NG6100 MAX - pf+22.05 "wired" memory increasing over time
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@stephenw10
not really ?
output of top -HaSP:
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Yeah, nothing significant shown there. Hmm, something in kernel then.
You have anything especially unusual running there?
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@stephenw10
not that i can think of .
none of the typical memory intensive pkg's are installed -
Hmm, OK. Try running
vmstat -zand see if that shows where it's being used. -
[22.05-RELEASE][root@pfsense.pmi.lan]/root: vmstat -z ITEM SIZE LIMIT USED FREE REQ FAIL SLEEP UMA Kegs: 224, 0, 270, 2, 270, 0, 0 UMA Zones: 936, 0, 271, 1, 271, 0, 0 UMA Slabs: 80, 0, 70297, 3, 103422, 0, 0 UMA Hash: 256, 0, 80, 40, 109, 0, 0 4 Bucket: 32, 0, 861, 1764, 9826940, 0, 0 6 Bucket: 48, 0, 102, 1475, 8650997, 0, 0 8 Bucket: 64, 0, 1112, 1430,15664937, 19, 0 12 Bucket: 96, 0, 104, 798, 2526426, 0, 0 16 Bucket: 128, 0, 260, 1538, 822118, 1, 0 32 Bucket: 256, 0, 326, 589, 2676163, 6, 0 64 Bucket: 512, 0, 980, 300,10505661,1050, 0 128 Bucket: 1024, 0, 1050, 214, 5487665,7705, 0 256 Bucket: 2048, 0, 452, 72, 3478612, 19, 0 vmem: 1856, 0, 3, 1, 3, 0, 0 vmem btag: 56, 0, 14554, 569, 14554, 107, 0 VM OBJECT: 256, 0, 8059, 1481,1002886020, 0, 0 RADIX NODE: 144, 0, 14560, 3962,1620543180, 0, 0 MAP: 240, 0, 3, 61, 3, 0, 0 KMAP ENTRY: 120, 0, 20, 508, 29, 0, 0 MAP ENTRY: 120, 0, 6364, 5054,4083143513, 0, 0 VMSPACE: 2560, 0, 78, 50,36051059, 0, 0 fakepg: 104, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 64 pcpu: 8, 0, 13338, 46310, 1972433, 0, 0 mt_stats_zone: 64, 0, 508, 260, 508, 0, 0 mt_zone: 24, 0, 508, 327, 508, 0, 0 16: 16, 0,23018700, 510,1018355362, 0, 0 32: 32, 0, 15559, 5316,5358991388, 0, 0 64: 64, 0,11526267, 835,1410775321, 0, 0 128: 128, 0,34459501, 409,1895721235, 0, 0 256: 256, 0, 45512, 28573,6298090042, 0, 0 512: 512, 0, 5932, 1420,198321701, 0, 0 1024: 1024, 0, 1319, 361,100535697, 0, 0 2048: 2048, 0, 5145, 5153,1122312103, 0, 0 4096: 4096, 0, 1430, 82,86374703, 0, 0 8192: 8192, 0, 187, 9, 239891, 0, 0 16384: 16384, 0, 142, 74,193635153, 0, 0 32768: 32768, 0, 83, 8, 9338, 0, 0 65536: 65536, 0, 11, 7, 9447425, 0, 0 SLEEPQUEUE: 80, 0, 687, 212, 687, 0, 0 kenv: 258, 0, 4, 116, 18629, 0, 0 Files: 80, 0, 278, 872,729336282, 0, 0 filedesc0: 1104, 0, 112, 92,36051092, 0, 0 rangeset pctrie nodes: 144, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 TURNSTILE: 136, 0, 687, 113, 687, 0, 0 rl_entry: 40, 0, 186, 914, 186, 0, 0 umtx pi: 96, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 umtx_shm: 88, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 PROC: 1328, 0, 111, 69,36051091, 0, 0 PGRP: 88, 0, 47, 718, 379949, 0, 0 THREAD: 1840, 0, 659, 27, 1676, 0, 0 cpuset: 104, 0, 31, 496, 31, 0, 0 domainset: 40, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 audit_record: 1280, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 mbuf_packet: 256, 3195510, 3, 1515,19016152, 0, 0 mbuf: 256, 3195510, 25520, 1807,14927036205, 0, 0 mbuf_cluster: 2048, 1000000, 18527, 1025,6649618877, 0, 0 mbuf_jumbo_page: 4096, 524288, 0, 325, 4394879, 0, 0 mbuf_jumbo_9k: 9216, 524288, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 mbuf_jumbo_16k: 16384, 41608, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 epoch_record pcpu: 256, 0, 5, 59, 5, 0, 0 NetGraph items: 72, 4123, 0, 527, 999002, 0, 0 NetGraph data items: 72, 4123, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 DMAR_MAP_ENTRY: 120, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ttyinq: 160, 0, 360, 315, 2280, 0, 0 ttyoutq: 256, 0, 188, 307, 1182, 0, 0 FPU_save_area: 1088, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 g_bio: 376, 0, 0, 530,299158612, 0, 0 linux_dma_pctrie: 144, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 linux_dma_object: 24, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 cryptop: 128, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 cryptodesc: 120, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 crypto_session: 32, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 vtnet_tx_hdr: 24, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 taskq_zone: 48, 0, 0, 