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    NUT server and UPS general question

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      rcoleman-netgate Netgate @netboy
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      @netboy It's 3. I suggested it because it is a USB3 port, no other reason besides most users have a 3 hub handy now vs. 2.

      You can use a USB1 hub, it doesn't matter when you're dealing with such small amounts of data.

      Ryan
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        netboy @rcoleman-netgate
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        @rcoleman-netgate Hey one more question .... I will be using the USB 3 HUB purely to connect to UPS - Does it matter I buy a USB hub "with power adapter" or "power only thru USB 3"?

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          rcoleman-netgate Netgate @netboy
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          @netboy depends on who much power the hub is drawing and how much the devices need downstream. That's why we have powered hubs - your 2100 can only produce as much power as it has and I don't know what the limit of the USB3 ports are other than it can drive a USB3 flash drive (which is <150mA).

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            netboy @rcoleman-netgate
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            @rcoleman-netgate Looks like from your answer it is better to buy a powered port - Thx

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            • stephenw10S
              stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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              A UPS itself would not require any power over USB. You'd only need a powered hub if you are connecting other devices to it too.

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                netboy @stephenw10
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                @stephenw10 Thanks I did order a USB 3 hub with power - This gives me the flexibility to use it with or without power

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                • dennypageD
                  dennypage
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                  As @rcoleman-netgate notes, the NUT package will only monitor a single device. It does not support ups farm management/monitoring.

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                    netboy @dennypage
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                    @dennypage said in NUT server and UPS general question:

                    @rcoleman-netgate

                    @rcoleman-netgate clearly told that I can use "multiple" UPS attached to a USB hub and the USB hub attached to netgate 2100 - Are you contradicting @rcoleman-netgate ?

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                      rcoleman-netgate Netgate @netboy
                      last edited by rcoleman-netgate

                      @netboy Uhm, here's what I clearly said:

                      @rcoleman-netgate said in NUT server and UPS general question:

                      Again it might not let you do more than one. YMMV.

                      I also said you could connect multiple USB devices, I did not say you could connect multiple UPSes.

                      Ryan
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                      • stephenw10S
                        stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                        last edited by

                        Be aware that in this matter @dennypage, as the package author, is the ultimate authority. 😉

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                          netboy @stephenw10
                          last edited by netboy

                          @stephenw10 @stephenw10 OK got it.... I ordered USB hub probably will use for something else.
                          @dennypage thanks for your input. Sorry I questioned the package author - pardon me.

                          Maybe I will dedicate a raspberry PI as a NUT server since it has 4 USB's

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                            JimBob Indiana @netboy
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                            @netboy Not sure as I've never tried it but does the APC UPS monitor plug in let you monitor multiple devices? Of course if yours aren't APC's doesn't help.

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                              netboy @JimBob Indiana
                              last edited by netboy

                              @jimbob-indiana
                              Yes!

                              I have a APC UPS and hence I installed package "apcupsd" (did not install NUT because as the package owner here the USB can monitor ONLY one UPS).

                              BTW I connected the USB to netgate 2100 from the UPS.

                              Configure the apcupsd (self explanatory) and once done you can install the dashboard using the + sign on the splash page and add apcupsd widget.

                              Here is a screenshot:

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                              hth

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                              • occamsrazorO
                                occamsrazor
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                                Yes if you have an APC brand UPS and it works with apcupsd then I feel that is the better way to go. The implementation in pfSense is better, more is configurable through the GUI and the widget has more detail. NUT is however more widespread it seems and so if you are needing to integrate with other devices etc then sometimes NUT may be preferable.

                                pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                                Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                                Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                                  netboy @occamsrazor
                                  last edited by netboy

                                  @occamsrazor Initially I thought a USB Hub can be connected to netgate 2100 and then attach 3 UPS's to them. I have since been "corrected" by the package author.
                                  Hence, my next solution is to use the APC (covers modem, router and my servers) to netgate USB as standalone.
                                  Additionally, configure NUT in raspberry pi and use it's USB to connect to other UPS's. That is the idea and I am working on it....

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                                    JimBob Indiana
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                                    Thanks but I'm already using APCUSPD. If you can monitor more than one UPS that's the question.

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                                      occamsrazor @JimBob Indiana
                                      last edited by

                                      @jimbob-indiana said in NUT server and UPS general question:

                                      Thanks but I'm already using APCUSPD. If you can monitor more than one UPS that's the question.

                                      I don't think you can. I asked a similar question here:
                                      https://forum.netgate.com/topic/175536/multiple-ups-with-apcupsd-and-or-nut?_=1667928318795

                                      pfSense CE on Qotom Q355G4 8GB RAM/60GB SSD
                                      Ubiquiti Unifi wired and wireless network, APC UPSs
                                      Mac OSX and IOS devices, QNAP NAS

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                                        netboy @occamsrazor
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                                        @occamsrazor
                                        I have a question to everyone....

                                        I have 1 UPS in a different location but would like to connect the same to my future NUT server on raspberry PI. I do have a extra ethernet jack in the same location. Was wondering can I use "USB over ethernet adapter" to connect the UPS USB to adapter and then connect to the wall ethernet jack. Same at the receiving end ....connect an adapter to the ethernet and connect the USB end to the PI - Has anybody done something like this?

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                                          JimBob Indiana @netboy
                                          last edited by

                                          @netboy usb to ethernet adapter.

                                          Drivers are the issue.

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                                          • stephenw10S
                                            stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
                                            last edited by stephenw10

                                            That's just a USB NIC it won't help you there.

                                            You'd need an actual USB over Ethernet device. If you have separate cable between those locations you might be able to use something passive that doesn't need drivers (USB over Cat5 extender).

                                            Steve

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