hacking SSID

johnpoz · Apr 11, 2022, 3:37 PM

It turns out that the neighbor has been hacking my SSID

And how do you know this exactly?? No offense but have seen users saying their neighbor is hacking them because they see the SSID in their phone list.. Or listed as a neighboring AP, etc.

Also just because your set as WPA2, what is the psk? It should be strong... Ie some 12+ or even say 20ish what amounts to random characters P@55word is not a good psk for example.

This would be a good psk ;)

5pp6ZH@DSccetrWvbhj#

Your ssid should also be unique, and not just the default linksys for example..

NogBadTheBad · Apr 11, 2022, 3:39 PM

@johnpoz

If one of my AP died currently - not really sure what I would replace with... Not a fan of any of their current wifi 6 devices... Might have to look elsewhere if had to replace mine currently..

I had a play with a couple of Aruba Instant APs 345 ( not the InstantOn one I run at home ) was very impressed with the abillity to use one of the APs as the controller as well as an AP.

johnpoz · Apr 11, 2022, 3:41 PM

@nogbadthebad shoot just looking and the 340 series supports 2.5 and they are only wifi 5 AP...

Not sure WTF unifi thinking about sticking with gig on their latest wifi 6 models..

bingo600 · Apr 11, 2022, 4:59 PM

@johnpoz
I don't have a single WiFi-6 device at home.
Unless my new ATV4 4K (Gen-6) can do it (got it today) it's PDS linked by the way.

I'm still using the C2702i's i got for $42 a piece, they're still doing fine here. Most of my "static stuff" is on PDS-Cable anyway.

I didn't even look at the Ubi WiFi-6 specs , just expected them to do as good as with the AC-PRO's ...

But i agree strange with claiming multi Gbit WiFi and not being able to link it downwards.

Even the C2702i's have an additional Gbit port for matching the WiFi capacity , if you "really want to" ...

Edit : Seems like i just got a WiFi-6 device
https://www.apple.com/apple-tv-4k/specs/

802.11ax Wi‑Fi 6 with MIMO;

And my only WiFi-6 deivce is on cable

stephenw10 · Apr 11, 2022, 4:02 PM

I've yet to see a good use case for .11ax personally. Maybe if you really need much shorter range (at 6GHz), for.... reasons

But not much you can do with that AP security wise if you can't even flash it OpenWRT.

You can isolate it from your network in pfSense. Just assume it's compromised.

Steve

bingo600 · Apr 11, 2022, 4:33 PM

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johnpoz · Apr 11, 2022, 4:50 PM

@stephenw10 said in hacking SSID:

I've yet to see a good use case for .11ax personally

I would concur with the "personally" aspect.. AX does allow for more density of clients while providing higher bandwidth to the clients overall.

I think where you would see most bang for the buck is in environment where you have a bunch of clients that all support ax.. Say for example work setup where all the wifi devices (phones, tablets, laptops) all can do AX.. The QAM moves to 1024, or can - etc. and OFDMA all huge benefits for network with more clients per AP, etc. And MU-MIMO, etc. etc.. Lets not forget HEW as well..

There are for sure many new advantages with wifi 6 to be sure..

But in a home setup or a smb - prob not going to get you much. But users can be obsessed with a benchmark that quite often is meaningless - for example My phone now can see 600mbps per sec vs 400mbps when doing a benchmark on my home wifi, when they are checking email and watching some tiktok video's on it - and 50mbps would more than they would ever need, etc. ;)

I would love to have a good AX AP to play with for sure - but can not justify it as a "play" thing when I have 1 AX capable devices on my network currently ;) My work iphone 13 heheh.. Hey when I get my new work laptop here shortly - I will have 2 ;)

but my work laptop will sit on my desk with a wire - so still really only 1 ax device, hahah

stephenw10 · Apr 11, 2022, 5:02 PM

Exactly! Not even close to the device density where the advantages come into play. The number of times I have to transfer a lot of data locally is just insignificant. I can't justify spending the money. Much as I'd like to.