1577,20890059, 0, 0 VNODE: 480, 0, 6552, 384, 1027761, 0, 0 VNODEPOLL: 120, 0, 9, 519, 272, 0, 0 BUF TRIE: 144, 0, 0, 52245, 14, 0, 0 NAMEI: 1024, 0, 0, 80,1282301499, 0, 0 rentr: 24, 0, 0, 1169, 88, 0, 0 S VFS Cache: 108, 0, 6447, 938, 9912091, 0, 0 STS VFS Cache: 148, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 L VFS Cache: 328, 0, 25, 155, 87387, 0, 0 LTS VFS Cache: 368, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 TMPFS dirent: 64, 0, 42, 1012, 1620, 0, 0 TMPFS node: 232, 0, 44, 211, 1621, 0, 0 NCLNODE: 608, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 DIRHASH: 1024, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 Mountpoints: 2744, 0, 15, 6, 27, 0, 0 AIO: 208, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 AIOP: 32, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 AIOCB: 752, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 AIOLIO: 280, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 pipe: 760, 0, 7, 88,21372927, 0, 0 range_seg_cache: 72, 0, 1422, 1218,80383797, 0, 0 zio_cache: 1064, 0, 8, 994,1305328680, 0, 0 zio_link_cache: 48, 0, 0, 1577,645868575, 0, 0 zio_buf_512: 512, 0, 7232, 424, 8801790, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_512: 512, 0, 145, 175,170305609, 0, 0 zio_buf_1024: 1024, 0, 411, 73, 1280824, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_1024: 1024, 0, 100, 56, 12740, 0, 0 zio_buf_1536: 1536, 0, 129, 51, 36221, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_1536: 1536, 0, 118, 54, 1593, 0, 0 zio_buf_2048: 2048, 0, 147, 33, 9161671, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_2048: 2048, 0, 184, 52, 323465, 0, 0 zio_buf_2560: 2560, 0, 428, 19, 20280, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_2560: 2560, 0, 62, 16, 1413, 0, 0 zio_buf_3072: 3072, 0, 381, 15, 17106, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_3072: 3072, 0, 66, 18, 2232, 0, 0 zio_buf_3584: 3584, 0, 61, 6, 435368, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_3584: 3584, 0, 59, 17, 2248, 0, 0 zio_buf_4096: 4096, 0, 1188, 150,76079367, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_4096: 4096, 0, 370, 193,15785270, 0, 0 zio_buf_5120: 5120, 0, 15, 7, 875, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_5120: 5120, 0, 18, 16, 12710, 0, 0 zio_buf_6144: 6144, 0, 10, 8, 917, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_6144: 6144, 0, 24, 10, 1468, 0, 0 zio_buf_7168: 7168, 0, 5, 5, 863, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_7168: 7168, 0, 24, 14, 1258, 0, 0 zio_buf_8192: 8192, 0, 6, 32,10905413, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_8192: 8192, 0, 20, 19, 2117, 0, 0 zio_buf_10240: 10240, 0, 12, 9, 1677, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_10240: 10240, 0, 21, 38, 11609, 0, 0 zio_buf_12288: 12288, 0, 7, 33, 6352129, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_12288: 12288, 0, 20, 34, 2621, 0, 0 zio_buf_14336: 14336, 0, 6, 8, 3532, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_14336: 14336, 0, 21, 23, 9970, 0, 0 zio_buf_16384: 16384, 0, 852, 73,21130983, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_16384: 16384, 0, 10, 31, 3323, 0, 0 zio_buf_20480: 20480, 0, 3, 25, 2717114, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_20480: 20480, 0, 13, 44, 12255, 0, 0 zio_buf_24576: 24576, 0, 4, 19, 1646077, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_24576: 24576, 0, 9, 36, 12663, 0, 0 zio_buf_28672: 28672, 0, 1, 8, 1132784, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_28672: 28672, 0, 6, 25, 12326, 0, 0 zio_buf_32768: 32768, 0, 0, 8, 897693, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_32768: 32768, 0, 6, 24, 6179, 0, 0 zio_buf_40960: 40960, 0, 5, 8, 1090737, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_40960: 40960, 0, 16, 30, 11284, 0, 0 zio_buf_49152: 49152, 0, 0, 8, 574262, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_49152: 49152, 0, 4, 24, 10816, 0, 0 zio_buf_57344: 57344, 0, 0, 9, 550734, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_57344: 57344, 0, 8, 25, 13173, 0, 0 zio_buf_65536: 65536, 0, 1, 8, 348661, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_65536: 65536, 0, 6, 16, 12700, 0, 0 zio_buf_81920: 81920, 0, 0, 9, 