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    • johnpozJ
      johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @toddehb
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      @toddehb if it didn't get the same IP as before that could of been issue sure. So did you switch back to automatic?

      The most common reason people are manual is they followed some vpn guide that said to do that - when its not needed at all, all that is needed for a vpn is hybrid and set a outbound nat for your vpn.

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        toddehb @johnpoz
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        @johnpoz

        you are right, I read a Wireguard guide suggesting to switch to manual. Is it save to go back to auto or maybe hybrid without loosing current settings?

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          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @toddehb
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          @toddehb switch to auto, make sure normal works. Then switch to hybrid create whatever nat you want/need for wireguard in the hybrid

          Delete all your settings, switch back to auto normally leaves them

          https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/recipes/wireguard-client.html#outbound-nat

          That looks to be instructions for wireguard..

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            toddehb @johnpoz
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            @johnpoz

            thanks. I will do so.

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              viragomann @toddehb
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              @toddehb said in Clientlan not able to reach WAN Gateway:

              you are right, I read a Wireguard guide suggesting to switch to manual

              I'm wondering, why this stupid tuts are suggesting to set the outbound NAT to manual again and again over the years.
              I bet, the writer even cannot answer this question.

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                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @viragomann
                last edited by johnpoz

                @viragomann most of those of guides are clearly written by someone that doesn't actually understand what they are doing..

                from the nord 2.5 pfsense guide

                nord25.jpg

                That is the default web cert that pfsense creates for self signed for you to access the web gui... It sure and F is not a client cert you should use to connect to a vpn.. So clearly they are not using client certs - so the guide should say set that to none

                clientcert.jpg

                This is from my client connection to a vps of mine I run for demo purposes in helping people here with client vpn setups, etc. I use the ns1 cert that is the actual client cert. But if your not going to actually use a cert to auth, which clearly your web gui self signed cert is not going to auth to some vpn service on the internet - then it should be set to none.

                Every single guide I have read over by these vpn services are pretty lame to be honest..

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                  viragomann @johnpoz
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                  @johnpoz
                  Omg. That's really bad!

                  So clearly they are not using client certs - so the guide should say set that to none

                  Agree. If they would check the certs you would never get a connection. ^^

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                    johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @viragomann
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                    @viragomann Eveyone I have ever looked horrible.. I would never in a million years send traffic to any of these services - they can't even write a doc that makes any sense.. They hand it off to the intern most likely who copies it from somewhere else not understanding what any of it does..

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                    • stephenw10S
                      stephenw10 Netgate Administrator @viragomann
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                      @viragomann said in Clientlan not able to reach WAN Gateway:

                      I'm wondering, why this stupid tuts are suggesting to set the outbound NAT to manual again and again over the years.

                      They do that specifically to prevent LAN traffic leaving the WAN outside the VPN. Because persuading users that unencrypted traffic there is somehow unsafe and must all be sent via them is their business model. It also gets me that they use the term 'kill switch' for that. ๐Ÿ™„

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                      • johnpozJ
                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @stephenw10
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                        @stephenw10 but it doesn't look at the stupid nord guide, it has you switch to manual and create nord output nat, but it doesn't have you delete the normal wan nats.. So it wouldn't stop normal traffic from leaving out your normal wan..

                        If they had you delete all the outbound other than the nord, ok that could be their business model or goal. But from the guides I havve seen they just don't have a clue what hybrid does, etc.

                        And they say to delete all the IPv6 outbound nat rules - WTF???

                        wtf.jpg

                        Why anyone would actually trust moving data through these people is beyond me..

                        maybe typo with ipv6 and they meant all rules? But then they show you what your outbound nat should look like

                        typomaybe.jpg

                        They are all bad - have looked at all the so called major players in this vpn space - they are just horrible without a clue to what the F they are trying to even accomplish..

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                        • stephenw10S
                          stephenw10 Netgate Administrator
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                          I mean.... I'm pretty sure that's what they are trying to do. But that doesn't rule out ineptitude!
                          Hanlon's razor may apply. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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