JKnott · Apr 11, 2022, 5:40 PM

@aledio said in hacking SSID:

tp link TL-WA801ND

I have one of those and it has problems because TP-Link doesn't understand VLANs. If you suspect someone has broken WPA2 (do you have proof?), then replace your password with a strong one. I get mine from www.grc.com and use a 63 character random string.
I replaced the TP-Link with a Unifi AC-Lite AP, which not only works properly with VLANs, but also supports 5 GHz.

JKnott · Apr 11, 2022, 5:45 PM

@johnpoz said in hacking SSID:

This would be a good psk ;)
5pp6ZH@DSccetrWvbhj#

I uses ones like this:
BTTD7f21Zu1hLx0LwYwthJLUfJFj9rtKX696npf0jHlak8JryFpzGYqFRaLBghC

JKnott · Apr 11, 2022, 5:46 PM

@nogbadthebad said in hacking SSID:

I had a play with a couple of Aruba Instant APs 345 ( not the InstantOn one I run at home ) was very impressed with the abillity to use one of the APs as the controller as well as an AP.

With Cisco, dumb APs connect to a controller running on a switch.

johnpoz · Apr 11, 2022, 7:15 PM

@stephenw10 said in hacking SSID:

The number of times I have to transfer a lot of data locally is just insignificant

If I was moving significant data locally - I would use a wire ;) heheh even if my laptop supported AX... Sorry while AX is cool and all, and hey speeds are getting pretty impressive to be sure.

Not going to beat a wire, my wire can do 2.5.. If my wifi could do 2.5, then my wire would be able to do 10, etc..

Wire is always going to trump wireless.. It will always be the right bower, if any Euchre players about ;)

akuma1x · Apr 11, 2022, 7:27 PM

@jknott said in hacking SSID:

I uses ones like this:
BTTD7f21Zu1hLx0LwYwthJLUfJFj9rtKX696npf0jHlak8JryFpzGYqFRaLBghC

Oops, not good enough, no symbols...

JKnott · Apr 11, 2022, 7:40 PM

@akuma1x said in hacking SSID:

Oops, not good enough, no symbols...

TfffXxEe;BJ0+Tu'k^(T}/U:s2er5WhC!MC@GHC]Hc(yC}oa<p1mqz5OmCo&z_

bingo600 · Apr 11, 2022, 7:48 PM

@jknott said in hacking SSID:

With Cisco, dumb APs connect to a controller running on a switch.

I didn't want Cisco to decide when my 2702i's should be obsoleted, so i am on Autonomous not Lite/CapWAP.

No biggie for me .... I was using them before "Lite".
And i just have 5 active AP's @home / summerhouse.

I even have an old C1242 doing 54Mb coverage in the garden via an ext antenna (have no C2702E's) , works fine for light browsing & a web-radio.

MoonKnight · Apr 11, 2022, 7:48 PM

@jknott

I think you are safe for some time

bingo600 · Apr 11, 2022, 7:51 PM

@ciscox
And 10min with (when) enough QBIT's

SteveITS · Apr 11, 2022, 7:52 PM

@akuma1x said in hacking SSID:

no symbols

Character 47 is nonprintable? Maybe? While more secure those are definitely harder to manually put into a TV or something without a keyboard or copy/paste. I have a bit of ASCII art as my SSID and found once it's rather annoying to enter manually.

@Aledio per https://www.tp-link.com/us/user-guides/tl-wa801n_v6/chapter-3-customize-your-network#ug-sub-title-5 that model has Wireless MAC Filtering so you can block the MAC address, or as noted if they start changing MACs you can allow just your devices' MACs.

@CiscoX said:

I think you are safe for some time

yes well now he's posted it for us. :)

JKnott · Apr 11, 2022, 8:15 PM

@bingo600 said in hacking SSID:

I didn't want Cisco to decide when my 2702i's should be obsoleted, so i am on Autonomous not Lite/CapWAP

It would be nice if more APs went with a central controller. With 802.11r you still have to disconnect and reconnect as you move between APs. With the Cisco central controller, you connect to it, instead of the APs, which become little more than bridges.

JKnott · Apr 11, 2022, 8:18 PM

@steveits said in hacking SSID:

While more secure those are definitely harder to manually put into a TV or something without a keyboard or copy/paste.

My Sharp/Roku TV won't accept 63 characters. It chokes somewhere after 40 or so. So, it's on my guest WiFi, which has a much shorter password than my main SSID.