494529, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_81920: 81920, 0, 19, 19, 31792, 0, 0 zio_buf_98304: 98304, 0, 0, 20, 489015, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_98304: 98304, 0, 14, 18, 36140, 0, 0 zio_buf_114688: 114688, 0, 1, 8, 485102, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_114688: 114688, 0, 6, 33, 38011, 0, 0 zio_buf_131072: 131072, 0, 405, 270,38861500, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_131072: 131072, 0, 1339, 190, 682120, 0, 0 zio_buf_163840: 163840, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_163840: 163840, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_196608: 196608, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_196608: 196608, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_229376: 229376, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_229376: 229376, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_262144: 262144, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_262144: 262144, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_327680: 327680, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_327680: 327680, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_393216: 393216, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_393216: 393216, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_458752: 458752, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_458752: 458752, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_524288: 524288, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_524288: 524288, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_655360: 655360, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_655360: 655360, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_786432: 786432, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_786432: 786432, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_917504: 917504, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_917504: 917504, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_1048576: 1048576, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_1048576: 1048576, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_1310720: 1310720, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_1310720: 1310720, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_1572864: 1572864, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_1572864: 1572864, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_1835008: 1835008, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_1835008: 1835008, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_2097152: 2097152, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_2097152: 2097152, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_2621440: 2621440, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_2621440: 2621440, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_3145728: 3145728, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_3145728: 3145728, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_3670016: 3670016, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_3670016: 3670016, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_4194304: 4194304, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_4194304: 4194304, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_5242880: 5242880, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_5242880: 5242880, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_6291456: 6291456, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_6291456: 6291456, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_7340032: 7340032, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_7340032: 7340032, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_8388608: 8388608, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_8388608: 8388608, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_10485760: 10485760, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_10485760: 10485760, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_12582912: 12582912, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_12582912: 12582912, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_14680064: 14680064, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_14680064: 