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      ubit
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      i added the wan2 interface on installation as OPT1 then rename it to WAN_Aux. i created a "Multiwan" group with both WAN to tied 1. then setup an ip monitor each and DNS then went to firewall Rules and set LAN gateway to Multiwan group. as this didn't work as i spected i've create 2 failover groups: tied 1 and tied 2 to for wan and wan_aux and then tied 2 and tied 1. i've setup again the LAN firewall rules and still didn't work.

      I've setup 5 production firewalls with pfsense 2.1.4 for different schools and never had a problem they have more tan a year working with none incident, so i tried to give it a chance to pfs 2.2.4 in my office but i've find some bugs like this one in Captive portal and the Multiwan issue.

      went to firewall rules, click on LAN select IPv4 *  then edit it and in advanced features i click the advanced button on gateway and select my multi wan group. but it's slower instead of faster.
      each wan has an 10mbps adsl but when i put it together it gives me 6mbps on my speedtest

      so if anybody can guide me to make my pfs 2.2.4 it would be great.

      My Configuration in on the imgs
      General.jpg
      General.jpg_thumb
      WAN.jpg
      WAN.jpg_thumb
      WAN_AUX01.jpg
      WAN_AUX01.jpg_thumb

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        Guest
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        each wan has an 10mbps adsl but when i put it together it gives me 6mbps on my speedtest

        The 10 MBit/s are of a theoretical nature! And if combine the both WAN line you will not be able to
        get something like 20 MBit/s!!!!!! You will be able to get 10 MBit/s + 10 MBit/s and then, now I mean
        you must be setting up a loadbalancing method in my eyes that is then delivering you bot, fail over
        and load balancing, without one line is even in spare mode and not use, like a real fail over line!

        so if anybody can guide me to make my pfs 2.2.4 it would be great.

        Now you have to decide what you want to use for a load balancing method.

        • policy based routing
        • session based routing
        • service based routing

        I consider and suggest to the policy based routing method in you case here.
        If one WAN is failing, the entire rest of traffic is going through the other WAN
        interface that is up. And if both are running up and fine the entire load will be
        balanced over two WAN lines.

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          dotdash
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          The gateway groups are either failover or round-robin. It's not going to magically bond your DSL's together, so you will only be using one at a time. Some download managers will use both lines, but a speedtest won't.
          Any hardware from this century should be able to handle 10Mb, so i would test again with a machine directly connected to the LAN interface, and again connected directly to the DSL equipment.

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            ubit
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            @dotdash:

            The gateway groups are either failover or round-robin. It's not going to magically bond your DSL's together, so you will only be using one at a time. Some download managers will use both lines, but a speedtest won't.
            Any hardware from this century should be able to handle 10Mb, so i would test again with a machine directly connected to the LAN interface, and again connected directly to the DSL equipment.

            if i test each line separated. the speed is between 10.1 to 10.53 on each. so i don't get why when i put them together it becomes slower.

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              tim.mcmanus
              last edited by

              Can you post some screen shots of your configuration?  Things like the gateway groups and your firewall rules?  This will help troubleshoot because while you've given some good high-level information, seeing the details will help.

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                ubit
                last edited by

                The 10 MBit/s are of a theoretical nature! And if combine the both WAN line you will not be able to
                get something like 20 MBit/s!!!!!! You will be able to get 10 MBit/s + 10 MBit/s and then, now I mean
                you must be setting up a loadbalancing method in my eyes that is then delivering you bot, fail over
                and load balancing, without one line is even in spare mode and not use, like a real fail over line!

                when i was on pfs 2.1.4 the speed was on 16mbps to 20.4mbps when i put them together, then i knew they were working fine.

                Now you have to decide what you want to use for a load balancing method.

                • policy based routing
                • session based routing
                • service based routing

                I consider and suggest to the policy based routing method in you case here.
                If one WAN is failing, the entire rest of traffic is going through the other WAN
                interface that is up. And if both are running up and fine the entire load will be
                balanced over two WAN lines.

                y believe the policy based routing is the best for my case… how can i setup that?

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                  ubit
                  last edited by

                  @tim.mcmanus:

                  Can you post some screen shots of your configuration?  Things like the gateway groups and your firewall rules?  This will help troubleshoot because while you've given some good high-level information, seeing the details will help.

                  i edited the post and add the screens…

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                    Guest
                    last edited by

                    if i test each line separated. the speed is between 10.1 to 10.53 on each.

                    But then also the entire load was going through one interface! If so and now you are
                    using two WAN lines, from the entire load goes only 50% through each WAN line.
                    Please don´t forget this.

                    so i don't get why when i put them together it becomes slower.

                    They will not be going slower, but on the other side please don`t expect that
                    10 + 10 = 20 this is not true!
                    10 + 10 = 10 + 10 this is true!!!!

                    Only over MLPPP (MPLS) you would be making 10 + 10 = 20 is coming true!
                    But there fore two main points must be given at first, the router or firewall must support this
                    and the ISP must also offering you this service otherwise it would be only 10 +10 = 10 + 10

                    But not really a problem if you are using policy based routing you would be able to use both
                    WAN interfaces for your set up and load balancing would be offering both, fail over and load
                    balance without the pain of one inactive WAN line.

                    y believe the policy based routing is the best for my case… how can i setup that?

