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      dhenzler @johnpoz
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      @johnpoz
      Thank you John... I'll give that a try. I did see wheree sftp was preferred. And I use that extensively elsewhere. Just port 22 instead of 21.

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @dhenzler
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        @dhenzler said in FTP for WordPress - How ?:

        Just port 22 instead of 21.

        True - but 21 is just the control port. With ftp there is also the data channel, and the direction that this connection is made from is determined be active or passive. This is where the problem comes in with nats, especially if on both ends, etc. etc..

        In ftp the username and password is sent int he clear over the control channel.

        Sftp is much simpler to use across natting firewalls for sure since its just the 1 port (normally 22) for both auth and data transfer and everything is encrypted through this connection.

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            dhenzler @johnpoz
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            @johnpoz
            have new other problem...

            Filter Reload -- what do I do ?

            There were error(s) loading the rules: /tmp/rules.debug:22: cannot define table pfB_Top_v4: Cannot allocate memory - The line in question reads [22]: table <pfB_Top_v4> persist file "/var/db/aliastables/pfB_Top_v4.txt"
            @ 2022-04-25 15:37:59
            There were error(s) loading the rules: /tmp/rules.debug:22: cannot define table pfB_Top_v4: Cannot allocate memory - The line in question reads [22]: table <pfB_Top_v4> persist file "/var/db/aliastables/pfB_Top_v4.txt"
            @ 2022-04-25 15:43:43
            There were error(s) loading the rules: /tmp/rules.debug:22: cannot define table pfB_Top_v4: Cannot allocate memory - The line in question reads [22]: table <pfB_Top_v4> persist file "/var/db/aliastables/pfB_Top_v4.txt"
            @ 2022-04-25 15:45:18
            
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              johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @dhenzler
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              @dhenzler that is related to table size - bump it up..

              tables.jpg

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                dhenzler @johnpoz
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                Will resume the FTP issues later...
                just did it... we'll see. Hopefully I don't have to do more

                The error message I got was from a failed attempt to load ntopng from command line. It loaded, but didn't show up in Installed packages. Then got a error message:

                Apr 25 12:42:04 php-fpm 56175 /rc.filter_configure_sync: New alert found: There were error(s) loading the rules: /tmp/rules.debug:17: cannot define table bogons: Cannot allocate memory - The line in question reads [17]: table <bogons> persist file "/etc/bogons"

                Just got my pfSense up and running well yesterday. Thankfully a backup saved me I think... maybe some lefotvers in the database. Ugh !

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                  SteveITS Galactic Empire @dhenzler
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                  @dhenzler How much RAM is installed, and used/free per the dashboard? Advice here from long ago for pfBlocker was to use a minimum of 2 million table entries, or double the default, whichever was higher. Though, note pfSense has a bug that "on this system the default size is" is whatever was saved in the field, so it's not really valid after it's been adjusted once.

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @SteveITS
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                    @steveits said in FTP for WordPress - How ?:

                    is whatever was saved in the field, so it's not really valid after it's been adjusted once.

                    Yeah very true - 1.6mil sure isn't the default ;) Which is what mine shows. I had set that.

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                        dhenzler @SteveITS
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                        @steveits

                        Being cautious I ran freebsd-version first thinking an update meant for 13 would certainly cause havoc. It's 12.2
                        But no sooner was it up and running that I discovered I couldn't control it from within pfSense.
                        deleted the packages carefully
                        oh well ! live n learn

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                          dhenzler @SteveITS
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                          @steveits

                          I built my system on a DL360pGen8 with one e5-2650L & 16G memory. Four 73G drives in RAID6 yeilding a pair of 146G mirrored. I figured that things might get used up if I tried to start small. I have plenty of power and the system is just another DL380 in the rack...20220421_233201.jpg247608cf-1782-4082-835f-41001672ed25-image.png

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                            SteveITS Galactic Empire @dhenzler
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                            @dhenzler 16 GB is plenty so it's very likely the table size limit per the above. If you still have issues you can go to Diagnostics/Tables and try to add up the counts of each table but you could also just increase the limit as shown. I suspect the limit is just meant to block a runaway process or crazy list usage from exhausting RAM.

