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    • DerelictD
      Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @mhank
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      @mhank If your server is on IPv4 and they are, indeed, on IPv6-only with no transition mechanism in place, about all you can do is implement IPv6 on your servers.

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      • JKnottJ
        JKnott @mhank
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        @mhank

        Normally, IPv6 is preferred to IPv4. However, there may be issues with the carrier. I'm on Rogers in Canada, which does IPv6 very well, but Bell Canada has a poor IPv6 implementation. Have the user try test-ipv6.com. On Rogers I get 10/10, but with a work phone on Bell, it was only 1/10, IIRC.

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        • JKnottJ
          JKnott @Derelict
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          @derelict

          I don't know about U.S. carriers, but Rogers, in Canada, uses 464XLAT, which converts IPv4 to IPv6 and back. I expect some U.S. carriers would do similar.

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          • DerelictD
            Derelict LAYER 8 Netgate @JKnott
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            @jknott "with no transition mechanism in place"

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            • JKnottJ
              JKnott @Derelict
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              @derelict

              Are there such carriers? Seems to me that would cut people off from a large chunk of the Internet.

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              • johnpozJ
                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @mhank
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                @mhank said in IPv6 can not connect to IPv6:

                We have several users in the US that options a IPv6 on their mobile phones.

                T-Mobile is IPv6 only here in the chicagolan region.. But they clearly have method in place for the IPv6 only phone to get to IPv4 addresses..

                As mentioned already with no method to do that - these users would not be able to access most of the internet. Because while sure IPv6 is making progress and the future.. There are some serious major players on the internet that do not have IPv6 access to their services.

                I know t-mobile is ipv6 only - because can see it on my phone.. And well this info from back in 2014 when they started the move..

                https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/deploy360/2014/case-study-t-mobile-us-goes-ipv6-only-using-464xlat/

                My phone while out and bought on cell only can for sure connect to IPv4 only - since I can get to my plex server and per notification of new IP being used for a client I get that they are connecting via IPv4 even though my IPv6 only phone is making the connection.

                newip.jpg

                NetRange:       172.32.0.0 - 172.63.255.255
                CIDR:           172.32.0.0/11
                NetName:        TMO9
                OriginAS:       AS21928
                Organization:   T-Mobile USA, Inc. (TMOBI)
                

                I can not be sure about other Carriers in the US, but I would have to assume that many of them are doing only IPv6 - there is just so many freaking phones..

                I would look to troubleshooting why they can not actually make whatever connection - but I find highly unlikely that any mobile phone carrier would only be doing IPv6 at this time. Without a method for that device to talk to IPv4 addresses. It is just not a viable solution at this time. There is too much of the planet that does not yet have IPv6..

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                • JKnottJ
                  JKnott @johnpoz
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                  @johnpoz

                  It appears T-Mobile is doing the same as Rogers. My phone gets an IPv4 address 192.0.0.4, which, IIRC, is within the reserved addresses for 464XLAT.

                  Also, what type of phone is having this issue? I believe iPhones handle this differently from Android.

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                  • johnpozJ
                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @JKnott
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                    @jknott I don't see how make of the phone should matter. Because if a carrier rolled out some IPv6 network. And you could not get to IPv4 if you used phone maker X.. That carrier wouldn't be in business very long.

                    I would look more to these protocols they mention mail and sip.. Its quite possible the translation the carrier is doing for IPv6 to IPv4 does not support the protocol they are doing, or they on purpose block it, etc. Especially to say another country..

                    I would test something simple like can this phone user access a website your hosting on http or https?

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                    • JKnottJ
                      JKnott @johnpoz
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                      @johnpoz

                      One other issue is whether a VPN is used. Some VPNs won't work through NAT.

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @JKnott
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                        @jknott I vpn into my pfsense over their translation setup just fine.. Not saying that couldn't be an issue..

                        But he specifically called out mail and sip, and made no mention of vpn - and says they are not even seeing connection attempt.

                        But I am curious to know how they knew what IPv4 address to look for - because they sure wouldn't see a IPv6 address trying to talk to their IPv4 address.

                        What I would suggest they do is have these phone users access something simple like a website they host..

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                        • JKnottJ
                          JKnott @johnpoz
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                          @johnpoz said in IPv6 can not connect to IPv6:

                          I vpn into my pfsense over their translation setup just fine.. Not saying that couldn't be an issue..

                          NAT breaks IPSec authentication headers. Other VPNs, such as OpenVPN use plain UDP that passes through NAT. Also, WiFi calling uses IPSec in UDP for the same reason.

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