as playing "whack a mole", constantly being kept busy handling customer complaints and increasing bandwidth where needed.

    He said they eventually just went all dedicated bandwidth, freeing up lots of time and nearly stopping all customer complaints related to the Internet. Mind you, this is a residential service.

    Similar to your pricing, they offering 2Mb/2Mb DSL for $100/month. I asked the admin why only 2mb for their highest speed of DSL. He told me they cannot offer faster DSL speeds without oversubscribing the DSLAM's uplink. It seems to me that they take "dedicated" serious enough. I do question how dedicated their 1gb service is. The GPON their using is only 2.5/1.25. You would nearly need your own port with almost no one else sharing. Well, I assume they're using 2.5/1.25 because it is the most popular, but the spec does support 2.5/2.5. Unfortunately, I don't have access to their link rates.

    I'm not too concerned about the possibility of them adding caps. I contacted them by emailed and asked them about the possibility of getting a Netflix CDN, because at the time in order to get SuperHD, you needed to be using OpenConnect. My email got forwarded to the Manager of the ISP services and he told me they have no intention of getting a Netflix CDN because they would rather just purchase more trunk bandwidth.

    An ISP that looks Netflix in the face and says "screw you and your CDN, I'm just going to purchase more trunk bandwidth from Level 3", is an ISP I can get behind. I assume they will someday get an OpenConnect Appliance, but they seem to currently be unconcerned. Just wait for 4K streaming to get popular  ;-)



  • Harvy, where are you located and what ISP do you use?  Wish we had pricing like that in Southern California.



  • A small ISP in a small city in the Midwest. Lets just say I can get as low as 8ms ping, as reported in-game to some counter-strike servers in Chicago. As much as I would like to name them, it would essentially be like saying "this is where I live", and it's a small enough city to easily find people. In case I ever get a cyber-stalker.

    It does sound like they're looking to expand. Charter is profusely bleeding customers around here. When I went to turn in my cable modem, I had a 20 minute wait in a line of people also returning their modems. We asked the person at the desk what's going on, and they said it's been like this for months as people were switching ISPs for fiber.

    Nearly all of their bandwidth is via Level 3. They only have one in-network CDN that I know of, Akamai. Everything else is brute-force of raw trunk bandwidth to Level 3.

    I've tried to work my connection like a mule, but I limit myself to legal means, which is pretty much Torrent seeding of opensource stuff. The first day or two of seeding I've had daily averages in the 30Mb/s+ range, but it drops off quickly. You can only seed 6MB/s for so long before everyone has the data. I've had hourly averages of 45Mb/s, which is pretty good for a 50Mb connection during peak hours.

    I can't wait for the next Fedora or Ubuntu release, I want to see how my pings stay while seeding with my up-coming 100Mb connection.

    Here's an image of me playing with Traffic Shaping and setting P2P to about 45Mb/s.

    Here's me messing around with traffic shaping set to 48Mb/s. It's actually quite hard to get my upload maxed. Lots of services to speed test download, but not so much the upload. Th easiest way to test download is to queue up a few large Linux ISOs that are well seeded. Again, hard to test upload.

    Here's a typical week. They are not perfect and do have some blips, but nearly all of the time, those blips seem to be the gateway host taking long to respond and does not actually affect my connection. I've ran pings against many external servers, and I never see those increases in latency. I've had it where the ping to my gateway was greater than my ping to Chicago. Some times it will even show loss when there isn't.

    Every so often, it is correct, but it's normally a fleeting issue or at times crazy early in the morning, so I assume they're doing network maintenance.



  • My aunt lives on a farm in rural SD and, like you, has FTTF (farm) as I like to call it.  The disconnect between what she has for connectivity 8 miles from a town of 10,000 and what we have in a major metro area of 2+million people is completely backwards.



  • I've got a friend who lives about 1 mile past city limits, and has access to the exact same Internet as me. It is sad that the best places to get Internet is almost any place that doesn't have an incumbent ISP, including far far outside of cities and deep in the woods.

    My ISP is about as old as AT&T, so they kind of had their foot in the door, which allowed them to compete locally. It's also entirely owned by local people.



  • @KOM:

    Sheesh, I'm paying $65/m for 25/5.

    Sheesh, I'm paying $65/mo for 1000/1000.

    http://kxan.com/2014/02/09/grande-pushes-forward-in-austins-internet-speed-races/



  • I love how people on that link are saying stuff like "who cares about gig, no one can use it". That's the point, your Internet is so fast, that you can't use it all.



  • Ohhhhh - I'd love to have it but thats just not about to happen anywhere I'm running private use equipment.

    100Mbps Internet available to 59% of US, while gigabit still at just 3%

    Most of the places I'm concerned with max out at like 25/5

    And, no surprise here - I'm part of the small number of Americans (97%) who just have no access to gigabit internet at home.



  • You could move.



  • I get that alot…  )-:  haha

    (usually from neighbors)



  • @gonzopancho:

    You could move.

    HAHAHA! You forgot to put "/s"


  • Netgate Administrator

    @gonzopancho:

    I'm paying $65/mo for 1000/1000.

    That's surprisingly cheap. I guess there's a genuinely competitive market in Austin.

    I pay £25/m (~$38 at current rates) for 80/20 including a phone line that I don't use but am forced to take.

    Steve



  • Austin is one of those tiny specs on the map of the usa offering google fiber.

    Google has a big glass bowl full of the names of American cities.

    Every so often they stir it around, pick one at random and laugh at all the people living in cities not picked.

    Then they build it.

    Infrastructure by lottery.


  • Netgate Administrator

    Haha! System working well then.  ::)

    Steve



  • Yeah - Its the bomb…  We should handle bridges, water, telephone, electricity etc the same way.

    The USA still isn't treating internet like critical infrastructure.

    The government talks about it alot, but its still pretty much at the whim if ISPs as a function of pure profit.



  • @kejianshi:

    Yeah - Its the bomb…  We should handle bridges, water, telephone, electricity etc the same way.

    The USA still isn't treating internet like critical infrastructure.

    The government talks about it alot, but its still pretty much at the whim if ISPs as a function of pure profit.

    couldn't have said it better
    I have 3 different sources fiber in front of my house that unlimited money cant tap with no internet at my house I have to jump it from my dads with wireless and this is on a state highway that goes from coast to coast in the us
    and the internet available at dads isn't good but its all thats available through cable thats very over sold



  • I know what you mean….  haha



  • You can either complain about the situation, or move to where the situation is improving.

    pfSense HQ is in Austin.  IJS…



  • Austin?

    I guess I'll have to complain a while….



  • According to the new marketing literature, my 100Mb/100Mb "dedicated" connection is good for web hosting, but they don't list Ecommerce until 500Mb.

    I just ran a speed test with traffic shaping set to 950Mb and my bandwidth slowly oscillated between 96-98 according to a separate network graph and my ping to an internet server jumped up from 11ms to 23ms. Buffer bloat!

    My upload test oscillated between 97-98 and again my ping jumped from 11 to 23. Buffer bloat every where!

    I set my traffic shaping to 96Mb and now my ping remains a flat 11ms.

    Seems my ISP's self-hosted speedtest server seems to be not entirely up to the task. I get 1Mb higher to a New York test server that is 1,000 miles away.


  • Banned

    Use Google fiber and the state watches you everywhere :D