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      SteveITS Galactic Empire @oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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      Also there's a fix for Unbound not correctly binding to "All" interfaces on IPv6.

      https://forum.netgate.com/topic/176989/problems-with-pfsense-ipv6-dns-function-does-it-exist/36

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      When upgrading, allow 10-15 minutes to restart, or more depending on packages and device speed.
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        oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree @SteveITS
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        @steveits Thanks for pointing me to the other threads.

        I'm thinking of just giving up on using forwarding. I need to figure out if my ISP limits access to DNS servers when not forwarding.

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          oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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          After turning off DNS forwarding, resolution was nearly instantaneous for a couple of days. But the random timeouts have returned.

          I don't see anything in the logs to indicate something is failing.

          Can someone point me to a DNS debugging guide or something that will help me figure out what the root cause is here.

          Thank you.

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            SteveITS Galactic Empire @oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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            @oopohj5oo8shieze1ree There are a few here:
            https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/troubleshooting/index.html#dns

            Also take a look through https://forum.netgate.com/category/19/dhcp-and-dns as there are other posts for 23.01.

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              thundergate @oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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              @oopohj5oo8shieze1ree

              Hi. Do have nearly the same issues.

              But for me I don't use and DNS forwarding or anything else. Just pfSense Unbound in combination with pfBlockerNG.

              Don't have any DNS fails at all. But looks like name resolution does hang after some amount of time. After that it looks like it is cached again and resolution works fine.
              But I do have this issues nearly every day.

              Something like a cleared unbound cache - what's not the case.

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                Gertjan @thundergate
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                @thundergate said in Frequent DNS timeouts:

                cleared unbound cache

                This can only happens when the resolver -unbound is told to stop, or restart, which is a controlled stop, to be started right afterwards.
                It can take several seconds to do so.
                The cache will be lost, but subsequent DNS resolving won't take long, typical is a fraction of a second.

                If unbound restarts happen very often, you can start to 'feel' the absence of the DNS sub system.

                So, ask your pfSense how often it restarts :

                grep "Restart" /var/log/resolver.log
                

                If it's just couple of times a day (lesser == better) : this is not your issue.

                No "help me" PM's please. Use the forum, the community will thank you.
                Edit : and where are the logs ??

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                  oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree @SteveITS
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                  @steveits After switching from forwarding to normal resolving I let things sit for a bit to see what would happen. It looks like unbound is restarting a lot:

                  Mar 15 08:01:04 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:08:33 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:12:20 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:12:45 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:13:39 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:29:45 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:34:44 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:35:41 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:42:09 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:42:34 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:49:47 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  Mar 15 08:52:13 netgate unbound[20724]: [20724:0] notice: Restart of unbound 1.17.1.
                  

                  Is there a known workaround for this?

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                    SteveITS Galactic Empire @oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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                    @oopohj5oo8shieze1ree The most common cause for restarts is having DHCP set to register DHCP leases in DNS, which triggers a restart after each and every DHCP lease. Options are to not do that, or to make the lease long enough that it renews in "days" not "hours." (renewal is 1/2 of the lease duration)

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                      oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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                      @steveits I believe I have that turned off (in Services -> DHCP Server -> Dynamic DNS ->
                      Enable registration of DHCP client names in DNS). However, it does appear to be registering DHCP host names with the DNS server regardless of this setting.

                      I've increased the lease time and will report back.

                      Thank you.

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                        johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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                        @oopohj5oo8shieze1ree unbound starting that often is going to be problematic that is for sure..

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                          thundergate @oopohj5Oo8shieZe1ree
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                          @oopohj5oo8shieze1ree

                          Same for me - a lot of unbound restarts and I actually don't know why?!

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                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @thundergate
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                            @thundergate well no restarts here

                            [23.01-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root: unbound-control -c /var/unbound/unbound.conf status
                            version: 1.17.1
                            verbosity: 1
                            threads: 4
                            modules: 2 [ validator iterator ]
                            uptime: 196553 seconds
                            options: control(ssl)
                            unbound (pid 56217) is running...
                            [23.01-RELEASE][admin@sg4860.local.lan]/root:
                            

                            196K seconds - 54 hours... Which was when I restarted pfsense to fix my swap not showing on widget..

                            If unbound is restarting - especially that often, your not going to have a good time.. You need to figure out why its restarting, registration of dhcp is typical reason you would see restarts like that..

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                              thundergate @johnpoz
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                              @johnpoz Hm. Ok.

                              Did you enable those settings within unbound?

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                                johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @thundergate
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                                @thundergate no - it has been a known issue for years that registering dhcp restarts unbound. I only register static mappings

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                                  SteveITS Galactic Empire @johnpoz
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                                  @johnpoz said in Frequent DNS timeouts:

                                  known issue for years that registering dhcp restarts unbound

                                  ref: https://redmine.pfsense.org/issues/5413

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                                    thundergate @johnpoz
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                                    @johnpoz 🤦 Oh no - That's stupid?!

                                    But I do need those DHCP leases to be seen to know what device does make all those requests.... Cannot stand with IP addresses only.

                                    Used OPNsense before - but didn't had those issues, if I remember correctly?

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                                      SteveITS Galactic Empire @thundergate
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                                      @thundergate Then until resolved, as I noted above make your lease time longer. It will restart on average every ( (lease duration/2) / # leases ).

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                                        thundergate @SteveITS
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                                        @steveits Will have to look into it.

                                        I'm quite disappointed. Never thought that such an error does exist within pfSense (and it does exist since a few years now).

                                        Are you all not interested in name resolution and do only handle IPs?

                                        For me unbound restarts every 2-5 minutes (doesn't look like it is the DHCP lease issue at all?!).

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                                          johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @thundergate
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                                          @thundergate said in Frequent DNS timeouts:

                                          re you all not interested in name resolution and do only handle IPs?

                                          All of the devices I have that I need to resolve or want to resolve via name I have reserved IP for ;)

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                                            johnpoz LAYER 8 Global Moderator @thundergate
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                                            @thundergate said in Frequent DNS timeouts:

                                            DHCP lease issue at all?!).

                                            well look in your dhcp log - does it match up or not.. My leases are 4 days long.. But 2 hour lease, with lots of devices yeah you could have a few an hour for sure..

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