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      sysadminfromhell @netblues
      last edited by

      @netblues hi there, thanks for the reply.
      Still the same result:

      Connecting to host 192.168.178.1, port 5201
      [  4] local 192.168.178.110 port 64268 connected to 192.168.178.1 port 5201
      [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
      [  4]   0.00-1.00   sec  66.5 MBytes  0.56 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   1.00-2.00   sec  70.5 MBytes  0.59 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   2.00-3.00   sec  69.1 MBytes  0.58 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   3.00-4.00   sec  67.8 MBytes  0.57 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   4.00-5.00   sec  66.5 MBytes  0.56 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   5.00-6.00   sec  68.5 MBytes  0.57 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   6.00-7.00   sec  65.1 MBytes  0.55 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   7.00-8.00   sec  67.9 MBytes  0.57 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   8.00-9.00   sec  65.5 MBytes  0.55 Gbits/sec
      [  4]   9.00-10.00  sec  66.9 MBytes  0.56 Gbits/sec
      - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
      [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
      [  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   674 MBytes  0.57 Gbits/sec                  sender
      [  4]   0.00-10.00  sec   674 MBytes  0.57 Gbits/sec                  receiver
      
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      • stephenw10S
        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
        last edited by

        What Atom CPU is that? 600Mbps might be it's limit when testing to/from the firewall directly. Running iperf takes a lot of CPU cycles, it's always better to test through the firewall between two other hosts.

        Steve

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          sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
          last edited by sysadminfromhell

          @stephenw10 thanks for your reply.

          now its getting really weird:

          [  4] local 192.168.178.110 port 58111 connected to 172.16.24.101 port 5201
          [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
          [  4]   0.00-1.01   sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   1.01-2.01   sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   2.01-3.01   sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   3.01-4.01   sec   128 KBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   4.01-5.00   sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   5.00-6.01   sec   384 KBytes  3.13 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   6.01-7.01   sec   256 KBytes  2.09 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   7.01-8.01   sec   256 KBytes  2.09 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   8.01-9.00   sec   384 KBytes  3.18 Mbits/sec
          [  4]   9.00-10.00  sec   128 KBytes  1.05 Mbits/sec
          - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
          [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
          [  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  2.88 MBytes  2.41 Mbits/sec                  sender
          [  4]   0.00-10.00  sec  2.64 MBytes  2.21 Mbits/sec                  receiver
          
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            sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
            last edited by

            @stephenw10 said in Installing pfSense on XG105Rev3:

            What Atom CPU is that? 600Mbps might be it's limit when testing to/from the firewall directly. Running iperf takes a lot of CPU cycles, it's always better to test through the firewall between two other hosts.

            Steve

            its a Intel(R) Atom(TM) Processor E3930 @ 1.30GHz

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              sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
              last edited by

              @stephenw10 i checked speedtest on both PCs (Linux Servers) in the Subnet 172.16.24.0/24:

                 Speedtest by Ookla
                   
                        Server: Contabo - Dusseldorf (id = 35154)
                   
                           ISP: Deutsche Telekom AG
                   
                       Latency:     5.59 ms   (0.13 ms jitter)
                   
                      Download:    86.83 Mbps (data used: 85.5 MB )
                   
                        Upload:    28.84 Mbps (data used: 21.3 MB )
                   
                   Packet Loss: Not available.
              
                 Speedtest by Ookla
              
                   Server: Contabo - Dusseldorf (id = 35154)
                      ISP: Deutsche Telekom AG
                  Latency:    18.87 ms   (0.57 ms jitter)
                 Download:    87.27 Mbps (data used: 42.6 MB )
                   Upload:    29.15 Mbps (data used: 14.6 MB )
              Packet Loss: Not available.
              

              Also on my PC in 192.168.178.0/24:
              cc478653-793f-468a-85a3-51245c2a9f73-image.png

              The routing between the networks just seems slow.

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                sysadminfromhell @sysadminfromhell
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                @sysadminfromhell
                i Guess we're done here because:

                iPerf from 192.168.178.0/24 -> 172.16.24.0/24 (Proxmox hosts) = slow
                iPerf from 172.16.24.0/24 -> 192.168.178,0/24 (Clients) => fast
                iPerf from 172.16.24.0/24 -> 172.16.24.0/24 = fast
                i reset the Switch and see what happens. Maybe sometimes this helps.