14680064, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_buf_16777216: 16777216, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zio_data_buf_16777216: 16777216, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 lz4_ctx: 16384, 0, 0, 32,74420675, 0, 0 abd_chunk: 4096, 0, 32938, 10497,115559825, 0, 0 sa_cache: 144, 0, 6278, 391, 1025867, 0, 0 dnode_t: 736, 0, 11211, 99, 1062121, 0, 0 arc_buf_hdr_t_full: 256, 0, 6507, 393,91785089, 0, 0 arc_buf_hdr_t_l2only: 96, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 arc_buf_t: 64, 0, 4276, 1304,91790505, 0, 0 dmu_buf_impl_t: 240, 0, 10706, 590,91827070, 0, 0 zil_lwb_cache: 320, 0, 6, 294, 520966, 0, 0 zil_zcw_cache: 80, 0, 0, 750, 527281, 0, 0 sio_cache: 128, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 zfs_znode_cache: 288, 0, 6278, 365, 1025851, 0, 0 procdesc: 136, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ksiginfo: 112, 0, 161, 889, 7275257, 0, 0 itimer: 352, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ng_pipe: 64, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 KNOTE: 160, 0, 88, 712,54769057, 0, 0 socket: 872, 257832, 120, 816,19790884, 0, 0 unpcb: 256, 257835, 83, 352, 7075414, 0, 0 ipq: 56, 31311, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 udp_inpcb: 488, 257832, 13, 219, 3766760, 0, 0 udpcb: 32, 257875, 13, 1612, 3766760, 0, 0 tcp_inpcb: 488, 257832, 13, 4835, 6727583, 0, 0 tcpcb: 984, 257832, 13, 807, 6727583, 0, 0 tcptw: 88, 27810, 0, 5040, 3478661, 0, 0 syncache: 168, 15364, 0, 437, 6789583, 0, 0 hostcache: 96, 15375, 1, 778, 9129, 0, 0 sackhole: 32, 0, 0, 1625, 471248, 0, 0 tfo: 4, 0, 2, 751, 12, 0, 0 tfo_ccache_entries: 80, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 tcpreass: 48, 62582, 0, 1079, 92305, 0, 0 tcp_log: 400, 5000000, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 tcp_log_bucket: 144, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 tcp_log_node: 120, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_ep: 1280, 257832, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_asoc: 2288, 40000, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_laddr: 48, 80012, 0, 830, 120, 0, 0 sctp_raddr: 736, 80000, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_chunk: 152, 400010, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_readq: 152, 400010, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_stream_msg_out: 112, 400015, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_asconf: 40, 400000, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 sctp_asconf_ack: 48, 400060, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 udplite_inpcb: 488, 257832, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 ripcb: 488, 257832, 7, 201, 1036706, 0, 0 IPsec SA lft_c: 16, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 rtentry: 208, 0, 72, 175, 216, 0, 0 pf mtags: 192, 0, 391, 969,6758855780, 0, 0 pf tags: 104, 0, 3, 263, 5, 0, 0 pf states: 312, 805008, 10985, 46867,226262291, 0, 0 pf state keys: 88, 0, 15988, 66137,278130757, 0, 0 pf source nodes: 136, 805011, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 pf table entry counters: 64, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 pf table entries: 160, 400000, 1432, 1993, 146836, 0, 0 pf frags: 256, 0, 0, 255, 24421, 0, 0 pf frag entries: 40, 5000, 0, 1100, 48817, 0, 0 pf state scrubs: 40, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 bridge_rtnode: 88, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 selfd: 64, 0, 212, 1586,459721468, 0, 0 swpctrie: 144, 998622, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 swblk: 136, 998615, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 FFS inode: 160, 0, 0, 75, 2, 0, 0 FFS1 dinode: 128, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 FFS2 dinode: 256, 0, 0, 75, 2, 0, 0 -
@heper said in NG6100 MAX - pf+22.05 "wired" memory increasing over time:
16: 16, 0,23018700, 510,1018355362, 0, 0
32: 32, 0, 15559, 5316,5358991388, 0, 0
64: 64, 0,11526267, 835,1410775321, 0, 0
128: 128, 0,34459501, 409,1895721235, 0, 0
256: 256, 0, 45512, 28573,6298090042, 0, 0
512: 512, 0, 5932, 1420,198321701, 0, 0Hmm, so ~4.4GB in the 128 zone, ~730MB in the 64 zone and ~360MB in 16.