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                              dhenzler @SteveITS
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                              @steveits

                              Got the system working again, but had to turn off pfBlockerNG 😢 It was working yesterday, but the episode with trying to load a version not on the list must have left some scars.

                              My system cannot get duckduckgo.com when it's operating. I've reviewed the Geo lists and tried disabling some of the countries in addition to disabling US and no good has come from those efforts. I have a previous save that was working and won't now. I suppose I could blow the whole thing off and start over. I might !

                              Frustrating.. !🤕

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                                dhenzler @dhenzler
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                                this works...

                                UPDATE PROCESS START [ v3.1.0_4 ] [ 04/25/22 23:24:42 ]

                                ===[ DNSBL Process ]================================================

                                Loading DNSBL Statistics... completed
                                Loading DNSBL SafeSearch... disabled
                                Loading DNSBL Whitelist... completed

                                [ StevenBlack_ADs ] exists.

                                ===[ GeoIP Process ]============================================

                                [ pfB_Top_v4 ] exists. [ 04/25/22 23:24:44 ]
                                [ pfB_Top_v6 ] exists. [ 04/25/22 23:24:45 ]

                                ===[ IPv4 Process ]=================================================

                                [ Abuse_Feodo_C2_v4 ] exists.
                                [ Abuse_SSLBL_v4 ] exists.
                                [ CINS_army_v4 ] exists.
                                [ ET_Block_v4 ] exists.
                                [ ET_Comp_v4 ] exists.
                                [ ISC_Block_v4 ] exists.
                                [ Spamhaus_Drop_v4 ] exists.
                                [ Spamhaus_eDrop_v4 ] exists.
                                [ Talos_BL_v4 ] exists.

                                ===[ Aliastables / Rules ]==========================================

                                No changes to Firewall rules, skipping Filter Reload
                                No Changes to Aliases, Skipping pfctl Update

                                UPDATE PROCESS ENDED

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                                  dhenzler @dhenzler
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                                  @dhenzler

                                  Now -- Back to making some kind of FTP work on Wordpress for updating Plugins 597b9fd1-6a82-4f52-babd-98b49049975b-image.png

                                  I am not sending in to Wordpress, it requests info from The Great OZ on the Internet !

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                                    dhenzler @dhenzler
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                                    More confused than ever...

                                    Client Behind pfSense

                                    FTPS, or encrypted FTP, is not affected. The proxy could not have affected its traffic before.

                                    A client on a LAN or other internal interface behind a pfSense firewall will likely not notice any difference. Most clients, aside from the Microsoft command line FTP program, default to passive (PASV) FTP, where clients make outbound connections to servers.

                                    Passive mode on the client will require access to random/high ports outbound, which could run afoul of a strict outbound ruleset. Environments with a security policy that requires strict outbound firewall rules likely would not be using FTP anyhow, as it transmits credentials without encryption.

                                    Active mode FTP through NAT will not function as that relies on a proxy or similar mechanism. Use Passive mode instead. Another option is the recently added FTP Client Proxy package which leverages in FreeBSD to allow clients on local interfaces to reach remote FTP servers with active FTP.

                                    Active mode FTP for a client that does not involve NAT (Client has a public IP address) should work so long as WAN rules pass the appropriate traffic back to the client. The client may have a configurable active port range to make that simpler.
                                    Server Behind pfSense

                                    FTPS, or encrypted FTP, is not affected. The proxy could not have affected its traffic before.

                                    A server behind pfSense would work fine with active mode, there would be no difference here. In active mode the server would make outbound connections back to the client, so as long as the firewall rules on the interface containing the server allow outbound connections, it will work.

                                    A server behind pfSense running in Passive mode will function but requires a few items to be configured:

                                    Port forwards or 1:1 NAT to forward not only port 21, but also the passive port range in to the server
                                    
                                    The passive port range must be configured on the server, corresponding to the range of ports forwarded in the previous step.
                                    
                                    The server may also need to be configured to account for NAT. Some clients will ignore private addresses in passive responses so this may not be necessary.
                                    

                                    Sample Configuration for vsftpd

                                    In vsftpd.conf:

                                    Do not allow the client to use PORT

                                    port_enable=NO

                                    Use the hostname in the PASV response (DNS must be setup and match!)