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                  sysadminfromhell @sysadminfromhell
                  last edited by

                  @sysadminfromhell
                  and were back in, i connected my windows PC directly to the PFsense and get this:

                  -----------------------------------------------------------
                  Server listening on 5201
                  -----------------------------------------------------------
                  Accepted connection from 192.168.178.2, port 53372
                  [  5] local 172.16.24.5 port 5201 connected to 192.168.178.2 port 53373
                  [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                  [  5]   0.00-1.01   sec  6.50 MBytes  54.1 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   1.01-2.00   sec  6.25 MBytes  52.8 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   2.00-3.01   sec  5.62 MBytes  46.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   3.01-4.00   sec  6.25 MBytes  52.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   4.00-5.01   sec  5.62 MBytes  47.0 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   5.01-6.00   sec  6.38 MBytes  53.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   6.00-7.01   sec  6.12 MBytes  50.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   7.01-8.00   sec  6.12 MBytes  51.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   8.00-9.01   sec  6.50 MBytes  54.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   9.01-10.00  sec  6.25 MBytes  52.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  11.00-12.00  sec  6.62 MBytes  55.7 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  12.00-13.01  sec  6.50 MBytes  53.8 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  13.01-14.01  sec  6.25 MBytes  52.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  14.01-15.01  sec  6.50 MBytes  54.3 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  15.01-16.01  sec  6.75 MBytes  56.3 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  16.01-17.01  sec  5.62 MBytes  47.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  17.01-18.01  sec  6.88 MBytes  57.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  18.01-19.00  sec  6.75 MBytes  56.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  19.00-20.00  sec  6.75 MBytes  56.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  20.00-21.01  sec  6.75 MBytes  56.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  21.01-22.01  sec  7.00 MBytes  58.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  22.01-23.00  sec  7.00 MBytes  59.2 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  23.00-24.00  sec  7.00 MBytes  58.7 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  24.00-25.01  sec  7.25 MBytes  60.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  25.01-26.01  sec  7.38 MBytes  62.2 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  26.01-27.00  sec  7.50 MBytes  63.2 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  27.00-28.01  sec  2.50 MBytes  20.8 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  28.01-29.00  sec  6.88 MBytes  58.3 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  29.00-30.00  sec  7.62 MBytes  63.7 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  30.00-30.01  sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec
                  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                  [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                  [  5]   0.00-30.01  sec   194 MBytes  54.1 Mbits/sec                  sender
                  [  5]   0.00-30.01  sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec                  receiver
                  -----------------------------------------------------------
                  Server listening on 5201
                  -----------------------------------------------------------
                  iperf3: interrupt - the server has terminated
                  PS C:\Users\Andre\Downloads\iperf-3.1.3-win64> .\iperf3.exe -s
                  -----------------------------------------------------------
                  Server listening on 5201
                  -----------------------------------------------------------
                  Accepted connection from 192.168.178.2, port 53377
                  [  5] local 172.16.24.5 port 5201 connected to 192.168.178.2 port 53378
                  [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                  [  5]   0.00-1.01   sec  3.62 MBytes  30.2 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   1.01-2.00   sec  7.62 MBytes  64.3 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   2.00-3.00   sec  7.00 MBytes  58.5 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   3.00-4.00   sec  7.75 MBytes  65.0 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   4.00-5.00   sec  7.62 MBytes  63.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   5.00-6.01   sec  7.50 MBytes  62.7 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   6.01-7.01   sec  8.00 MBytes  67.3 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   7.01-8.00   sec  8.00 MBytes  67.5 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   8.00-9.00   sec  8.12 MBytes  67.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]   9.00-10.00  sec  8.00 MBytes  67.3 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  10.00-11.01  sec  8.25 MBytes  68.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  11.01-12.00  sec  8.50 MBytes  71.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  12.00-13.01  sec  8.62 MBytes  71.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  13.01-14.00  sec  8.62 MBytes  73.0 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  14.00-15.00  sec  8.88 MBytes  74.5 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  15.00-16.00  sec  8.88 MBytes  74.5 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  16.00-17.00  sec  9.12 MBytes  76.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  17.00-18.00  sec  9.38 MBytes  78.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  18.00-19.01  sec  8.62 MBytes  72.0 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  19.01-20.01  sec  9.38 MBytes  78.5 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  20.01-21.00  sec  9.50 MBytes  80.4 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  21.00-22.01  sec  9.50 MBytes  79.5 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  22.01-23.00  sec  9.50 MBytes  79.7 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  23.00-24.00  sec  9.62 MBytes  81.0 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  24.00-25.00  sec  10.0 MBytes  83.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  25.00-26.01  sec  10.1 MBytes  84.8 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  26.01-27.01  sec  10.2 MBytes  85.8 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  27.01-28.00  sec  10.5 MBytes  88.6 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  28.00-29.00  sec  10.5 MBytes  88.1 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  29.00-30.00  sec  10.8 MBytes  89.9 Mbits/sec
                  [  5]  30.00-30.01  sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec
                  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                  [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                  [  5]   0.00-30.01  sec   262 MBytes  73.2 Mbits/sec                  sender
                  [  5]   0.00-30.01  sec  0.00 Bytes  0.00 bits/sec                  receiver
                  