If you run it again after some time are those all increasing at the same rate?
See this post for last time we looked at something similar: https://forum.netgate.com/post/1041601
Steve
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will add new timestamps as the day progresses2022/09/27-08:00
6404M Wired
zone16: 376MB
zone32: 0.5MB
zone64: 753MB
zone128: 4,504GB
attached dtrace_script_2022-09-27-0800.log.txt dtrace script output from post2022/09/27-09:00
wired 6453M
zone16: 380,465616mb
zone32: 3.554336mb
zone64: 755.222912mb
zone128: 4,537gb
dtrace attacheddtrace_script_2022-09-27_0911.log.txt2022/09/27-10:07
6475M wired
zone16: 381.96072MB
zone32: 3.560192MB
zone64: 758.20928MB
zone128: 4.55558976GB
dtrace: dtrace_script_2022-09-27-1007.log.txt2022/09/27-15:11
6625M Wired
zone16: 392.087136MB
zone32: 3.549216MB
zone64: 778.44768MB
zone128: 4.677006336GB
dtrace: dtrace_script_2022-09-27-1511.log.txtthat'll be all for me for today. gotta go do "stuff".
tonight i'll reboot the device remotely because i won't return to this school till friday & want to prevent it running out of memory (or start swapping) -
Ah, this is good data. We are reviewing it.
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@stephenw10
do you need more data?
the dtrace script seems to target zone128. please let me know if you require other zones -
stephenw10 Netgate Administratorlast edited by stephenw10 Sep 28, 2022, 1:16 PM Sep 28, 2022, 1:15 PM
I believe we have found an issue in the code that pulls ethernet rules. It's particularly apparent where captive portal is running which is probably why you're seeing it more than most.
So we shouldn't need any more data but I'll reach out if we do.Yes, this:
https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/0044bd90f2397dfad5f4bbd12c64be86e0b7eb4a -
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Thanks for getting another cp related bug squashed.Will contact you again when I stumble upon the next rodent in the attic ....
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@stephenw10 is there a redmine to follow up on the status of this bug?
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stephenw10 Netgate Administratorlast edited by stephenw10 Sep 29, 2022, 2:40 PM Sep 29, 2022, 1:26 PM
No, Kristof just went straight to the source! But there should be one to track it. I'll add one....
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@stephenw10 when will a patch be released?
just got called in because school went offline:
tried to ssh remotely to reboot - then it got stuck somewhere
had to drive on site to powercycle the ng6100(yes i forgot to reboot before memory ran out ... )
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It's patched in 23.01 if you're able to test that?
It's unlikely to be patched in 22.05 at this point because it would require a point release, the fix is in kernel.
Steve
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@stephenw10 said in NG6100 MAX - pf+22.05 "wired" memory increasing over time:
It's patched in 23.01 if you're able to test that?
Is this Patch also in 2.7.0?
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@stephenw10 test 23.01 on a production system with roughly 1k users ?
also: it's not mentioned in the 23.01 release notes posted alongside the beta announcement
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Likely because it hadn't been marked as feedback yet. It is in 2.7 and 23.01 though. I've updated the ticket.
Steve
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We need someone who was hitting this in 22.05 to test it in 23.01 to confirm it is fixed there.
Otherwise if it's not fixed in the current code it may not be before release.
Steve