                                    pasv_addr_resolve=YES

                                    Enable Passive Mode

                                    pasv_enable=YES

                                    Set the passive port range (1000 ports)

                                    pasv_min_port=20000
                                    pasv_max_port=20999

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                                      dhenzler @johnpoz
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                                      @johnpoz

                                      Client Behind pfSense

                                      FTPS, or encrypted FTP, is not affected. The proxy could not have affected its traffic before.

                                      A client on a LAN or other internal interface behind a pfSense firewall will likely not notice any difference. Most clients, aside from the Microsoft command line FTP program, default to passive (PASV) FTP, where clients make outbound connections to servers.

                                      Passive mode on the client will require access to random/high ports outbound, which could run afoul of a strict outbound ruleset. Environments with a security policy that requires strict outbound firewall rules likely would not be using FTP anyhow, as it transmits credentials without encryption.

                                      Active mode FTP through NAT will not function as that relies on a proxy or similar mechanism. Use Passive mode instead. Another option is the recently added FTP Client Proxy package which leverages in FreeBSD to allow clients on local interfaces to reach remote FTP servers with active FTP.

                                      Active mode FTP for a client that does not involve NAT (Client has a public IP address) should work so long as WAN rules pass the appropriate traffic back to the client. The client may have a configurable active port range to make that simpler.
                                      Server Behind pfSense

                                      FTPS, or encrypted FTP, is not affected. The proxy could not have affected its traffic before.

                                      A server behind pfSense would work fine with active mode, there would be no difference here. In active mode the server would make outbound connections back to the client, so as long as the firewall rules on the interface containing the server allow outbound connections, it will work.

                                      A server behind pfSense running in Passive mode will function but requires a few items to be configured:

                                      Port forwards or 1:1 NAT to forward not only port 21, but also the passive port range in to the server
                                      
                                      The passive port range must be configured on the server, corresponding to the range of ports forwarded in the previous step.
                                      
                                      The server may also need to be configured to account for NAT. Some clients will ignore private addresses in passive responses so this may not be necessary.
                                      

                                      Sample Configuration for vsftpd

                                      In vsftpd.conf:

                                      Do not allow the client to use PORT

                                      port_enable=NO

                                      Use the hostname in the PASV response (DNS must be setup and match!)

                                      pasv_addr_resolve=YES

                                      Enable Passive Mode

                                      pasv_enable=YES

                                      Set the passive port range (1000 ports)

                                      pasv_min_port=20000
                                      pasv_max_port=20999

                                      Screenshot from 2022-04-25 23-32-46.png

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                                        SteveITS Galactic Empire @dhenzler
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                                        @dhenzler If this is for WordPress to install updates that’s the web server connecting to itself. Generally that’s used when the web server process doesn’t have access to write files. As in, server = localhost. No access from Internet required.

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                                          dhenzler @SteveITS
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                                          untrue... the updates come from various providers who are only accessible via Internet. Obviously you don't use WordPress.

                                          I get a response from the failed attempts... On my old firewall I had a Port Forwarded to WAN on port 21 inside and outside... once it hit the Internet it may have gone to some obscure upper port mapping. But that was the config.

                                          I've tried NAT using TrueNAT
                                          just ran through a bunch more trials and NADA !

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                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @dhenzler
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                                            @dhenzler so you want a client behind pfsense to talk to some ftp server out on the internet?

                                            What would that have to do with port forwarding? Or this?

                                            WAN-address to LAN single-address ?
                                            WAN-network to LAN single-address ?

                                            And would have nothing to do anything special on the nat, etc.

                                            A client behind talking passive ftp to some server out on the internet would need no special rules at all. This would work out of the box with default any any rule..

                                            A client behind pfsense wanting to talk active FTP would need the ftp helper/proxy setup.. Since pfsense would have to create the rule for the the data channel to be allowed in from the server. And you would not be able to use ftps, since pfsense would not be able to see the port command that has the port the client wants the ftp server to talk too, nor would it be able to correct the client IP to the public IP of pfsense..

                                            ftpclient.jpg

                                            And then you would have to configure the package for your use.. Which interfaces, etc..

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