                  Some somehow the port is slow?

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                    sysadminfromhell @sysadminfromhell
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                    @sysadminfromhell
                    i changed a few things in the /boot/loader.conf as mentioned in a different Post with a Intel i211 NIC:

                    kern.cam.boot_delay=10000
                    # agree with Intel license terms
                    legal.intel_ipw.license_ack=1
                    legal.intel_iwi.license_ack=1
                    # This is the magic. If you don't set this, queues won't be utilized properly.
                    # Allow multiple processes for receive/transmit processing.
                    hw.igb.0.rx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.0.tx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.1.rx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.1.tx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.2.rx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.2.tx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.3.rx_process_limit="-1"
                    hw.igb.3.tx_process_limit="-1"
                    #net.pf.states_hashsize=2097152
                    hw.igb.0.rxd=4096
                    hw.igb.0.txd=4096
                    hw.igb.1.rxd=4096
                    hw.igb.1.txd=4096
                    hw.igb.2.rxd=4096
                    hw.igb.2.txd=4096
                    hw.igb.3.rxd=4096
                    hw.igb.3.txd=4096
                    #net.inet.tcp.syncache.hashsize="1024"
                    #net.inet.tcp.syncache.bucketlimit="100"
                    kern.ipc.nmbclusters="1000000"
                    kern.ipc.nmbjumbop="524288"
                    kern.ipc.nmbjumbo9="524288"
                    autoboot_delay="3"
                    net.link.ifqmaxlen="128"
                    

                    but this didnt change a thing (maybe outdated?)
                    I updated to 2.6.0 (2.6.0.r.20220124.1828) as someone mentioned better beformance with Nic I211 as in the XG105Rev3.

                    But at all the performance between the interfaces remains slow.
                    I mean in one way (igb1->igb2) the other way seems okay.
                    Whats weird is, that when i iperf3 agains the IP of igb2 its also slow. So the Routing between igb1->igb2 seems to be slow.

                    maybe someone has an idea in part of "Intel Nic I211" or something, I dont know :(

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                      last edited by

                      Mmm, well I'd expect at least 600Mbps from that. Try running top -aSH at the same time and see if one of the cores is maxed out.

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                        sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
                        last edited by

                        @stephenw10
                        Hi there, thanks for the reply, I tried that but the cpu is not maxing out. It sticks at around 20% while the test is running

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                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @sysadminfromhell
                          last edited by

                          On both cores?

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                            sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
                            last edited by

                            @stephenw10
                            Hi there, will check this again soon but yes afaik it was on both cores 20% usage.

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                            • stephenw10S
                              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                              last edited by

                              Hmm, I would expect more usage than that on that CPU at 600Mbps.

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                                sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
                                last edited by

                                @stephenw10 hi there i checked again and I am at 91%. sorry for the misinformation around there.

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                                  sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
                                  last edited by

                                  @stephenw10 but the main problem remains: why is the network speed between 2 networks (2 nics) so slow?
                                  when i check iperf3 from igb1(192.168.178.0/24) to igb2(172.16.24.0/24) its super super slow (3,1 MBit/s) and the CPU usage on the pfSense is low (about 5%, peek to 20/25%).
                                  Is there something i can do/tune/change in the setup?

