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Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch)

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    cloudroot @Jarhead
    last edited by Jan 13, 2023, 12:44 PM

    @jarhead I know I know, that would be the feasible and sane solution. I do not dispute that.

    It just irks me then that I'll have many ports on the 6100 that are there and not being used at all. So they are then quite redundant.

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      Jarhead @cloudroot
      last edited by Jan 13, 2023, 12:50 PM

      @cloudroot Yeah but those are router ports, not switchports.
      You can use them for other networks. So no need for vlans anymore.

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        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @cloudroot
        last edited by Jan 13, 2023, 12:58 PM

        @cloudroot said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

        It just irks me then that I'll have many ports on the 6100

        Why a router can never have too many interfaces ;) But as mentioned they are not "switch" ports - they are discrete interfaces. You could use them as uplinks for your different networks/vlans to your switching environment - which is their purpose.. Not switch ports ;)

        I have a 4860, and it doesn't have too many ports - I use them all.. I have 1 that carries some vlans, these are vlans that don't really talk to each other much. The networks/vlans that do a lot of intervlan talking are on their own physical interfaces

        If you don't have enough networks to justify all the interfaces, and you just don't like them sitting there idle - put them in a lagg and run all your vlans over the lagg.

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          cloudroot @johnpoz
          last edited by Jan 13, 2023, 1:03 PM

          @johnpoz LAGGs... That is something that I hadn't even considered. This would probably "solve" the eye-sore of having many unused ports.

          I will do some reading on LAGG now :)

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            rcoleman-netgate Netgate @cloudroot
            last edited by Jan 15, 2023, 9:12 PM

            @cloudroot said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

            It just irks me then that I'll have many ports on the 6100 that are there and not being used at all. So they are then quite redundant.

            Sure but it's a router, not a switch. Bridges are good for specific needs but your performance will suffer from pulling CPU cycles away to be a packet switcher instead of a packet filter.

            psSense just doesn't have the same ring to it. 😸

            Ryan
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              cloudroot @rcoleman-netgate
              last edited by Jan 15, 2023, 9:19 PM

              @rcoleman-netgate I'm (at the moment) willing to sacrifice CPU cycles, since I have them to spare. But the suggestion of using LAGG, was a good one. And I'm in the process of reading up on it.

              Comming from 10+ years of Mikrotik, and pfSense is doing things differently. Some way more than others. But it's fun to learn something new.

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @cloudroot
                last edited by Jan 15, 2023, 10:10 PM

                @cloudroot said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

                Comming from 10+ years of Mikrotik

                do they have switch ports? Would never in a million years choose to bridge anything other than say wifi to wire.. Or if my router had say had a optical interface and my switch didn't.. And I needed to have a optical connection into my copper network.. But it would only be long enough to either get a sfp/sfp+ for my switch, or a media converter.. I sure wouldn't bridge interfaces on my router because I just didn't have another use for them ;) And didn't like them sitting there empty...

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                  Jarhead @johnpoz
                  last edited by Jan 15, 2023, 10:19 PM

                  @johnpoz said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

                  @cloudroot said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

                  Comming from 10+ years of Mikrotik

                  And didn't like them sitting there empty...

                  Exactly what I was thinking... Can't understand how unused ports are an eye-sore.

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                    rcoleman-netgate Netgate @johnpoz
                    last edited by Jan 16, 2023, 12:57 AM

                    @johnpoz said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

                    Would never in a million years choose to bridge anything other than say wifi to wire

                    And even then... I might not... I've been there and it wasn't pretty. Biggest PITB I ever did. Eventually I had them buy their own 5-port VLAN-capable switch and bundled them all together.

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                      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @Jarhead
                      last edited by johnpoz Jan 16, 2023, 3:17 AM Jan 16, 2023, 3:15 AM

                      @jarhead said in Bridge of LAN1-4 untagged (unifi), with tagged VLANs (no switch):

                      Can't understand how unused ports are an eye-sore.

                      If they bother you buy some rj45 plugs ;)

                      plugs.jpg

                      They sell all kinds of them you can get a bag of 50 for a few bucks, etc. They help keep the dust out as well ;)

                      If anything I would get a bit antsy if I didn't have a few free ports available - what if I need to add something, and I don't have a few free ports ;)

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                        OpIT GmbH @cloudroot
                        last edited by Jan 17, 2023, 10:18 AM

                        @cloudroot
                        Are you able to use LAGGS for you Scenario? We are also coming from Mikrotik and we often used to bridge all Ports and then add VLAN's on that Bridge...

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                          cloudroot @OpIT GmbH
                          last edited by Jan 17, 2023, 10:19 PM

                          @opit-gmbh Well, I've now fallen down the rabbit hole of designen a way to overkill homelab. So it's gonna take a while for me to decide on the server hardware. After that is done, I'll look through the options for switches and such.. Things being what they are, this is probably gonna take months. But I'm in no hurry right now.

                          But if I were to do it right now. I'd probably group the two 10Gbe ports, and combine them and have an affordable Mikrotik as downlink.

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