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    • ?
      Guest
      last edited by

      I have been messing with pfSense wireless pretty obsessively for the last half year but continue to learn new uses. I saw a post asking for Wireless ISP stuff in upcoming pfsense releases. I never knew this user base existed. Are they using internal radios?

      To my question for Anyone using an internal atheros device

      What is the max clients your wireless network has hosted?

      Where does it degrade?

      Does bandwith available divide evenly among users.
      ie… if 6megabytes/sec is max single client can achieve does it divide by each user?
      ie... 2 users=3mb/s????6 users=1mb/s and so on..

      Any -number of radios- to users rule of thumb?
      Thanks Frank

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        mikeisfly
        last edited by

        While I'm sure that user base exist, most people are just using external access points. Better range, configuration options, location, management, wireless technology support. My answer is based in pure speculation as I have not done a formal survey but an external access point just seems so much better. However I could be wrong that does happen from time to time.  8)

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          Guest
          last edited by

          Yes i was just dreaming there was some internal device i was overlooking.

          I am trying to build a wireless test bench with 5-6 clients and wanted to hear others real world numbers. I bought a bunch of broke laptops for cheap and been rehabbing them for testing. Need to do a bunch of Antenna upgrades to them before attempting to benchmark them. I am trying to see how it scales up.

          Anybody running wifi honeypot??

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          • DerelictD
            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
            last edited by

            Routinely have 150+ on a Ruckus 7372. WPA2.

            Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
            A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
            DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
            Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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              Guest
              last edited by

              Thanks Mr.D

              I see the Ruckus on fleabay @$350-400. Is there any additional fees/subscription required?

              Do you know what the POE voltage and wattage required is for the POE input?

              Why a gig-E port and 10/100 port. Is the slower just for admin features or both do uplink?

              RP-TNC for antennas?

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              • DerelictD
                Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                last edited by

                No.  The AP will run in standalone without any additional costs.  Though you lose the benefit of the controller.  (My example is representative of a single, controller-based AP so the controller benefit is minimal)

                Not sure why they chose 10/100 for the second port.  It's typically used to provide wired access where an AP is.  Not for management/uplink.

                I don't believe the APs require PoE+.  www.ruckuswireless.com will know for sure.

                All internal antennas.  Just run with it.  BeamFlex is pretty sweet.  The main concern is usually keeping co-channel signal from other APs, not propagating further.

                Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                • jahonixJ
                  jahonix
                  last edited by

                  @Phishfry:

                  Do you know what the POE voltage and wattage required is for the POE input?

                  It's all in the specs for everyone to read: http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/zoneflex-indoor/zoneflex-7372-7352#specs

                  • DC Input: 12 VDC 1.0A

                  • Power over Ethernet 802.3 af

                  Have a look at their R500 AP which does AC for the same money. Both are two-stream MIMO 2x2:2 devices

                  Make sure to read Ruckus' TechTalk section to understand what they are doing and why (pretty interesting!):
                  http://www.ruckuswireless.com/technology/beamflex
                  http://www.ruckuswireless.com/whitepapers

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                    Guest
                    last edited by

                    Kind of blown away with serving 150 connections with an internal antenna. Then only 7.5 watts@48V as well. Very impressive. So Cisco merkaki is a direct competitor?

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                    • ?
                      Guest
                      last edited by

                      I see they are using Atheros AR9160 inside this model:
                      http://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/3622/ruckus-zoneflex-7762-wireless-access-point-teardown

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                      • DerelictD
                        Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                        last edited by

                        @Phishfry:

                        Kind of blown away with serving 150 connections with an internal antenna. Then only 7.5 watts@48V as well. Very impressive. So Cisco merkaki is a direct competitor?

                        Not really.  ;)

                        Aruba maybe.

                        Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                        A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                        DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                        Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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                        • jahonixJ
                          jahonix
                          last edited by

                          Aruba was just bought by HP. Down they go…

                          Current ranking  (at least within the US and as far as I heard) currently is
                          #1 Aruba
                          #2 Cisco
                          #3 Ruckus

                          FWIW

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                            Guest
                            last edited by

                            Back to the topic. I have been researching this max internal Atheros radio users issue and can't find anything solid. One of the Atheros modules i recommend is an Apple Airport Extreme AR5BXB112 radio. When i look at Apples AP numbers they say 100 users. Do you think pfSense would work with that large a number as an access point? No conjecture please.

                            How could i test without 100 friends with laptops?

                            Maybe do a large gathering and setup a hotspot? Serving bandwidth would be cellular and not ideal with this method…

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                            • DerelictD
                              Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate
                              last edited by

                              pfSense DOES NOT CARE how many users are on an AP.  It's all layer 2.

                              You are simply crazy if you want to use wireless adapters in pfSense for all but the most pedestrian of Wi-Fi access.  Get an AP.

                              Regarding testing, you're getting to the numbers where if people expect it to work, and it doesn't, you look like an ass.

                              Your best bet would be to find a place where wi-fi isn't expected, advertise its availability, and give them something for their feedback.  Depends on how badly you really want to know how well it works.

                              I, personally, cannot see hanging a pfSense from the ceiling where a high-density AP belongs in all but the highest-density, open space scenarios.

                              Chattanooga, Tennessee, USA
                              A comprehensive network diagram is worth 10,000 words and 15 conference calls.
                              DO NOT set a source address/port in a port forward or firewall rule unless you KNOW you need it!
                              Do Not Chat For Help! NO_WAN_EGRESS(TM)

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