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    • Cool_CoronaC
      Cool_Corona @A Former User
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      @killermantv Maybe browser related?

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      • chpalmerC
        chpalmer @A Former User
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        @killermantv said in FreeBSD 13:

        @chpalmer can't remember talking about security, but anything performance related

        One thing to remember is that just because pfsense is using FreeBSD does not mean they are using all of FreeBSD.. There are aspects of the install that are not used nor installed.. and their are many improvements to the distro that pfsense has that are not part of the stock FreeBSD install if I remember that correctly.. The choice to stay with on version or put time and resources into the next have been weighed historically. Because of that this is a great product.

        Tell me how many organizations you know of that need the use of VLAN0.. The company I work for has one of the largest VOIP based systems in the world and has had to date no use for it. That does not mean it will not come up in the future..

        If we weigh the cost of one thing to benefit just a few at the expense of a quality product I choose to go about it a little slower and stay a little safer. But that is just my two cents. ;)

        But as I said.. This seems like a drive-by thread personally.. to push another product.

        Triggering snowflakes one by one..
        Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590T CPU @ 2.00GHz on an M400 WG box.

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          A Former User @chpalmer
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          @chpalmer said in FreeBSD 13:

          @killermantv said in FreeBSD 13:

          @chpalmer can't remember talking about security, but anything performance related

          One thing to remember is that just because pfsense is using FreeBSD does not mean they are using all of FreeBSD.. There are aspects of the install that are not used nor installed.. and their are many improvements to the distro that pfsense has that are not part of the stock FreeBSD install if I remember that correctly.. The choice to stay with on version or put time and resources into the next have been weighed historically. Because of that this is a great product.

          Tell me how many organizations you know of that need the use of VLAN0.. The company I work for has one of the largest VOIP based systems in the world and has had to date no use for it. That does not mean it will not come up in the future..

          If we weigh the cost of one thing to benefit just a few at the expense of a quality product I choose to go about it a little slower and stay a little safer. But that is just my two cents. ;)

          But as I said.. This seems like a drive-by thread personally.. to push another product.

          Still truenas had no problem with that already in february

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            Vollans @A Former User
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            @killermantv said in FreeBSD 13:

            Still truenas had no problem with that already in february

            And on the storage side there may well have been more compelling reasons to move onto it than there are on the networking side.

            If you look at the use of Unixes in business, and quite often Windows as well, they rarely are on the latest-and-greatest release, they prefer to be on a solid base that is reliable and a known quantity rather than spending a huge amount of time also chasing the latest-and-greatest bugs and interactions. That way time and money can be spent on improvements for customers rather than "oops, something broke". There's a reason why there are Linux LTS versions and even Windows LTS versions.

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              A Former User @Vollans
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              @vollans said in FreeBSD 13:

              @killermantv said in FreeBSD 13:

              Still truenas had no problem with that already in february

              And on the storage side there may well have been more compelling reasons to move onto it than there are on the networking side.

              If you look at the use of Unixes in business, and quite often Windows as well, they rarely are on the latest-and-greatest release, they prefer to be on a solid base that is reliable and a known quantity rather than spending a huge amount of time also chasing the latest-and-greatest bugs and interactions. That way time and money can be spent on improvements for customers rather than "oops, something broke". There's a reason why there are Linux LTS versions and even Windows LTS versions.

              Even LTT migrated to opnsense because of pfsense "quality" delay ๐Ÿ˜‰
              Youtube Video โ€“ [23:47..]

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                NRgia @A Former User
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                @killermantv
                I'm not taking any sides here, just trying to point some facts on what online information I can find...:
                Deciso maintains only one product, Netgate has to maintain and develop 2:
                pfSense and TNSR.

                And as we can see here:

                https://www.netgate.com/blog/esl-gaming-leverages-netgates-tnsr-at-dreamhack-dallas-festival

                I think the most revenue comes from TNSR product. I may be wrong but I don't have any inside charts.

                Now about the above, I think is about resources, and a business decision. On which project a company will allocate more development, testing and other resources ? On the product that gives it more revenue.

                I'm not saying this in a negative way, and I may be wrong due to insufficient data.
                I'm using pfSense+ for free, and I'm using it only at home, so I can wait.
                For the others I can understand, that a missing driver, like in Linus case above, can become a showstopper.

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                • stephenw10S
                  stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                  https://www.netgate.com/blog/pfsense-software-is-moving-ahead ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                    NRgia @stephenw10
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                    @stephenw10 said in FreeBSD 13:

                    https://www.netgate.com/blog/pfsense-software-is-moving-ahead ๐Ÿ˜‰

                    Good news :)

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                      grandrivers
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                      sounds like this will change already stated "soon" TM , cant wait !

                      pfsense plus 25.03 super micro A1SRM-2558F
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                        kathampy
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                        I got an Ice Lake-D Xeon D-1700 box as a firewall. As stated in the LTT video FreeBSD 12 doesn't support the QSFP ports on this SoC, but FreeBSD 13 does.

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          Yup, so does main/14. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                          • keyserK
                            keyser Rebel Alliance @stephenw10
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                            @stephenw10 said in FreeBSD 13:

                            Yup, so does main/14. ๐Ÿ˜‰

                            This does sound as a very very interesting deveolpment for pfSense. However, Iโ€™m not a FreeBSD user/follower apart from on my SG-xxxx boxes, so a few questions arise:

                            1: How big is the difference between 12/Stable and 14/Main in the bits pfSense use/exploit? IE: What will be the most noticable news for pfSense users?

                            2: Is it a huge leap in additional drivers availability and supported hardware? Iโ€™m thinking mainly NICs and especially 4G/5G dongles/hardware support.

                            3: Is 22.11/2.7โ€™s only focus to change FreeBSD base and PHP build, or will there be other new features/requests included?

                            Love the no fuss of using the official appliances :-)

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