                    This would be also what I really was thinking about your case, because you will not know how many
                    school kids are using the Internet service at the same time.

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                      cmb
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                      @ubit:

                      when i was on pfs 2.1.4 the speed was on 16mbps to 20.4mbps when i put them together, then i knew they were working fine.

                      No it wasn't. No single stream can exceed the speed of a single line.

                      Which speedtest are you trying? speedtest.net has changed to use multiple streams, but one stream at a time. If you load balance those out, you'll get unpredictable results at best.

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                        SuperSpy
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                        speedtest.net for me always stripes between lines simultaneously.  I regularly get 5+ Mbit on my pair of 3 Mbit DSL lines, both on the website, and the iOS app.  The dslreports.com speedtest does as well if you select multiple streams under custom.

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                          ubit
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                          @SuperSpy:

                          speedtest.net for me always stripes between lines simultaneously.  I regularly get 5+ Mbit on my pair of 3 Mbit DSL lines, both on the website, and the iOS app.  The dslreports.com speedtest does as well if you select multiple streams under custom.

                          ok. i tryed dslreports.com and the upload almost daouble other speedtest sites, but the download still the same 6mbps top. if i tryed each one apart it gives me this: WAN 10.1mbps/975kbps and the WAN_AUX01 10.08mbps/1mbps

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                            dotdash
                            last edited by

                            Please post you gateway group configuration, and the lan rules showing the gateway selection.

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                              ubit
                              last edited by

                              @dotdash:

                              Please post you gateway group configuration, and the lan rules showing the gateway selection.

                              There you have…

                              WAN_Group.jpg
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                                cmb
                                last edited by

                                @SuperSpy:

                                speedtest.net for me always stripes between lines simultaneously.  I regularly get 5+ Mbit on my pair of 3 Mbit DSL lines, both on the website, and the iOS app.  The dslreports.com speedtest does as well if you select multiple streams under custom.

                                It's very hit and miss in that regard from what I've seen. Sometimes nowhere near the capacity of either individual line, sometimes around the sum of the connection speeds divided by the number of connections.

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                                  dotdash
                                  last edited by

                                  I just did a test on speedtest.net and it gave me higher numbers than the total of my lines combined.
                                  I stand corrected in that it now uses multiple lines, but it doesn't seem to be very accurate.

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                                    ubit
                                    last edited by

                                    @dotdash:

                                    I just did a test on speedtest.net and it gave me higher numbers than the total of my lines combined.
                                    I stand corrected in that it now uses multiple lines, but it doesn't seem to be very accurate.

                                    well, watch this!

                                    you can see 20.83 Download speed… but check the WANs

                                    multiwan.jpg
                                    multiwan.jpg_thumb

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                                      tim.mcmanus
                                      last edited by

                                      I'm not sure if that version had the graphing bug, which is what you are seeing. One graph would report a speed and the other graph would report 2x the speed. It should be a consistent 2x.

                                      That graphing bug was subsequently fixed.

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                                        ubit
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                                        @BlueKobold:

                                        each wan has an 10mbps adsl but when i put it together it gives me 6mbps on my speedtest

                                        The 10 MBit/s are of a theoretical nature! And if combine the both WAN line you will not be able to
                                        get something like 20 MBit/s!!!!!! You will be able to get 10 MBit/s + 10 MBit/s and then, now I mean
                                        you must be setting up a loadbalancing method in my eyes that is then delivering you bot, fail over
                                        and load balancing, without one line is even in spare mode and not use, like a real fail over line!

                                        so if anybody can guide me to make my pfs 2.2.4 it would be great.

                                        Now you have to decide what you want to use for a load balancing method.

                                        • policy based routing
                                        • session based routing
                                        • service based routing

                                        I consider and suggest to the policy based routing method in you case here.
                                        If one WAN is failing, the entire rest of traffic is going through the other WAN
                                        interface that is up. And if both are running up and fine the entire load will be
                                        balanced over two WAN lines.

                                        Ok… 88 day after made this post i found the solution, so i post it here. the was a problem with one of the lines. as soon as my ISP repaired it i got my 20mb back...

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                                          akifnaeem
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                                          hi ubit,

                                          Hope you and ur pfsense fine… :)

                                          i m newbie to Pfsense word. my network topology consist of 1LAN and 2WAN, i am having same issue of slow speed and some times even no traffic pass through WAN2, please guide me about rules for both WAN1 and WAN2, also confirm are able to balance load, with existing configuration,(as of attached PIcs...)also can you please give me favour to ping me on my email if you can spare some time for me....akifnaeem21@yahoo.com..

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                                            ubit
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                                            @akifnaeem:

                                            hi ubit,

                                            Hope you and ur pfsense fine… :)

                                            i m newbie to Pfsense word. my network topology consist of 1LAN and 2WAN, i am having same issue of slow speed and some times even no traffic pass through WAN2, please guide me about rules for both WAN1 and WAN2, also confirm are able to balance load, with existing configuration,(as of attached PIcs...)also can you please give me favour to ping me on my email if you can spare some time for me....akifnaeem21@yahoo.com..

                                            hi, i would love to help you…
                                            can you tell me this:
                                            both wans are from the same ISP?
                                            if you test both wans separately whats each bandwidht??

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