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                                  • stephenw10S
                                    stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                    last edited by

                                    That sort of throttling is almost certainly one of the NICs not linked correctly. When you see less that 100Mbps on what should be a Gigabit link it's usually because the autonegotiation has failed and something is running at the fallback default of 100M half-duplex. So check the ifconfig output on pfSense and check the link speed at each host.

                                    Steve

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                                      sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
                                      last edited by sysadminfromhell

                                      @stephenw10 i forced it via pfsense to 1000Tbase Full duplex but still the same issue:

                                      Connecting to host 172.16.24.100, port 5201
                                      [  4] local 192.168.178.110 port 52362 connected to 172.16.24.100 port 5201
                                      [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                                      [  4]   0.00-1.01   sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   1.01-2.00   sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   2.00-3.01   sec   128 KBytes  1.04 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   3.01-4.00   sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   4.00-5.01   sec   512 KBytes  4.16 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   5.01-6.00   sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   6.00-7.01   sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   7.01-8.00   sec   128 KBytes  1.06 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   8.00-9.01   sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]   9.01-10.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  10.01-11.01  sec   512 KBytes  4.16 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  11.01-12.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  12.01-13.02  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  13.02-14.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  14.01-15.00  sec   512 KBytes  4.22 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  15.00-16.01  sec   640 KBytes  5.20 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  16.01-17.00  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  17.00-18.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  18.01-19.00  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  19.00-20.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  20.01-21.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  21.00-22.01  sec   512 KBytes  4.16 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  22.01-23.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  23.01-24.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  24.01-25.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  25.01-26.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  26.00-27.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  27.01-28.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  28.00-29.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  29.01-30.00  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  30.00-31.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  31.01-32.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  32.00-33.01  sec   512 KBytes  4.16 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  33.01-34.00  sec   512 KBytes  4.22 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  34.00-35.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  35.01-36.01  sec   128 KBytes  1.06 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  36.01-37.01  sec   128 KBytes  1.04 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  37.01-38.01  sec   640 KBytes  5.28 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  38.01-39.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  39.00-40.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  40.01-41.00  sec   512 KBytes  4.22 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  41.00-42.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  42.01-43.00  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  43.00-44.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.12 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  44.01-45.00  sec   512 KBytes  4.22 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  45.00-46.01  sec   640 KBytes  5.20 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  46.01-47.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  47.01-48.01  sec   128 KBytes  1.04 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  48.01-49.01  sec   640 KBytes  5.28 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  49.01-50.00  sec   256 KBytes  2.10 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  50.00-51.01  sec   384 KBytes  3.13 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  51.01-52.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  52.00-53.01  sec   256 KBytes  2.08 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  53.01-54.00  sec   128 KBytes  1.06 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  54.00-55.01  sec   512 KBytes  4.16 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  55.01-56.00  sec   384 KBytes  3.17 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  56.00-57.01  sec   640 KBytes  5.20 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  57.01-58.00  sec   256 KBytes  2.11 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  58.00-59.01  sec   512 KBytes  4.16 Mbits/sec
                                      [  4]  59.01-60.01  sec   128 KBytes  1.06 Mbits/sec
                                      - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
                                      [ ID] Interval           Transfer     Bandwidth
                                      [  4]   0.00-60.01  sec  21.1 MBytes  2.95 Mbits/sec                  sender
                                      [  4]   0.00-60.01  sec  21.0 MBytes  2.93 Mbits/sec                  receiver
                                      

                                      EDIT: all my hosts are at 1GBit (1000M) the whole time. My switches even say, that the Uplink to the router (pfsense) is 1000M. I forced it but still no change.

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                                        netblues @sysadminfromhell
                                        last edited by

                                        @sysadminfromhell Well, have you checked the obvious?
                                        Cables/patch cords.
                                        There isn't much to tune in any case and intel cards and pfsense are considered perfect matches

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                                        • stephenw10S
                                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                          last edited by

                                          Hmm, was anything forced before? Forcing the link speed is usually the cause of these problems. Gigabit Ethernet requires autoselect

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                                            sysadminfromhell @stephenw10
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                                            @stephenw10 no nothing was forced before.

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